Started Cowden Condensed Protocol slowly December 2010 ....reached 30 drops of Banderol and Samento on 1/7/11.
Continued taking these drops until 3/1/11.
Have not experienced much one way or another with these drops.... except I have suffered 2 or 3 head colds in the past two months but I'm not sure if drops had anything to do with this.
I was about to begin next phase of protocol in the 3rd month which is mora, and cumanda, but LLMD feels that if it has not made an impact on me by now that I should stop and focus on the Byron White formulas A-Bab and A-Bart.
Do you think this course of action may be premature?
Any possible reasons why drops may not have worked?
Have cumanda, mora, enula etc, been more effective for you than banderol and samento?
Thank you all! JJ
Posted by JJ29 (Member # 5288) on :
Anyone?
Posted by Lymeorsomething (Member # 16359) on :
I believe Sapi argues that it takes several months to cut through all the established lyme generations.
I've been on it a week and feel that it's doing something but too early to tell.
You've done 3 mos. Why not let the protocol play out just to see what happens?
Your call of course. Apart from head colds, did you notice any herxing?
Posted by lululymemom (Member # 26405) on :
I don't think there are many here that are doing the full protocol. Most are using just 2 or 3 at any given time.
My daughter is using Samento and Cumanda..waiting for the Banderol to come in. She had a massive herx due to starting with too high of dose, so she backed down and is starting over.. Added in the Cumanda and is noticing some improvement with her Bart symptoms.
I read that you can build a resistance to the Samento and you have to know how to use it to prevent that. If you have been on it for 3 months with no change, I would also wonder if you should continue.
Although, you getting head colds sounds like it's re-activating your immune system.
Posted by Lymeorsomething (Member # 16359) on :
You could also consider running it with abx...
Posted by Paul Mall (Member # 27581) on :
Get on the Byron white stuff
it's a 1:1 Herb to Alcohol ratio and packs a serious punch
you will herx in the first week.
there are 2 phases (1) the Challenge (2) the treatment
if you need a copy of the usage instruction let me know
I'm in love with A-babs I have stopped all Antibiotics because my liver could not take it.
Paul
Posted by richedie (Member # 14689) on :
1:1 Herb to Alcohol ratio! Seems like a lot! Can't they get by without any alcohol?
Posted by JJ29 (Member # 5288) on :
Thank you all for your helpful responses.
Lymeorsomething: I really did not have any herx to speak of except a little fatigue in the beginning and a little stomach discomfort when as I was ramping up to 30 drops....I would continue with it for the full 6 months but guess I should trust that my llmd knows best....I have already been on abx for several months prior to doing Cowden
Lulu, I'm glad to hear that not many are doing the full protocol....it's great that your daughter is having some good results with cumanda...makes me wonder if I should try it as well.....I'm wondering also if I built up a resistance to Samento....I started it slowly... I hope you're right that it may have reactivated my immune system and that's why I got the head colds but another reason for this could be that my liver is not in great shape....has been elevated on and off...how many drops were you on before you herxed?
Paul, I am on 4 drops of A-bab so far and just started 1/2 drop of A-bart... have not really noticed anything except that this head cold that I got 1 1/2 week ago (when I started A-bab btw)is resolving very slowly....llmd gave me a script for Allegra and this seems to be helping....I have the instructions for using A-bab and A-bart, thanks.....
Posted by lululymemom (Member # 26405) on :
JJ, she started with 7 drops of Samento and that was way too much.. waited 2 days and re-started with 2 drops up to 5 now... and doing pretty good. She is also up to 7 drops of cumanda and working up...
She started to get a cold about a week ago and immediately took echinacea and zinc.. It lasted 2 days and she's over it now. For her, I believe she is deficient in zinc because she always feels better when she takes it.
Posted by Paul Mall (Member # 27581) on :
@JJ take a look at this in case it is not what you have.
Phase 1: Challenge.
This is to show that you are using the correct forumula. Start with 1 drop in a small amount of water two times a day.
Hold the water in your Mouth 30-60 Seconds prior to swallowing.
Increase dose by 3 drops every 3 days. For example, day four increase to taking 4 drops two times a day and on day 7 increase to taking 7 Drops two times a day.
When you experience a Flare in your symptoms the challenge phase is over and we have shown that this is the correct formula to be using.
Phase 2: Treatment.
After your symptoms flare, Decrease the dose to 1 drop twice a day.
Remain at this does until you no longer feel any symptoms are being flared.
Then increase the dose by 2 drops.
If you do not experience any symptom flares in 3 days, You may continue to increase by 2 drops every 3 days.
If you experience any mild symptom flares, stay at that dose until symptoms improve.
If your symptoms are signifigant, decrease your dose by 1-2 drops, or more if needed , until your are not experiencing any symptom flares.
Then you can start adding more drops.
Maximum Dose is 20 drops two times a day.
Working up to the maximum dose may take several weeks to months.
Please remember you should not be experiencing any signifigant system flares on this treatment.
If you are, Your should decrease the dose.
(Shake Well)
Posted by tclimb (Member # 29508) on :
this is interesting, the original protocol and others states to rotate banderol & samento every 12 days??? I thought how was I going to get up to 20 drops if I keep dropping back?
Posted by tclimb (Member # 29508) on :
btw, I began banderol, samento with burbur for detox last summer. no fast way...will herx badly! good results!
my brain is healing!
Posted by tclimb (Member # 29508) on :
Paul, thanks for posting the Byron white dosing instructions for A-bab and A-bart...the instructions I have are a little different....they basically state to increase the number of drops by 1 2xday until you reach 15 drops 2xday.