After my Samento trial/disaster I decided to try again to detox.
In my arsenal I have Chlorella, Stinging Nettle and Milk Thistle capsules. And Burbur drops.
Dr.S says with HLA 15/6/51 one must take CSM. Chlorella is an acceptable substitute?
I took one yesterday after a meal. Today took one before three meals. I think it has helped. "NOW" brand 1000mg.
I read one of Gigi's links where Dr. K said something to the effect that if you feel really bad take more Chlorella. Is that right?
Chlorella seems to be used mostly against heavy metals. But is also as good against bacterial biotoxins? (endotoxins?)
I don't know if the Burbur helped. I have not tried the Nettle capsules - nor the Milk Thistle.
I am also interested in trying Smilax/Sarsaparilla.
Posted by pme (Member # 31621) on :
Based on what I have said.......what makes you think she may be less than adequate in the Lyme dept?
Is it that she should be morse aggressive with her treatment?
Thanks
Posted by pme (Member # 31621) on :
Based on what I have said.......what makes you think she may be less than adequate in the Lyme dept?
Is it that she should be morse aggressive with her treatment?
Thanks
Posted by susank (Member # 22150) on :
???
FWIW I refer to Dr S in the "Insights" book - page 390. Dr S refers to another Dr S.
ie 15/16--6/5--51 HLA patterns and detoxing biotoxins. To use as a binder Cholestyramine.
If one has the HLA pattern - and probably unable to remove the toxins - cannot get or tolerate CSM - is Chlorella similar in its detoxing properties?
[ 03-08-2012, 06:54 PM: Message edited by: susank ]
Posted by susank (Member # 22150) on :
pme - did you reply under the wrong topic?
Posted by nefferdun (Member # 20157) on :
I am not an expert on chlorella but i read somewhere it takes a long time to work. You should take it about 20 minutes before you meals, not after.
It is supposed to bind with the toxins your bile is releasing into the intestines. You could also take alpha lipoic acid to help draw the toxins out of the cells.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Long time? after 30 minutes if you feel nothing, either it does not help for what you are taking, or the dosage is too low.
Never more than 30 miinutes for me, any time, before meals or not. It is very fast for me, it has always been.
In the event of a big herx, try taking 50-100 pills at once (if you tolerate chlorella), you will see what I mean!!!
Same as cardamon tea. Very fast, in a matter of minutes, IF this is what your body needs. Dosage is very important!
Posted by susank (Member # 22150) on :
Approx how many mg's at a time - and per day?
I don't have pills. I have 1000mg tablets. Tks.
Posted by Larae30 (Member # 35220) on :
I have been taking Chlorella for a while and haven't noticed anything? I feel like I also hear mixed things about when you're supposed to take it.
Are you supposed to take it not around abx and other supplements...will it affect their absorption at all?
Posted by blownelk (Member # 27078) on :
I also just started taking Chlorella (1000mg by NOW). I've only taken one so far.
What am I supposed to feel? I took it before dinner last night, didn't notice anything. But today I am dizzy and having more troubles walking than usual. I realize that this could be completely un-related to the chlorella.
For those of you taking so may pills at once, what are the dosages of them? Thank you!
Posted by blownelk (Member # 27078) on :
I'm up to 3 pills a day, still nothing much except occasional dizziness. Any ideas? Thanks.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Dizziness might mean that you are just mobilizing toxins but not binding them... You need a lot of chlrella to bind these toxins, a lot can mean a HANDFUL at once.
Chorella is like food, it is not a single chemical.
but if you are allergic to it (like with anything else), it can be dangerous. Some people cannot digest it either, for some reason....
I kept feeling strange symptoms first weeks on chlorella and thought my body couldn't digest it, and it made me feel worse somehow, so I was afraid of chlorella.
My naturopath then told me, you need this (it was A HANDFUL, literally, hundred or more pills).
She said, take these now. I said, no way. She said, you need it, you can take here and wait, I'll follow you. So I did, with a big fear in my tummy. Well, like magic, I felt so much better about 20-30 minutes after that, that since that day, I became a chlorella fan.
When I felt foggy, I first tried chlorella. When I was herxing, that was the first thing I tried. If I felt dizzy, I know for ME, it meant, I needed more, so I just kept adding. And from times to times, I did a flush, I took the handfull again.
My fear of chlorella disappeared and it became one of my favorite supplements, even today, that I have no more lyme.
I don't take it everyday anymore, even not once a week. I take it from times to times, but during lyme, I think I took it every single day. Some days more, some days less.
It cannot clean all die off toxins, but it was my main cleanser. I am sorry for those who are allergic to it, as it is a great cleanser! Very 'widespectrum' cleanser, if I can call it like that. Plus, it is like food as it nourishes you.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Just another thing on chlorella. I had suffered with GI symptoms for decades before I knew chlorella.
Doctors said Helicobacter pilori, gastritis, allergy to milk, foods, etc. All types of diagnosis, they kept changing names of my disease according to time or doctor. Of course, no cure, just paliative pain management.
