Someone told me that you have to treat one before the other as not to damage the organs and I cannot remember for the life of me which one it was.
Anyone know?
Posted by angelp (Member # 36878) on :
I have been treating for hashimotto thyroid for 6 years...last May treated for adrenals cause they crashed but caught it in time before any organ failure.
I was treated with low dose steroids for adrenals, which made me very ill due to the fact that I wasn't diagnosed with lyme yet. I would stay away from steroids...they are definitely not good with lyme.
I now have an ND and an LLMD...ND keep adrenals good with adrenal support supplements..haven't had any problem since.
Thyroid numbers went from hypo to hyper since I have been on lyme protocols...and I take Armour thyroid meds which I have been able to drop from 120 mg. To 30 mg.
I think the adrenal and thyroid were breaking down from the lyme.
Hope this helps a bt.
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
What do you use for adrenal support?
I have just started taking Kavinace and then AdreCor after neurotransmitter testing. Licorice tea has been a huge help to me also.
Posted by angelp (Member # 36878) on :
I was treated with a very low dose prednisone..I didn't know I had lyme. It made me very ill, but it put adrenals back fast. I have to see my ND this Saturday and she will do something, but don't know what...I will let you know if she treats my adrenals, they are borderline right now.
If anything it will be natural not prednisone now that I know I have lyme.
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Vitamin C, Sea Salt and pantothentic acid (b-5)all helped me with adrenal function. I had very low functioning adrenals. Sea salt is also an antibacterial and antiparasitic.
Salt(sea salt) is VERY important for the adrenals to function properly. When the adrenals are functioning properly, it will help the thyroid to also start functioning.
Posted by whitmore (Member # 28721) on :
You should treat the adrenals first, as you need adequate cortisol for the thyroid meds. to work.
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
glm1111, maybe that is why I have been craving salt. I use a lot of sea salt. My BP has gotten lower so I don't worry about it causing high BP when I use a lot. That is good to know.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- Ditto to Gael's: "Salt(sea salt) is VERY important for the adrenals to function properly."
Topic: NATURAL SLEEP & ADRENAL SUPPORT -
Posted by tickedoff2wice (Member # 35693) on :
Thank you for all the great advice. Do many of you research this on your own or do you have guidance from an LLMD or LLND?
If the latter is yes, would you mind e-mailing me the name of the person you use please? I've got to get my daughter on track, she is loosing hope.
Thank you so much
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- Hope you get some names specific to your area. In the meantime:
When considering herbal / nutritional / adjunct methods:
if at all possible - because each person & each case is different - it's best to consult with an ILADS-educated LL (lyme literate) doctor who has completed four years of post-graduate medical education in the field of herbal and nutritional medicine -
- and someone who is current with ILADS' research & presentations, past and present.
Many LL NDs incorporate antibiotics (depending upon the licensing laws in their state). Some LLMDs and LL NDs have good working relationships.
When possible, it's great to have both a LLMD and LL ND and even better when they have a long-standing professional relationship.
Integrative / Holistic M.D., etc. (Be aware that those in this category can have various levels of formal herbal &/or nutritional education, perhaps even just a short course. Do ask first.)
Links to many articles and books by holistic-minded LL doctors of various degrees who all have this basic approach in common:
Understanding of the importance of addressing the infection(s) fully head-on with specific measures from all corners of medicine;
knowing which supplements have direct impact, which are only support and which are both.
You can compare and contrast many approaches.
BASIC HERBAL EDUCATIONAL & SAFETY links,
BODY WORK links with safety tailored to lyme patients,
LOW HEAT INFRARED SAUNA detail,
BIONIC 880 (& PE-1) links, and
RIFE links. -
Posted by tickedoff2wice (Member # 35693) on :
Thanks Keebler!
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
It's more potent if your drink the sea salt in a glass of water. Try maybe low dose in the am, say 1/4tsp in a glass of water along with 1/4/tsp Ester C powder with bioflavinoids.
