I was told by someone seeing Dr. W that he has lowered what he charges for the Bionic machine.
Can anyone confirm this and tell me what the new price is?
Thanks, Joey
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Dr. W no longer sells the Bionic 880, so if the price is lower, it must be lower from HB directly.
There was a rumor that there might be a machine for a lower price, but I'm not sure if it's the same one. I think 17 Hens knows.
Posted by nonna05 (Member # 33557) on :
I had know idea it was available here. I thought this was something you had to go to Germany for....Or is this two different things I'm mixing up?? Nonna
Posted by nonna05 (Member # 33557) on :
I had know idea it was available here. I thought this was something you had to go to Germany for....Or is this two different things I'm mixing up?? Nonna
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
It's not available here .... but m0joey is trying to sell one.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Someone confirmed with me that the lowest HB was able to sell it for is 6000 euros still.
Perhaps Dr. W is now selling his own machine?
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Not yet. I know someone over there now, and it's not available yet. There was a falling out between him and HB, so shortly after we were there, he stopped selling them.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
Thanks six!
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
As an aside: It is illegal in Germany to sell the Bionic 880 to anyone but licensed professionals. That is what I was told when I purchased our machine. They sold it to us anyhow, but when I wanted to have it shipped here, it was turned back by the FDA. The FDA stopped the shipment. They were planning to come out with a less powerful machine which was legal for sale to anyone. I am not sure that they ever produced such a machine.
[ 10-31-2011, 07:36 PM: Message edited by: GiGi ]
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
They must not enforce it, then, because Bionic 880's are being sold even now.
Posted by 17hens (Member # 23747) on :
In Europe, the Bionic 880 can only be sold to licensed professionals but it is allowed (legal) to be sold to individuals (who are not doctors) outside of Europe.
The FDA likely stopped a shipment because the Bionic does not yet have FDA approval. The machine must be carried back with you.
Then it is legal (no problem to carry in) as you have bought it for your own personal use and it is your own personal possession.
They did produce a less powerful machine, the Bionic Home. I believe it is for personal use in Europe.
It has the same frequencies as the Bionic 880 but only 20% of the performance of the Bionic 880.
It is being tested in the german market now. It is not strong enough to treat lyme disease though. http://www.bionic-home.de/ Posted by 17hens (Member # 23747) on :
quote:Originally posted by 17hens: In Europe, the Bionic 880 can only be sold to licensed professionals but it is allowed (legal) to be sold to individuals (who are not doctors) outside of Europe.
Instead of "outside of Europe," I should say "who do not live in Europe."
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
M0joey - why do you want to sell it?
Posted by jlp38 (Member # 27221) on :
I think he's just moving on to other (expensive) treatments.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
quote:Originally posted by Tammy N.: M0joey - why do you want to sell it?
He has said on other threads that he needs the money for a treatment he wants to try for his retroviruses .... it has worked on Lyme for him. If I remembered what thread, I'd link it instead of summarizing it here.
Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
It now runs ~8,000 USD. They were at the ILADS event as an exhibitor.
Posted by m0joey (Member # 13494) on :
I'm trying to fund a clinical trial that will cost at least 7k a year. The lyme and other secondary infections are no longer an issue.
Posted by Sam from CA (Member # 28722) on :
Who is HB?
Sam
Posted by horsefly (Member # 34232) on :
My friend was trying to sell her neurofeedback machine here a while ago and her post was removed immediately. Why is this post being allowed? Could someone clarify? Thanks.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
The above link has the terms of use. m0Joey didn't come on trying to sell his Bionic, he had questions about how much it was being sold for. That is entirely different than someone trying to sell and using Lymenet as advertising.
Posted by 17hens (Member # 23747) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sam from CA: Who is HB?
Sam
H.B. is the manufacturer of the Bionic 880. See bottom under "Production and selling" http://www.biophoton.de/english.html Posted by koo (Member # 30462) on :
Is there anywhere in the USA to get Bionic 880 treatment?
If one has to go to Germany for treatment, how long do you need to stay there? How do you feel while receiving treatment? Can you play the part of tourist while there or is the treatment too consuming?
I've been thinking about doing this since I plateaued with ABX a while ago.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
I don't know of anyone doing the full treatment here, though I've heard of a doctor who owns one.
