I've never heard of anyone failing rife for lyme and but I'm worried I am failing. I failed on abx too.
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
What kind of machine do you have? What's your protocol?
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
Some people do not get the positive results others do. I do not know why, but often they are as you are, and do not seem to get better on any given protocol.
The best thing to do is to go over how you are treating with what frequencies, and try to ferret out the problem.
I had a great deal of problems getting rid of swelling in my wife's ankles. I treated fifty different ways using various Lyme frequencies.
It turned out it was Bart, so the problem was not using the right treatment to begin with.
There are other pathogens that can confuse the issue also.
If you want, we can try to methodically go one by one frequency and see which, if any has any positive effect, and work from there.
It is not easy, but most anything can be figured out given time and patience.
Dan
Posted by bcb1200 (Member # 25745) on :
I know the famous Dr. H has stated that he never sees progress with Rife. Only herxing.
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
Rife mobilizes many neurotoxins, including toxic metals, all other microorganisms that may be present caused by the die-off. Unless you deal with the removal of neurotoxins, many are simply recirculated and reabsorbed in other body compartments to later surface again causing renewed problems.
It takes more than the kill - then it needs a lot of cleaning up and that is a learning process that needs to be done right.
That was my brief experience - now many years ago.
Take care.
Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
MetallicBlue failed on it.
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
I think there are reasons such as those already mentioned that some people do not get better using frequency treatments.
It seems that some people simply do not easily get rid of toxic material from Lyme and maybe even co-infections. They can kill the Lyme any number of ways, but it does not lead to improvement, or at least it does not come easily or fast.
I have not seen that in the treatment of my wife, or at least it was only a problem very early on when the infection was at its worst.
Once she reached a certain point, the improvement was quite fast.
In my own case of treating Crohn's Disease, I have only made it worse so far, with one exception. I have almost eliminated my Psoriasis which is on the surface of my leg, and probably very easy to kill the pathogen involved because of the location.
Since I am working with a Pathogen that has never been treated this way before, and no known killing frequency has been identified yet, I expect it will not be very easy to figure out if it can be killed at all, or if I can improve using the method.
It certainly is possible that other infections are involved also. As you can see there are many variables we just do not know at this time, and it I difficult to nail them all down.
When it comes to Lyme the treatment that works well for the individual still rests on the particular method that you respond well to.
That may be antibiotics, it may be herbs, MMS, Salt-C or frequencies.
It still comes down to what works well for the person in particular. I have not seen that part change since I have been working with this disease. As a matter of fact, this is not even unusual for some other diseases. It always comes own to trial and error in the end.
Dan
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
Metallic Blue hasn't tried the Doug coil yet. Is he still going to?
Posted by mati (Member # 15233) on :
At one time, I was too sensitive to take most anything even herbs but that changed once I gave up- gluten and dairy products, but it was the gluten which was the most important. A lot of people who are sick should not be eating gluten. Some try it for a while and say it did not help, I think MB said this, but it takes time and then it must be done thoroughly and it is in all sorts of things including shampoo. It takes at least 6 months to get the diet right.
As GiGi said, detoxification is the key and also I would add, supporting all the bodily systems.
I am using a very low powered rife, one of the BioWave devices and I have perservered with it but have also stuck to my diet, supported my endo system with NaturThroid and Pregnenolone, Aswegandha and Rhodelia (cycling)used superfoods like dried barley grass, chia seeds and now blackcurrants, and acai, avoided caffeine and alcohol, and have relaxed about having Lyme or even getting rid of it and now just think I am managing it, which has taken off that `fighting` spirit which can obly harm the adrenals.
I use my device for other things and have been successful with infections like salmonella.
I would never depend on any one thing to fight this disease. It needs a holistic view.
I think I am slowly improving but I am just getting on with life and not thinking of it too much. I can do twice as much asd I couLd last yeaR so defnitely improvements. I think that MB would do beeter if he could just take it easier and trust his body more.
Posted by sickpuppy (Member # 23846) on :
My diet is impeccable--sugar, gluten, caffeine, and alcohol free--and has been a long time. And I detox: Chlorella, burbur, parsley.
I think my Bartonella is 'on top' and that perhaps that's the problem. I'm not sure rife works on that. Does it, really?
