Hi there, I am going to be starting Rifampin for tx. of bartonella, as this is all I have left to treat, according to my LLMD. I have heard it can be pretty rough, but will try it anyways. I have been researching HH or HH2 capsules, A-bart and colloidal silver. I am willing to try all of these first. Is there anyways these natural treatments could get rid of bart completely, without antibiotics? Any suggestions? Thanks so much!
Posted by happydaychick (Member # 37799) on :
Thanks for asking, as I am VERY curious about this as well. I start rifampin in ~10 days and NOT looking forward to it.
Posted by Rivendell (Member # 19922) on :
Welll, I couldn't tolerate Rifampin due to it causing acid reflux for me. And levaquin can worsen the tendonitis. I took Septra for several months, but then had trouble urinating.
My LLMD started me on Bar-1 by Beyond Balance. It is a gentle tincture - glycerin, no alcohol.
So far, it seems to be helping.
Posted by Rivendell (Member # 19922) on :
Also, you might check out Stephen Buhner's new protocal for Bartonella. It is supposed to be very powerful.
If this link doesn't work, just do a search for "buhnerhealinglyme".
Posted by Summer3 (Member # 35286) on :
I've done Rifampin. It was tough at first, but settled down after a few weeks for me. I think you will need to take something with it though like doxy, mino, zith or bactrim.
I think of the 3 main infections, bart, babs and Lyme, Bart is probably the most difficult to treat wtih herbs alone. There is not much to choose from in that regard. I have not tried HH but I hope it helps you.
Posted by gmb (Member # 23562) on :
What other protocols have your been on for Lyme and Babs? If you did OK and lived thru those then just give try rifampin. Most of us have could tolerate it with limited side effects.
Ramp up with only a half dose per day for first week or two, then go to full dose and see how you feel.
After that add in Doxy. That's a good combination, and I could really feel it working. Just make sure to monitor liver enzymes closely and frequently thru Bart treatment. This is the only time mine were slightly elevated during 2.5 yrs of treatment.
good luck
gmb
Posted by WIGGY (Member # 15377) on :
What is HH or HH2, I read about it in article but do not know what it is. I started Rif 12 days ago and ok at 1/2 dose - will up next week. Also take doxy and zith
Posted by koo (Member # 30462) on :
I found Levaquin to be the most effective but unfortunately developed Achilles problems.
My MD suggested rifabutin over rifampin, along with azithromycin. I have had no issues so far with the rifabutin.
Any other rifabutin users out there?
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
I was on Septra for Bart. (along with Zith and Bicillin for whatever else). I tried A-Bart, but it was harder for me to tolerate than Rifampin.
I am EXTREMELY sensitive to meds, so my LLMD RX'd the liquid form of Septra and I slowly weaned up 1 ml at a time.
Posted by joysie (Member # 11063) on :
Koo, I'd love to hear your llmd's thoughts on Rifabutin. Rifampin was very helpful for me but messed horribly with my thyroid meds.
Posted by koo (Member # 30462) on :
Joysie, if I didn't develop the Achilles pain I would still be on the Levaquin. I think rifabutin and rifampin are very similar. He just seemed to feel rifabutin was more effective.
I haven't had any side-effects from it. I've never been on rifampin so I can't compare