How does one tell the difference between M.S and Lyme? What is the difference in testing? I recently had a spinal tap, but do not know if they tested for MS? My cousin just got diagnosed with M.S she is 42 and it started in her eye. UMMMMMMMM....
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
She probably has Lyme!
I think an MRI can help, but there is NO test for MS. Certain test results can point to it, but nothing conclusive.
Ask your Dr about the spinal tap.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- MS is sort of an umbrella diagnosis. Often really due to a chronic stealth infection. Often lyme.
Spinal tap can yield some clues to neurological markers but it's a terrible test regarding lyme. Not reliable at all for lyme.
LLMDs are the best to consult to help sort this all out.
Also detail about other possible MS connections with other tick-borne infections, other stealth infections, environmental causes, etc. -
Posted by joanthebone (Member # 38407) on :
But guys, not everyone has Lyme. There are plenty of other diseases that people can attain. I will read the links though and learn more. This stuff is all bewildering to me. My cousin's MS? started in her eye. I have not heard of Lyme beginning there???
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
They both needed an IgG1k response which doesn't happen. It is the "k" light chain portion that was missing.
That antibody interacts with IgE Fc.
MS is triggered by a retroviral protein.
Bb picks up 2 proteins in the tick's saliva - one is called SALP15, the other is called p8.
I suspect p8 is really AKT8.
Find what AKT8 IS ! - Wikipedia.
Google: MS berberine Google: berberine anti-spirochetal Google: berberine diabetes Google: berberine cancer
You will be blown away!
IMO, lyme can progress to MS (both are/become "autoimmune"), but simply picking up the *same* tiny retroviral protein from another original pathogen maybe possible.
If you so chose, Google this too: kappa biotin alanine
Normally our liver uses alanine (amino acid) in gluconeogenesis...actually lactate + H -> lactic acid + alanine
Should come as no surprise that ALT levels can go up.
If we stop liver gluconeogenesis, the kidneys act as a back up and use glutamine instead. Using lactate + H -> lactic acid + glutamine (a different - most abundant - amino acid).
Posted by lyme-o (Member # 35115) on :
Oh yes. Lyme can react in your eyes. Vision is a symtpom.
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
My sis had lyme induced uveitis. She nearly lost her eyesight. At one point in time, she could only see the big "E" on the eye chart.
She was very scared when the doc said she HAD to have steroid shots directly into her eyes (x2) since she was misdx'd originally (RA not lyme)and was given steroids before abx which allowed Bb to soar.
The shots in her eyes, saved her eyesight....bigtime.
And for whatever reason, the highest levels of Prozac allowed seems to be protecting her from "neuro" lyme.
However, her body continues to take a "hit". Six joints replaced so far, hands very crippled, legs edematous, etc.
She is now dx'd "autoimmune".
Ongoing inflammation is very harmful.
Too many "bystander" cells take a hit.
While inflammation IS part of the healing process, ONGOING inflammation is very very bad.
Posted by twicebitten (Member # 5412) on :
My neurologist told me that 99% of MS patients test + on the oloclonal bands (sp) on tap. I had 2 spinal taps and neither showed these bands.
The first neuro who diagnosed me diagnosed MS anyway. His "specialty" in neurology was MS and he went on to work at MS clinic.
The recent neuro I'm seeing has diagnosed neuropathy, but has yet been unable to find the "cause"..this is because he refuses to believe lyme is the cause. SO, he has nothing. After 20 tubes of blood in testing, NOTHING!
He did state emphatically he did not believe I have MS..