I just really wanted to find out if others failed the rife since I'd only ever heard success stories.
I'm trying to figure out how long to wait before switching gears again. I've lost a lot of time giving things time to work when they were not working.
Thank you for your responses.
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
I failed using an EMEM3D2 machine. There are a lot of reasons this may have failed. It doesn't mean anything in the scheme of things for other people. Each machine is different, each person is different.
I'll try the Doug Coil once my machine is built but I've already decided to move onto IV antibiotics now. I feel the urgency of moving onward, even with high risk.
I already own the amp and frequency generator, so when the rest of it comes, it'll be ready.
Posted by AZURE WISH (Member # 804) on :
sick puppy - it might depend what rife machine you have if it will treat bartonella. i am fortunate enough not to have that bug but someone told me that she is treating bart with her doug coil.
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
SickPuppy--- what frequencies did you use for bart and how long and how often? What kind of machine do you have?
Posted by sickpuppy (Member # 23846) on :
I have a GB4000. I got a book of autochannels with it. I do all the ones for bart, cat scratch, ricketsia, etc etc.
I'm in really bad shape today and was yesterday. Like, disease eating at me bad shape. It doen'st feel like herx. I feel like something's not right compared to the range of how things are 'supposed' t go for people.
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
All I use for Bart is one frequency 39936 Hz.
Run it for five or ten minutes a day for a while and see how it works for you. Skip days if it is too much to handle.
Let us know how it works. It will take a while for it to clear out substantially, but it has worked very well for us.
I also sweep this same frequency up and down 5 Hz on occasion.
Dan
Posted by sickpuppy (Member # 23846) on :
Dan, I'm worried I've been doing too much even though I'm working with someone with lots of experience with it. I HAVE to do something this coming SAturday so this is not a good week to experiment in a way that might make things even worse.
I don't know what to do.
Posted by Toppers (Member # 20083) on :
I tried rife all winter long with a GB-4000, all it did was allow bart to get even more embedded. Used DNA frequencies and all the frequencies listed here.
Now I'm back on antibiotics.
That sucked.
Posted by sickpuppy (Member # 23846) on :
Toppers, can you explain more: "all it did was allow bart to get even more embedded."
How so? Did someone say so?
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
I use the frequencies in the manual and the CAFL list, plus others. The others that i use, that do work for me, are:
24288 34390
It works great for me! What's going on, sickpupp?
What are your symptoms?
Posted by sickpuppy (Member # 23846) on :
My foot pain has gotten worse and worse, like can't touch the bed worse. My legs have the general soreness that is sickening and somehow that same feeling extends into my brain making me feel wonky--which is an unstable, sort of vertigo, scarey, trippy sort of feeling.
If I walk for a bit or stand for too long it really gets SO bad, like gasping in pain mostly from the legs but also head wonky and irritable. But today I didn't do much and it flared this afternoon anyway but not as badly as when I do more stuff.
I'm afraid to rife MORE for fear that this stuff is herx (even though I'm not sure) and that I'll make it worse.
It's a weird pain that is urgent and makes me feel like I need to lie down on the ground no matter where I am. Like I'm not gonna 'make it' to where ever I need to get to before I can lie down.
When I do lie down it can take hours and hours for a sense of recovery. Like a post exertional malaise. I can feel like I've been standing on a street corner for 24 hours even though I've been lying down for an hour. I don't feel like I'm lying down.
When I get caught out alone with this, like in the city on public transport, it makes me feel panicy.
Posted by nomoremuscles (Member # 9560) on :
Sickpuppy,
In my experience I have found that if I take a few days off doing a frequency and the symptoms get worse, then the problem is not a herx. It either means that it is a different bug emerging than what I am coiling for and I need to find a new frequency, or it means that I need to coil the frequency I am doing more often.
If coiling whatever bart freq you are doing gives some relief, then I would say that that would fall into the second category, and you would need to treat it more often. But this is a delicate balance. I have found that it is possible to irritate a nerve with die-off badly enough that the irritation remains longer than the herx, leaving you unable to treat and allowing the bug to quickly grow back. For that reason, I have learned to go up very SLOWLY. I am finally having some success coiling now, though I hate to comment as it could turn on me at any minute.