I stayed in Germany for three weeks. It's an intense treatment and it really depends on how bad off you are when you start. I was able to do some sight seeing on good days. Some days I spent resting, walking, and eating.
Posted by GraceT (Member # 16558) on :
I still have mine, but never use it anymore.
[I used to use it, then see a Doc. in Scottsdale for the IV to manage the die-off.}
It worked to kill off the BB in my body, yet I still use Classic Homeopathy to make sure.
My machine collects dust.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Grace, I no longer need mine either .... though I'd never part with it .... I hope I never need it, but in case I do ....
I use it for homeopathics once in a while.
Posted by Sam from CA (Member # 28722) on :
Thanks, 17 Hens. I looked at the site. It sounds like you all had the treatment and then bought the machine. If you don't mind my asking, what did the machine run? And how badly did you have Lyme? I can't do without I.v. Antibiotics, but can somewhat function when I am treating with them. Were you that sick or were you on oral antibiotics? I know you can't be on anything when you go for treatment. Sam
Posted by lymeboy (Member # 24769) on :
I need to stay away from these darn threads because I almost get talked into getting this treatment every time. Sounds great, but right now I don't even have 5 grand let alone 10- 20.
Is there a place in the U.S. that does this TX? Can you do it totally on your own? Or do you have to start with a pro and Treat periodically with him?
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Some are doing it with the PE1 without a doctor's help.
Posted by Sam from CA (Member # 28722) on :
Thanks, 17 Hens. I looked at the site. It sounds like you all had the treatment and then bought the machine. If you don't mind my asking, what did the machine run? And how badly did you have Lyme? I can't do without I.v. Antibiotics, but can somewhat function when I am treating with them. Were you that sick or were you on oral antibiotics? I know you can't be on anything when you go for treatment. Sam
Posted by 17hens (Member # 23747) on :
quote:Originally posted by lymeboy: Can you do it totally on your own? Or do you have to start with a pro and Treat periodically with him?
My daughter, husband and brother have done it totally on their own and are doing well. The protocol instructions are very easy to follow.
Posted by 17hens (Member # 23747) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sam from CA: Thanks, 17 Hens. I looked at the site. It sounds like you all had the treatment and then bought the machine. If you don't mind my asking, what did the machine run? And how badly did you have Lyme? I can't do without I.v. Antibiotics, but can somewhat function when I am treating with them. Were you that sick or were you on oral antibiotics? I know you can't be on anything when you go for treatment. Sam
The Bionic runs 6400 Euro so check the exchange rate on that. It'll be $8000+. Sounded like a lot to me until I figured that for my family of 4, we spent $1200+ a year on doctors and meds and supps. Oh my.
I treated with abx for 16 months until my husband lost his job and we lost our health insurance. By then, I was well enough to make the trip.
There was another American there when I was there who was so ill, her doctor had given her about 8 weeks to live. She dragged herself over and improved GREATLY. I know what you're saying, but maybe we can never be too ill to get better? Know what I mean?
Posted by koo (Member # 30462) on :
So what does Dr. W treat with now if not the Bionic 880? I was trying to look for contact info for him online and could not find anything. I want to see what this all entails.
Sixgoofykid, you say some people just buy the PE1 and treat on their own with that?
17hens, you are saying your daughter, husband, and brother have treated themselves with the Bionic 880? Do you think the trip to Germany is necessary?
That's a huge price difference between the Bionic and PE1. Are outcomes identical?
Posted by JCarlhelp (Member # 15957) on :
It may be old but I thought I saw that Connie Strahem was selling hers on her facebook site.
Posted by 17hens (Member # 23747) on :
Koo,
They did not need the trip to Germany to get rid of lyme, etc. They were not sick-sick, if you know what I mean. It's good to have a doctor overseeing things and a strong detox is very beneficial if you are sick-sick, I'm sure.
There is a "huge" price difference between the 2 machines. The Bionic was tested for 10 years on a few thousand people with a 90+% success rate. It has a written protocol to treat lyme & bacteria &virus and protocols to treat 85+ other ailments.
It also balances hormones and that's a biggy for this lyme family.
We use our machine a lot actually. For cuts, colds, sore throats, sprained ankles, pain, acne, depression, lots of things.
It was worth every cent for my family and me. I'm like Six - I'll never part with mine.
Posted by willbeatthis (Member # 31111) on :
Koo: Dr. W to my knowledge uses his own machine now though patients like Hens have continued in the states with the Bionic as I plan to do.
