My experience with Ivermectin so far and other meds like mebendazole, has led me to believe that they are attacking biofilms and not just gut worms. Why? Because when I take them, I get the same reactions I get when I take other biofilm busters, only more pronounced.
And I can feel all my Lyme areas across whole body burning and herxing.
Someone posted that Ivermectin affected biofilms -- I wonder if they heard this from their doc? Or a study? link?
Any comments welcome, just wanted to throw this out there for discussion.
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
My doc says that the Ivermectin gets to the bug that causes the biolfilm in the first place (most likely)....so that may be what is happening.
What is your dose/frequency of treatment? That can apparently make a difference too, he is finding. Also if you are taking it with anything else?
Posted by BoxerMom (Member # 25251) on :
I also pass more biofilm on antiparasitics. My guess is that killing the parasites liberates the biofilm they were inhabiting. Then the body can get rid of it.
I need lots of enzymes when I treat parasites. I also get the stiff, achey feeling all over.
And binders. Parasites hold onto a lot of microbes and metals. They are toxic little creatures.
Posted by dan67 (Member # 20344) on :
CD57, Boxer -- interesting thoughts.
Just to be clear, though, I guess I'm thinking about biofilms outside the gut -- in other body tissues. Does this line up with your thinking?
EDIT: I guess I mention this because if you could see or notice the passing of biofilm, then you'd be talking about biofilm in the gut. Biofilm elsewhere in the body wouldn't be able to be seen or noticed passing out of the body, because as it is destroyed it would have to be metabolized by the liver first and it would be broken down into microscopic components.
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
Yes. I'm talking about biofilm in the blood, like the stuff that shows up in the Fry slide.
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Interesting... I have noticed this too on herbal anti-parasitics... Just like what BoxerMom said.
I've been taking modified citrus pectin as a binder...
Posted by BoxerMom (Member # 25251) on :
I think I was implying that if these meds have positive effects in breaking up gut biofilm, and the meds are known to go systemic, they will have some effect on vascular and tissue biofilms, too.
But I honestly don't know. I've never had the Fry smear for biofilms. Others who have posted say their biofilm load comes down with treatment. I'm sure that can be attributed to many factors.
Posted by dan67 (Member # 20344) on :
I've noticed that after anti-parasite meds, all my normal Borrelia treatments kick butt for a while, which could mean that the anti-parasite meds "expose" Borrelia to further treatment.
Posted by BoxerMom (Member # 25251) on :
Great observation, Dan!!
Yet another reason to treat for parasites.
Posted by baileypup (Member # 22824) on :
I've had the same thoughts. When I take Zymex II, anti-parasitic systemic enzymes, there is the exact same die-off as with Ivermectin. I've always felt that it was roto-rootering the biofilm and caked on debris.
The fact that we all are having the same experience is significant. I am positive for the Fry protozoa. In fact I told Dr. Ellis of Fry Labs about my experience and he said he would look into testing Zymex II.
Posted by Energy2Heal (Member # 2010) on :
I've read somewhere else that Ivermectin clears biofilm, but I can't remember where at the moment.
Started Ivermectin today.
dan67 - how much are you taking?
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
Maybe if some of the pathogens are killed - it causes a break up of the biofilm??? I'm considering trying triphala.