I have found that these co-infections are way way worse then the Lyme, nastier, more persistent, and way harder to wipe out. Or at least, so it seems ...
Good luck with it.
Posted by sickpuppy (Member # 23846) on :
You can say that again. Lyme is nothing compared to KING BART.
I don't know what to do and I don't know what's going on.
Posted by chaps (Member # 25286) on :
quote:Rife mobilizes many neurotoxins, including toxic metals, all other microorganisms that may be present caused by the die-off. Unless you deal with the removal of neurotoxins, many are simply recirculated and reabsorbed in other body compartments to later surface again causing renewed problems.
If the bugs being killed contain the metals and neurotoxins, then isn't that going to happen REGARDLESS of the method used to kill them?
Seems to me that antibiotics would do the same thing, but in addition, the antibiotics are toxins themselves. Plus they are acid forming in the body, and in an acid environment, disease thrives.
I don't see why rife should be singled out in this case, since the same thing would happen with any other treatment.
Being able to detox is KEY no matter what you're doing.
Sad part is, that medical doctors bombard you with antibiotics and don't even mention the word detox. The don't even look to see what your heavy metal exposure is before starting treatment.
And then they have the nerve to criticize Rife treatments?
When rife treatment fails, it's really unfair to blame the rifing in general. There are many variables, like the strength of the machine, the particulars of the patient's coinfection profile, the frequencies they use, the patience of the patient, and how they administer the treatment and whether they're addressing detox or not.
Since rifing is not supported by the medical community, there is little information on best practices available and most people are flying blind and comparing notes. Even so, there are a lot of people who have success with it.
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
You're desperate, so you could try rubbing your feet with Farah's essential oils.
I had good luck rubbing my ribs with the oils and chasing out the Babesia or Lyme. My ribs were getting sorer and sorer for 10 days, finally i couldn't stand it and rubbed the oils. The pathogen vamoosed fast!
You can search on Farah's old posts here. I forget what her particular blend is.
Her principle is, start with a carrier oil, such as olive oil. Then add 20-25% essential oils (that's the strength she recommends for lyme).
This is for skin rubbing,** NOT FOR INTERNAL.** (Except she did take a bit internally, i forget in what strenghts, just a very few drops with other food i think.)
I used 1/2 or 1 tsp olive oil, then added drops of 5 kinds of essential oils to total 20 or 25%---- thyme oil (which is the STRONGEST,*** be careful***), peppermint (lyme hates peppermint), eucalyptus, citronella, and lemon.
Farah chooses a different blend.
I used to put geranium essential oil on my toenail fungus, but it can make a mess.
If you've got an accesssible area like feet, try the oils, see if it helps.
Polly Polygonum
Posted by sickpuppy (Member # 23846) on :
Yes, I use jojoba oil as the carrier with clove bud oil on my feet. It helps but I can't do that anywhere but at home in bed. I'm freaking out because I have a long (for me) trip to go do something I have to do by myself and I'm concerned the rug will be pulled out.
I'll try those other oils Polly. But there's nothing I can do about the weird malaise/profound fatigue/panic thing.
My exhusband would say, "take a pill." Well, I don't know what pill to take for such a weird, indescribable and multifaceted symptom. You can't take anything that'll 'give you energy' cause that'll make the panic trippy feeling worse, pain meds will make you sleepy exhausted, and most psychopharms have the opposite effect on me.
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
Herbals helped fatigue, for me. Samento, Polygonum cuspidatum (Japanese Knotweed), Teasel, Sarsaparilla, rhodiola, nattokinase (not an herbal exactly), lifted 2 years of fatigue. Abx alone gave me fatigue; but when i started adding herbals, the fatigue left. (I'm mad at my LLMD for letting me waste all that time being too tired to work without offering me herbals.)
You are taking parsley, burbur, and chlorella for detox. Selma took a whole lot more, like everything she heard of, like bentonite clay, zeolites, Rechtsregulat, etc.,---- because she needed them; she didn't detox well naturally; and there's also modified citrus pectin, lemon juice, alpha-lipoic acid, cilantro, and a lot of other things.
The 3 things you take for detox wouldn't remove heavy metals very well, i think?
Were you tested for heavy metals?