I'll chime in with Hens here My current treatment protocol is $3000 out of pocket a month ($36,000 a year). So though a trip to Germany sounds like a luxury, for me, it could potentially put an end to my having to work two positions to pay for treatment alone etc. That is how I am looking at it.
I also do not feel comfortable continuing to put this amount of medication in my system on a daily basis for mainly the long-term repercussions, God willing, I won't have any for what I have done thus far. Every time they pull me, with the exception of levaquin, I have relapsed. So, I am at a very similar place that Six described before she left.
The science makes sense to me... and I have witnessed energy medicine myself with my holistic chiro. that I began seeing about 5 mos ago and that is when I truly turned a big corner... I am just ready to be done.
If any of you have read Connie's book -- Insight's Into Lyme Disease Treatment, there are two wonderful chapters on this machine -- and practitioners in Germany that use them. Dr. W being one and K being another.
The support here is not of this world and I mean that honestly... Thanks to Hens and Six and those that have gone before me, I am counting the days. I am mentally trying to get ready as well... as Dr. W believes the mind is an important part of this and that we have to be able to "let go" of our illness... Boy am I ready...
I too wanted the track record of the Bionic so that is the way I am going as well along with the ability to treat many other things like EBV which I have among many other soup ingredients
I have to thank Hens and Six again, as well as Linky123, DesperationIn, Brussels, Kimmie, and Steph and Ayden Pup... All of you have been lights for me... And thank you for being there... Blessings...
Posted by linky123 (Member # 19974) on :
Willbeatthis,
Keep us posted on your progress! Posted by anuta (Member # 22646) on :
I guess it is hard to compare the Bionic 880 and PE-1 , since nobody did head tio head study.
There are some people who got better with Bionic, like Six and 17Hens and there are others who got better with PE-1 like Brussels and Steph and Ayden Pup.
I think Brussels posted before on the compatibility of the PE-1. Whoever is interested can just search old postes.
In addition,you can ask Larry to custom make you PE-1 using the frequency that Dr.W. is using with Bionic. Thas what I'm planning to use after my return from Germany.
Posted by koo (Member # 30462) on :
I e-mailed Biophoton yesterday evening and already had a response this AM. I inquired regarding therapists in Germany using the Bionic 880 as well as cost......
"If you prefer the south like Bavaria we mark some therapists we rearly can recommend. We stpped with dr. Wl because of his Claims for more and more money as commission from our US customers.
But the therapists on the list have been specially trained for treatment of Lyme diseases and co-infections. If you do not stay so long to finish the treatment (over 4-6 weeks) than we recommend to take a Bionic 880 and the nosodes with home.
The Bionic 880 will cost EUR 6,750.00 I will come to bring the Bionic 880 to you and to train you.
Your therapist will arrange on request accommodation for you. Cost of treatment we are not able to inform you because every therapist quote the treatment differend.
I hope you are well informed and I am looking forward to hear from you again.
Mit freundlichen Gr��en / With best regards
Heinrich Buschk�hl
Gesch�ftsf�hrer / Managing Director"
There were also several links with information, but I did not see a link with therapists' names. I would hate to zero in on a region as I would prefer to choose someone with successful outcomes. Can you tell I worked in healthcare marketing? All about outcomes!
** edited to remove doctor's name **
[ 03-20-2012, 03:21 PM: Message edited by: sixgoofykids ]
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Yes, I had heard that Dr. W and HB had a falling out, but I don't know the whole story. HB does go to the guesthouse where I stayed to deliver the Bionic.
Dr. W's machine has the frequencies that Dr. W wants to work with. Falling outs in business happen, I wouldn't let that sway my decision on whether to see Dr. W or not. Some buy the Bionic before they come home, others get a PE1. At the time I went, the standard time in Germany was three weeks.
Posted by lymeboy (Member # 24769) on :
The PE-1 is so much cheaper than the Bionic 880. What would someone gain by spending all of that extra $ on the Bionic? Is it a waste to get the PE-1?
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
The main difference, IMO, is that there is a known protocol for the Bionic 880. That is why I got it. I was one of the first to go over, so the PE1 was a new idea. I wanted to go with the treatment that had a known protocol.
Posted by jackie81 (Member # 27031) on :
Could someone PLEASE give me some contact info for this Dr. W? I tried looking but couldnt find anything.
