I have never been so scared and freaked out in my life.
I took 2 days worth of Biltricide. I finished it up on Friday. My stomach has been upset yesterday and today.
Now I can see actual remnants of parasites. What looks like the encasement of what was several worms. If you think of what an earthworm would look like if all of it's insides had dissolved away.
I AM SCARED TO DEATH!!!!!
I'm supposed to start Pyrantel pamoate tomorrow.
I HAVE LIVER FLUKES!!!! I looked up the image on Google images.
Am I going to die?????
Can I please hop back into ignorance and naivete and not know about these things????
Posted by payne (Member # 26248) on :
hope u find courage to press on... listen to your body/self inner... I seem to push myself too hard with treatment and fall of the wagon..find abalance and grab it. better to be slow and sure then fast and sicker.? parasites seem to be everywhere and in everything, yet.. its a 3rd world problem when it comes to doctors.. where are all the medical certified and educated Doctors treating PARASITES.. ?? sure order this and take, rid your self of the mass, yet, it seems as though they will survive and return shortly.. good days are far and few, hope you have a good day..
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
Chuckle.
Lax, I'm pretty sure everyone has parasites. IMO, anyone who has crawled on a floor as a baby would fall into this category. Anyone who eats restaurant food would fall into this category, IMO. So, you're not alone.
You're eyes are open now. Your head is no longer stuck in a sand box. We've all been raised to believe that if we're born in a sterile hospital (not that we got them there), we're perfect, not infected, no worries--not. But that ridiculous sterile concept is stuck in our heads. It's just not reality.
Parasites are part of nature. They are part of living on the planet. You're lucky you get the fact that you could even remotely have parasites and begin treating them. Most people I know can't think outside the allopathic box.
Do a search on Gael's story (incredible). She's still kicking, so you should be fine too. :)
Are you doing colon cleansing?
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
lax mom,
PLEASE TRY AND CALM DOWN! You are not going to die. The parasites exiting are a GREAT SIGN!! The meds are working and you are killing what has been making you so sick.
It's a BLESSING! CELEBRATE!!When it was happening to me six yrs ago, I was shocked at all the parasites exiting into the toilet. I decided to make it into a science project and just observed.
"I kept saying "No wonder I have been so sick" Just make sure that when you stop the pharma meds you continue with antiparasitic herbs and maybe some salt/c.
You are on the road to recovery, not the other way around.
Gael
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
Thank for the kind words payne.
Catgirl: Ignorance is truly bliss.
Of course I would have parasites, I grew up on a farm, played with the animals like pets...and drank bad water several years ago.
It's one thing to understand that you may have parasites...it's another scary thing to see them...TERRIFYING.
I'm gonna look up Gael's story.
I haven't done any enemas yet. Hopefully I can get a colonic by the end of the week.
I pray this is the beginning of my healing.
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
Thank you Gael...I was hoping you would chime in too.
Eggs are one thing but flukes..."No wonder I have been SO sick" and no wonder antibiotics did nothing to get me well.
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
Ah yes, quite lovely, no?
No!
But I just think, get this crud out of me. Think about how your body and organs are being cleansed.
I think it's kind of cool to see disease leave.
Posted by birdie67 (Member # 35994) on :
Yay, that you are seeing them!! Better out than in!
Now is the time to get colonics. Two in a row and then frequent ones after. Keep going with your treatment. parasites are very hard to get rid of so be strong and persistent.
Read Gigi and Gaels threads, they are packed full of information!!
Parasites, candida and heavy metals all go hand in hand. Make sure you are taking lots of binders.
You are going to be fine, hang in there Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by Catgirl: Chuckle.
Lax, I'm pretty sure everyone has parasites.
- I agree. Count it as a GOOD thing!!
Posted by axseptants (Member # 32296) on :
I also have a concern about parasites. I understand that www.parasitetesting.com is the best resource for testing, but it appears that a doctor must order the test and receive results. We can't do it ourselves. Anyone know of a practitioner in the Central VA area who would be willing to help me get a work up for parasites? I work with an LLMD in DC, but he has not discussed treating parasites yet.
Posted by birdie67 (Member # 35994) on :
The tests can be very unreliable. I did a test through my LLMD that came back negative even though I had clear evidence that I had parasites.
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
I've calmed down. That is some scary stuff.
axseptants: I had high eosinophils which my LLNP felt was due to parasites...she was right.
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
quote:Originally posted by lax mom: Am I going to die?????
As I always tell my daughter when she asks this (it's kind of an ongoing joke, today she asked it after buying a different brand of clementines) .... yes, but not from this.
I passed worms like that for many months. Good to be getting rid of them. Be sure to build your gut back up with what it needs .... good bacterias ..... I used things like kefir, fermented veggies and kombucha in addtion to supplemental probiotics (which really aren't as strong as ferments).