Could help you in many ways including killing some Lyme bacteria and giving you some extra minerals from the sea salt.
Also drinking coconut water could be very benficial and help balance electrolytes as well as help with dehydration.
Gael
Posted by tickedoff2wice (Member # 35693) on :
That's a good idea too Gael, I'm going to try that starting tomorrow, thanks!
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
You can herx from the salt/c, so maybe sipping it at first would be good instead of gulping it down. It has been VERY effective for me in combating Lyme.
Gael
Posted by tickedoff2wice (Member # 35693) on :
I just sprinkled pink sea sal and took my daughters chewable C (all that we had in the house). Is this suffifcient or what do I need to do before I start dosing?
What kinds of improvements did you notice? Was it immediate?
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
For more in depth info on the salt/c protocol, visit lymestrategies because these are the people doing salt/c along with other protocols.
You can use Himalayan Sea Salt or Real Salt. Also it's best to use Ester C powder with bioflavinoids. I get them both at vitacost.
Gael
Posted by fourwinds (Member # 14114) on :
quote:Originally posted by tickedoff2wice: Someone told me that you have to treat one before the other as not to damage the organs and I cannot remember for the life of me which one it was.
Anyone know?
Adrenals must be treated BEFORE thyroid, otherwise treating thyroid, with weak adrenals will pull from them and cause further disfunction/crashing.
I believe this is in the Merck Manual but most allopathic doc's don't know how to properly treat thyroid issues....
I addressed adrenals and dysautonomia first. I can't remember for sure which of those came first but they both were months before thyroid. Each of them made a very noticeable difference so I hope for the same for you.
Posted by MannaMe (Member # 33330) on :
We read Dr. James Wilson's book "Adrenal Fatigue". It really helped by explaining the 'how' and 'why' of adrenal fatigue. He also tells you what to do or not do, to recover your adrenals.
My husband decided to use the supplements Dr. Wilson formulated. We saw improvements in a weeks time!
I agree heartily with the above posters on vitamin c and sea salt! VERY important for adrenals!
Posted by faithful777 (Member # 22872) on :
I saw no help from the Wilson protocol. Some do and some don't. I treated both adrenals and thyroid at the same time.
My adrenals are better now using pregnenolone and ashwaganda over the past couple of years. You have to get stress under control.
Now I am still battling my Free T3/T4, but Rifampin is complicating that as it affects both thyroid and hormones in general.
Posted by tickedoff2wice (Member # 35693) on :
Thanks Gael, I will try that...and just ordered those. I LOVE Vitacost!
Fourwinds, this is a great source of information, I looked it over last night but my fingers were too sore to type back. I am so glad to have validation for the order. It seems not many Drs know about this important information and just treat without piecing together. Thanks!
WPinVA, what did you use to see the most improvement for your adrenals?
MannaMe and Gael we are trying the salt and C, too soon to tell but I'm sure it will take a while to start building up..thanks for this GREAT advice. We also have that book, it's just so hard to find the time to read let alone comprehend (my Lyme brain) sometimes.
Faithful777 I tried his supliments too and didnn't really notice a whole lot of change but in all due fairness I have had Lyme a long time so it's hard to know what's causing what and what I am sensitive to (as I have a lot food/preservatives/chemical allergies/reactions). I use Progesterone but don;t notice I difference. May I ask what you use and if you have benefitted from it? You are right about stress, and she has A LOT of that from her uninvolved father who brings forth a lot of drama when he does decide to show up. She also feels socially awkward due to the fact that the PITANDS is attacking the Basal Ganglia of her brain causeing EXTREME anxiety and self-doubt. We are working on that through various channels but it does have a profound impact on her stress levels. Plus she is gaining weight, especially in her abdoman (adrenals/thyroid/Bart) and at 15 that's tough, especially with society's "expectations on image"! I didn't realize that Rif could do that, what a catch 22! Is there anything easy about this illness and it's counterparts?! Praying for you, thanks for the advise
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