Friend gave my son 3 packets of Ramen noodles and he ate them all.
help
Posted by WhitneyS (Member # 25666) on :
ehhh i don't think you can get it out any quicker than anything else. I would wait for bis digestion to get it out and maybe do some binders.
Posted by 2roads (Member # 4409) on :
I just gave him 3 chlorella tablets-
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- MAGNESIUM will help balance MSG.
Not too much magnesium at once, though, as it- with the sodium from the MSG can be too hard on kidneys. Magnesium is always best in divided doses throughout the day. If you have any topical magnesium that would be good, too.
WATER. He will need lots of water. Water may also help prevent a headache tomorrow.
Good food, herb tea, time, rest, non-stimulating atmosphere.
Fish Oil, too.
AVOID any and all supplements that are stimulating in nature for the next day or two.
CALMING supplements can help but you don't want to load up his body with too much of anything, though.
A homeopathic intended to calm and settle may be good if you have that at home. But, I would not give any alcohol based homeoopathic drops (unless in lots of water) but, rather, pellets for sublingual use.
Rescue Remedy drops on the wrist.
The music of Mozart can help calm overexcited brain waves. So can ambient music.
Avoid TV, if possible - as it's 9:30, he's probably in bed by now though. A foot rub if he's still awake.
You might see what the expert on excito-toxins has to say about remedies:
Search both Google & YouTube for:
MSG+remedy, Russell+Blaylock
------------ If your son has been on a gluten-free diet, he may crave wheat products for a couple weeks now but that will fade again. The gluten effects can also span several days.
Patience and just good food, calm environment and it will likely balance out. -
Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
Keebler,
Transdermal Magnesium has no effect on kidneys, right?
Posted by Buster (Member # 19472) on :
It will works its way out, no big deal.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- canefan,
Everything we put in or onto our body has to be processed and filtered out, somehow.
I'm not an expert on Transdermal Magnesium but my impression is that it can be much easier on the kidneys, it can work much faster with less.
A normal dose of magnesium is usually fine for most, but, with 3 packets of Ramen, the sodium content is likely high. So I was thinking that oral magnesium might be too much to reach the desired effect.
Just my thoughts. I am not a medical person of any type. -
Posted by 2roads (Member # 4409) on :
Thanks for everyones support.
I gave him three chlorella tablets, a lot of water, a clay foot bath, and a liver pack.
Probably could've avoided the pack, but it was the night for it.
He urinated a bunch. Not sure what to make of that. His kidneys and his liver are weak.
ugh
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- Based upon values for adults, one package of Ramen noodles contains about 40% of the daily allotment of sodium. Three would sent him way over the top for his sodium intake for the day, especially depending upon his size.
The kind of salts used are not good sea salt. MSG is a salt, too.
This whole week his kidneys may be working hard to catch up. Good thing the flow is going. -
Posted by 2roads (Member # 4409) on :
Thanks Keebler. Any suggestions to lighten the kidney load this week?
I guess we should avoid salt?
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- Professional advice about this is best.
Dehydration can occur after salt overdose, so be sure he has minerals and electrolytes from good fresh foods.
I would not avoid salt, per se, but today, at least, I'd sure keep it at the low to mid range for his age, size. Also, I assume that you got rid of the regular table salt long ago and use only sea salt in cooking.
I would not avoid sea salt (in the right amount) but would totally avoid any packaged foods that contain sodium. Always, actually.
He will need the sea salt & natural salt in fresh foods to help correct the imbalance.
As you say his kidneys are weak. I'm not sure exactly what that means. If he has kidney dysfunction, you really need professional advice. -
[ 02-06-2012, 01:39 PM: Message edited by: Keebler ]
Posted by 2roads (Member # 4409) on :
Thanks Keebler.
His kidney function tests were normal, except the BUN?Creatinine ratio was a point high.
But, both numbers in and of themselves were okay.
But, his urine has been clear a lot, and that is just not normal for him. So, we are looking more into it.
ugh
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- Things should return to normal soon but this is good information to have on hand as so many of the packaged "foods" are so high in the bad kind of salts. And, because they are highly addictive, one can come close to salt poisoning if not careful.
Bet your friend will be more careful in the future. Bet they have no clue just how bad Ramen can be. It's a terrible thing for anyone to eat for many reasons.
Not just about the MSG, but the noodles are first fried before packaging. Very bad for the heart. And that's not all. -
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- This author is expert in this area. He will have details on what can BALANCE the effects: -------------------
"Natural flavors" are even added to some herb teas, almond milk, lip balm, etc.
Learn more about "natural flavors" - the unnatural processing they go through - and just some of the possible links to ill effects are discussed here: -------
[ 02-07-2012, 12:03 PM: Message edited by: Keebler ]
Posted by WhitneyS (Member # 25666) on :
PS- What a good Mom, so concerned and on top of it! One lucky little boy :-)
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- Yeah, exactly. It's so hard when others give kids stuff that everyone just takes for granted.
Hope you find some REMEDIES at those Blaylock links.
Also hope the links help (to share) when you tell your friends some of the things to avoid when they mind your son again. It's easier that way for them to get the overall picture. -
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
Helpful Remedies or Ways to Diminish (MSG reaction):
CarolH writes near the top of this bulletin board:
Taurine and vitamin B6 definitely do help many people. Taurine is an amino acid which cancels the effects of MSG. An MSG reaction mimics a taurine deficiency.
MSG probably interferes with the body's ability to make taurine from cysteine, because glutamate hinders cysteine metabolism. Taurine taken will solve this problem.
As for dealing with the excess glutamate still present - Vitamin B6 is used by the body to turn MSG into a substance called GABA which also has the opposite effect of MSG.
(GABA by itself though, is another story... it is addictive, and spurs the body to increase its output of growth hormones).
Taking the amino acid taurine and vitamin B6 together helps some people more than either by itself, as Tom Fernstrom reported on the NoMsg site.
Don't overdose on B6 - the RDA is 2 mg. It's best to eat good sources of B6 instead of taking vitamins but if you do get an MSG reaction,
be aware that the chemical structure of folic acid by nature contains a string of glutamates
so it might be best to take taurine and vitamin B6 only and avoid B-complex vitamins containing folic acid. . . (end quote by CarolH).
I can't believe how much I learn when I go on the hunt with questions here.
I did not know that about Folic Acid or about Gelatin -- and I had forgotten about Taurine & B-6.
This from a Google search of:
MSG, Remedy (which I forgot to do until just now).
One link suggested also Ibuprophen (but that can be really hard on kidneys) and Red Bull (Oh, My! Oh, No!). Still, there are other interesting links that popped up from that search. -
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- Not so much for a quick remedy but this article may answer questions about how too much glutamate can wire us so. Maybe for reading after this situation calms down.