I was started on Banderol and Samento drops in March. I've had questions about it and really don't find much info here on LN.
Had phone consult last week (about something else, but I asked where to go from here with Cowden) and she's left continuing with the other herbs for me to figure out.
She didn't put it that way, but that's what it amounted to.
There's so much variation in the treatment in what I read online.
It's got me wondering why if it's supposed to be 70% effective more people aren't being put on it by their LLMds? At least here on LN.
Posted by Marz (Member # 3446) on :
I did it again! Could this be moved to medical?
Bad headache today and not thinking straight.
Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
I think cowden is pretty expensive isn't it?
Posted by Marz (Member # 3446) on :
I haven't figured that out yet, and I'm dragging my feet about upping to the full dose partly for that reason.
I think this might be called condensed Cowden with just banderol/burber, samento/parley plus serrapeptase. It' cheaper to buy from MD than online.
The protocol has changed and gotten simpler I guess. Maybe due to Eva Sapi's research where the banderol, samento and serrapeptase worked in vitro?
But at the end of 76 days you stop and switch to others and I think there are more of them.
I mentioned cost to her on the phone and she said it's no more expensive than Buhner, but when I did Buhner I made my own capsules.
Yes, I'm concerned about cost if I really get up to 30 drops. a bottle would last 10 days I think.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Most LLMDs know NOTHING about herbs. I would say that is the main reason.
Moving this for you! Posted by aMomWithHope (Member # 19255) on :
FYI: The Samento and Banderol, etc. that one can buy individually through Nutramedix are NOT the same herbal products as contained within the complete Cowden protocol packages. Those herbals in the complete protocol package are INFUSED, and those sold separately are not.
I found this out the hard way when I purchased only the herbals I felt my dd needed (hoping to save some money). When I contacted the company to ask about why they didn't say "INFUSED" on the bottles, since those need to be succussed every few days, I was informed that only the bottles that come in the prepackaged protocol are actually the proper INFUSED herbals, thus the ones truly used in the Cowden protocol.
So if any of you are wondering why you aren't getting the results talked about in regard to the Cowden Protocol, this may be the reason.
I now have a nice supply of "useless" Cowden herbals--so much for trying to save $$$--
Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
^ that's pretty good info
Posted by Marz (Member # 3446) on :
I just checked the labels and my LLMD is selling the Nutramedix herbals that are not infused obviousl.
It does say to shake before each use.
I didn't always shake and if I did, not very hard at all. And then it seems the end of the bottle would be so strong it might cause a herx which didn't happen.
So it WOULD be very expensive to do this protocol the right way.
I'm really disappointed in my LLMD. I wonder if she's just unaware of this. Or maybe she believes it's effective.
I did think it was working at first, but must have been going through a good period. Either that or it did help in the beginning.
Thanks so much for this info MomWithHope!
Posted by Marz (Member # 3446) on :
Oh, I just reread your info and see it's the infused herbs that need to be succussed every few days.
Posted by aMomWithHope (Member # 19255) on :
Marz,
The herbals you used may have been working because the Samento and Banderol, etc. are good herbals just on their own. I wouldn't dismiss their healing properties outright, just wanted to give the info regarding the Cowden-specific INFUSED products versus the regular.
When I asked Nutramedix about just succussing the bottles I currently now own and whether or not that would then make them INFUSED, she said, No. She said the Infused products are only supplied in the Cowden Protocol Package and are prepared by their proprietary method. She was very specific about how the Cowden protocol must be used in full to be considered the Cowden protocol and thus to see the results attached to that protcol.
Of course this could all be just a sales pitch and malarkey to make everyone buy the Cowden protocol package, but I still wanted the info out there since I myself was disappointed to learn this, and I know others are most likely like me in wanting to save some $$$ and just buy what is considered most needed.
The researcher in CT (S) had excellent results with using the Samento and Banderol in her experiments. I dont' know if she used the specifically INFUSED ones, but since Nutramedix/Cowden suppliers have been at every convention I've attended that had S. discussing her work, I would think she did use those. It would be interesting though for someone to contact her and verify that info.........
I don't want to discourage anyone especially if they are using these and are having good results, just want to give the knowledge I have learned so they can be informed consumers--with these infections in particular, it seems $$$ leave the bank account before it even gets there!
Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
so what exactly is infused??
Posted by aMomWithHope (Member # 19255) on :
I wish I knew the answer to that.
Nutramedix wouldn't respond to my question regarding that other than vaguely stating it was proprietary info--
Maybe someone who is actually on the complete Cowden Protocol would have more luck in getting that info?
Posted by Marz (Member # 3446) on :
Also somewhat disingenuous is the amount of serrapeptase given on the front of their label.
It says 500 mg. On the front of label and 200 mg on the back. The other ingredient is Jerusalem Artichoke 800mg.
How do they get by with that?
Posted by doglover (Member # 19374) on :
Still confused though about doing this in general.
[ 05-16-2012, 06:04 PM: Message edited by: Marz ]
Posted by annxyzz (Member # 20404) on :
I am skeptical of nutramedix overall due to the fact that they have sooo many products with claims for them and zero evidence or user reviews or studies to back it up. To not be forthright about the potency of the herbs unless you request "protocol for Cowden" is almost dirty . It seems like they want you to take their products forever . I do trust what Eva SAPI finds however . Another reliable herbal provider is Herb Pharm .
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