Polly Polygonum
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
Were you treated with abx for lyme, babesia, and bartonella? You said you failed abx. Did you get any reaction at all or any improvement?
Some of those drugs are toxic.
Have you been rifing for lyme, babs, and bart? Did you get any reaction at all or any improvement?
This one symptom you describe, fatigue, panic, malaise, feet,----- did you or do you have any other symptoms? I should look up your case history, sorry.
Polly Polygonum
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
Rhodiola Rhodesia works for my brother, and my son.
One has fatigue and the other has fatigue and anxiety. Both use it to help, but they do not have Lyme.
It is worth a try.
Dan
Posted by sickpuppy (Member # 23846) on :
Polly, I have lyme, babs, and bart and have treated all with abx and rife. I have reactions/herxes to treatments but never get the improvemnt part. Also, Just got bloodwork back today. Things have gotten worse than ever before. CD57 down to 12 and my IgG subclasses reflecting my immune deficiency down lower too. Not what I had hoped for. And my EBV is still active--2.5 years, that I know of, of mono!
And I was tested for heavy metals when this whole mess unraveled about 2 years ago. I had high arsenic. It went down to 'normal' in several months. Haven't had metals checked lately.
I know everyone says detox, but to be honest it doesn't seem to make a difference. I take ALA and epsom salt baths. Have trie lemon water. No matter how much I do it's never enough.
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
There's an anti-viral herb, LOMATIUM, Lomatium dissectum. You could try it, it worked for me. I took extract drops that i ordered from the Internet.
Everyone does say Detox, Detox, Detox. MORE detox.You need to hit it with everything you've heard of, as Selma did. She didn't stop halfway, she detoxed to the max, because she had to. Detoxing was a major issue for her.
I'm sorry nothing works, that would be very discouraging!
You could try a PE-1 to see if it gives your body the energy to fight back. It's photon therapy. It gives me energy. It costs about $1200, used together with homeopathic nosodes.
And run rife dental frequencies on your teeth! There are sets for Gingivitis, Dental, Dental Foci, Pyorrhea, Toothache, etc. I think they work on me.
---Polly Polygonum
Posted by sickpuppy (Member # 23846) on :
Who is Selma?
Posted by AZURE WISH (Member # 804) on :
quote:Originally posted by sickpuppy: Polly, I have lyme, babs, and bart and have treated all with abx and rife. I have reactions/herxes to treatments but never get the improvemnt part. Also, Just got bloodwork back today. Things have gotten worse than ever before. CD57 down to 12 and my IgG subclasses reflecting my immune deficiency down lower too. Not what I had hoped for. And my EBV is still active--2.5 years, that I know of, of mono!
And I was tested for heavy metals when this whole mess unraveled about 2 years ago. I had high arsenic. It went down to 'normal' in several months. Haven't had metals checked lately.
I know everyone says detox, but to be honest it doesn't seem to make a difference. I take ALA and epsom salt baths. Have trie lemon water. No matter how much I do it's never enough.
If treatment only makes you worse (especailly over very long periods of time), i hope you have a dr that is willing to look at other causes issues other than tbds.
does your detox stuff make you better the same or worse?
Posted by sickpuppy (Member # 23846) on :
Axure wish, like what? I've been tested for everything except XMRV. I'm going for a head MRI to see if there're lessions. What else is there? Maybe I'm just slow. Maybe it's gonna take me 10 years to get better.
Posted by sickpuppy (Member # 23846) on :
Thanks everyone for trying to help me. Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
Rhodiola is good advice. Calms the nervous system.
When I travel I take something called Adrenal Calm by Apex Energetics.
You should research the ingredients or consider using the product. It's amazing.
Bart and Lyme tend to cause hyperactive CNSs. And the adrenals get worn down causing wired n tired panicky feeling
Posted by sickpuppy (Member # 23846) on :
I have historically had a problem with 'calming' things like 5HTP and melatonin. They do the opposite and it's very bad. I'll check it out canefan.
Posted by sickpuppy (Member # 23846) on :
So Adrenal Calm by Apex Energetics is a cream? That's what i see. is that right?
Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
Yes it's a cream. Just rub a little bit on back of knee or inside of elbow.
It's a cream because adrenal fatigue patients tend to have malabsorption.
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