Also, from what Iam reading I am understanding that this treats co-infections too correct?
At this point, Iam willing to try anything
Posted by anuta (Member # 22646) on :
jackie81 PM sent
Posted by koo (Member # 30462) on :
Jackie, I have sent you a lengthy PM.
Posted by jackie81 (Member # 27031) on :
Thank you both of you!!!
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Hey, if you would like to spend bits of money and try yourself, buy the PE1 and try!!
Or even the other cheaper option, what was the name.... about 300 us dollars. I forgot the name (too hungry now!!). You get the nosodes for a couple of dollars at Desbio and try with that 300 us dollar machine.
If you feel it helps, either invest in the PE1 or go to Germany or get the Bionic!!!
It is NOT that complicated and almost risk free! People tried that cheaper version (sota Lightworks, that was it...) and they do say it worked. do a search here in LN, that was about mid-2008.
Some Sota people then bought the PE1 after and tried both and said, the cheaper Sota Lightworks also worked to kill Bb, but it was only 10% OF THE POTENCY of the PE1.
And, if I may say, Larry is building an adaptation to the PE that will contain ALL frequencies run by the Bionic, and still MANY MANY MORE!!!
So it is not the money that stops, it is more the gut (can you do it all by yourself?). What about if you herx like hell and can't deal with toxins? Etc... Is it really Bb my main problem or something else?
These are the main problems, not much the money, in my opinion.
After the photons, we NEVER shopped for Buhner herbs, Cowden herbs, not even dr. K's herbs. I only shop for CLEANSERS here and then, but I even don't have a separate budget for that.
So please, don't mention the money issue here. It is not the main thing that may stop people to do this therapy, it is very inexpensive in comparison to anything else, even Buhner's herbs bought in bulk!!
My PE1 is never taking dust. I use it for loads of things too, specially for strains, burns, cuts, candida, colds...
What takes dust here is the KMT from dr. K, my Rife machine, the Hulda Clark zapper, other normal infrared lamps, my green laser and adaptation and all killer herbs.
What never gets dust are Sanum products and my PE1!! I would never give it away either, unless there's an upgrade!!!
[ 03-22-2012, 08:08 AM: Message edited by: Brussels ]
Posted by lymeboy (Member # 24769) on :
Brussels, I really appreciate this info. I am not sure if I understood what you meant by the money issue. I think that money is always an issue, no matter what you are using to treat. None of these items are cheap, and investing in one is somewhat of a risk.
That being said, I agree, in the big picture, that the PE1 is not a huge investment. I would really love to learn more about the PE-1 and Photon therapy. I know this thread kind of veered, so hopefully it would be ok if I spoke to you directly through PM?
Right now, I still believe in ABX. I have come quite far with them. But I am eyeing photon therapy for a year or two from now, in the event that I just can't get to remission. I really want to learn more about the PE1, and photon therapy.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
I had the same experience as Brussels. I was spending thousands per month on doctors, abx, and supplement, but since using photons, I take so few supplements that they fit into my grocery budget.
I think that's what she meant about it being economical. I spent more in a month for treatment than a PE1 cost.
Posted by willbeatthis (Member # 31111) on :
I second that Six... or third it Brussels. My treatment right now is $3000 a month out of pocket... The bionic and a trip to Germany is a BARGAIN! I can't wait! Thanks all for coming before me Posted by koo (Member # 30462) on :
Do you have to be off ABX a certain amount of time before photon therapy?
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
quote:Originally posted by koo: Do you have to be off ABX a certain amount of time before photon therapy?
Two weeks.
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
Dr. W's office usually has someone who speaks English well. You might call them.
I think Dr. W may use a different type of photon machine now than the bionic. He was developing one for cancer treatment, but I am not sure about that.
The cost of the bionic has skyrocketed since I bought one 9 years ago. Check into other photon machines.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Hiker, this is an old thread that a spammer brought up. I deleted the spam post. I only mention is because people are going to wonder why you brought it up.
What does the Bionic currently sell for?
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Hi Six... I think here in Germany, the Bionic is used for all sorts of ailments, like addiction, pain, depression...
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
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My current treatment protocol is $3000 out of pocket a month ($36,000 a year). So though a trip to Germany sounds like a luxury, for me, it could potentially put an end to my having to work two positions to pay for treatment alone etc. That is how I am looking at it. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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