My problem was with me for more than 2 decades, I suffered from constant pain, diarrhea, malabsorption, even though I ate well, cooked home etc.
Well, what solved my GI problem that was PREVIOUS to lyme was cholrella. Since my chlorella experiment, I have no more pain (except if I over eat).
Decades of suffering disappeared because of chlorella! I attribute almost all my GI problems due to heavy metal (my mouth was full of amalgams, since about 7 years old).
Chlorella took the bulk of heavy metals away, my symptoms disappeared by their own within the 1st months of my chlorella experience.
I never touched an anti-acid tablet since then. Never needed daily acupuncture for stomach pain anymore. Almost all my digestive troubles came simply from the 'nice' work dentists did in my mouth since early childhood. Amazing.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- Brussels,
Thanks so much for all that detail. Really helps. --------------
Although I've not taken this in a long time ( trying to whittle down to the very minimum), rather than pills, I prefer to buy Chorella in bulk to cut costs. Just stir it in water.
Spirulina, too, is excellent and while very similar in some ways, the two are different and complement each other in good ways.
Mike Adams' website, Natural News, has good detail on both and a side-by-side comparison. Those terms should be enough to find it through Google. -
Posted by nefferdun (Member # 20157) on :
Chlorella has 50 times the amount of iron as meat. Bacteria become more virulent with iron. Spirulina is high in iron too.. When you have a chronic infection your body stores iron as ferritin trying to hide the iron from the pathogens. So chlorella is kind of a catch 22. I quit using it.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- nefferdun,
Is that for food-containing iron, or maybe (hopefully) for prescription iron?
What about those who really need some food source of iron if they are nearly depleted (or vegetarian).
I'm sure there are complexities to this but wonder if there's a differentiation from iron as part of a full food vs. other source ? -
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Everythig you eat, will feed pathogens. They live on what you live. That is why so many concentrate in the gut, they eat first, you take the rest.
Why is that the ferritin load is low for so many lyme sufferers? I never had problems before or after lyme: only when babesia was active, my ferritin levels were down to 6 or less! I needed iron injections every 3 months!!!
Low ferritin for many here in LN.
Macrophages use iron to kill certain pathogens.
On the contrary, we NEED iron for killing certain pathogens.
ABX is also a catch 22. Get rid of many pathogens, and get more resistant candida as a present.
Anything you do, take, will impact your body in a certain form or another. That is why we need to choose what to do. And what works for one, won't necessarily work for the next.
Who can garantee you that ANY supplement you take is not feeding the critters that cause you disease?
If we had only one critter to fight, that would be easy. Add parasites, funghi /candida, bacteria, viruses and whatever there is even without names yet.
I took chlorella during my whole lyme treatment. Dr. K. is a big user of chlorella and all his followers use chlorella to their lyme patients, when they tolerate chlorella.
Not everyone agrees with dr. K. I'm particular very thankful to his protocols, without his followers, I think I wouldn't be here.
Chlorella for me is a thing I would never have left out, if I had to fight lyme again. It's on my top 10 list.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- Brussels,
Thank you. -
Posted by ktkdommer (Member # 29020) on :
I was about to post a chlorella question and then I found this new thread.
The informationa above was very helpful. I am taking NOW Chlorella 1,000 mgs like a few people who posted. I am starting at 1 a day and am on my 8th day. It is kicking my butt and I had to miss work today.
My symptoms are fatigue, napping a lot, body pain and muscle weakness. Folding clothes was difficult.
I haven't herxed in a long time so I have to believe this is chlorella detoxing and causing my symptoms.
What do I do? Stay with the low dose? Up it as a prior post said or cut back?
I do take ALA. Is there anything else I should add?
I am trying to figure out if the benefits are worth cutting back to half days at work.
Thank you to the experts out there and those sharing their experiences. I appreciate it!
Posted by ktkdommer (Member # 29020) on :
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Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
To understand chlorella and how much to take, please read this
Chlorella is a complete nutrient as well. It works only in the extracellular space and will capture mercury there. I used to take several grams 3 times a day and at nighttime. It removes toxic metals and other neurotoxins if you take it 20 min BEFORE meals. Not during and not right after meals.
Take care.
P.S. Make certain you are not constipated.
Posted by ktkdommer (Member # 29020) on :
I seem to be having heart palpitations with chlorella. On day 10. Still sleeping a lot and have some body pain. I am only taking 1,000 mgs once a day.
Are heart palpitations normal with chlorella?
I think I need to wait to go up in dosage until I stabalize.
Posted by Spindleshanks (Member # 32556) on :
KTK this is seriously confusing?
I just took some due to a major herx from Flagy and now I have terrible diarrhea.
I took 2000mg last night before dinner and again this am before breakfast.
So if I take 4000mgs now instead will my diarrhea get better or worse?
I have read Dr.Ks Article many times and I get the idea of taking more but for some reason I am still worried. It doesn't answer all of my questions.
If the chlorella does bind to other supplements it would be nearly impossible to use during Lyme treatment.
I asked a master herbalist and they said to take other meds 3hrs before or after not enough hours in the day to fit everything in.