And continue to treat the parasites, switching around what you treat with. I found I had to attack them continuously with different things for many months.
My testing showed no parasites, but I had a HUGE problem with them .... I also think that testing is inaccurate.
Posted by BoxerMom (Member # 25251) on :
Me, too. Fluke city.
Keep going! After the initial phase of visible parasites, it's not so gruesome. Mostly microscopic and unidentifiable remnants. And biofilm. Wheeee, fun!
These things are tenacious! When you feel you may be finished, do a short burst of larger doses. They'll keep exiting.
Happy for you, in that weird Lyme way. This is a big discovery. Onward!
Posted by Larae30 (Member # 35220) on :
Don't most people have parasites? Is it really possible to ever get rid of them all?
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
I think with a hyperinfection and given that some of these parasites lay over 200,000 eggs a day, tx should be ongoing till symptom free and then as Hulda Clark has stated maintenance FOREVER. If just one egg is left, the cycle will start all over again. Cloves help kill the eggs.
Gael
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
lax mom - welcome to the club! I've been posting for 7 months about the parasites that I have been passing daily since I started treatment in May. For some reason, not many people pay attention. I guess it's just hard to believe. But I'm so glad you actually started to treat. This is great news!! I'm celebrating with you. You will get well! You are on the right path!
Stay on top of your detox. The parasites, when they die, release all of the junk they have been holding (viruses, toxic metals, fungi, etc.) Daily coffee enemas were a God-send for me.
Keep going with your treatment. If you get freaked out along the way, that's normal. It's just so hard to believe these creatures have been living/thriving inside of us. I passed many very large segments (up to 16-20 inches). Daily common sizes for me were 6-8 inches. I'm not saying you will have the same thing, but I'm just sharing so you are prepared and not afraid. Keep reminding yourself 'this is a good thing'. Better out than in!
I've become very empowered by my experience with this. I now feel like I've taken back control of my body.
I've been saying for a long time that I am starting to believe parasites may be the primary infection that has allowed us to get sick and stay sick....unable to fight off Lyme, coinfections, etc. I believe ridding ourselves of parasites is the essential first step to rebuilding our foundation for regaining our health. Remember, our gut is responsible for about 70-80% of our immune system.
Please feel free to reach out if I can be of any help or support to you. God bless.
axseptants - don't even bother with testing. It is more inaccurate than Lyme testing. I would just treat, preferrably with the guidance of your doctor. This was all new to one of my doctors, but she was more than happy to oversee what I was doing and is thrilled with my results.
Posted by beths (Member # 18864) on :
Are people treating parasites while taking abx for lyme?
Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
Why do doctors deny parasites exist just like lyme?
Posted by axseptants (Member # 32296) on :
I would also like to know the answer to beths' question. Can you do salt/c while also doing ABX?
Posted by cozynana (Member # 34270) on :
Are there pictures of what biofilms look like. I pass stuff in the stool and would like to know it is.
Posted by Haley (Member # 22008) on :
lax mom.
I can't say that I have seen TONs of them, but the first time, I was a bit freaked out.
Now I find it to be confirmation that is beyond a blood test. Seeing is knowing that there is something inside us, as long as they are dead I'm fine. If they were moving around, I would be a bit freaked out.
Posted by Ellen101 (Member # 35432) on :
I stumbled upon this link about parasites. I thought it was really informative. He did state that the use of anti-parasitic pharmaceutical drugs are not really that helpful and can be dangerous to the liver as well as other organs..
"Ticks and other insects. Other sources include tick, fly and other insect bites. This is one way that Lyme disease, yellow fever, malaria, schistosomiasis and many parasitic diseases are spread. For much more on Lyme disease, click here. When hiking in wooded areas, or even dessert areas, preferably wear long sleeves, long pants and heavy sweat socks to help prevent these insect bites. I know this is inconvenient in the summertime, but can be well worth the trouble."
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Moral to story... Do not hike in DESSERT areas either!! Yum, yum... sounds good to ME!!
(once a teacher, always a teacher) Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
six: funny about your daughter. Did she survive eating the new Clementine?
Also, Gael: where is your story? I couldn't find in.
Tammy: I was one of those who ignored the posts about parasites for a very long time.
I thought that could never happen here...that's something that happens in 3rd world countries...Wrong!!!
Haley: I agree. If they were alive and wiggled around, I think I would have a heart attack
beths: my LLNP wanted me on antibiotics during the 1st sick weeks of parasite treatment. She said it was just in case "stuff" got churned up. What "stuff"? I have no idea...I'm just glad I'm on Cipro for another UTI.
Ellen: interesting read. I'm hoping the RX antiparasitics are doing less harm than the parasites were already doing to my body.
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
Lymetoo: I think I picked up the parasites when I was hiking in some chocolate pecan pie...I knew I should have worn long sleeves, etc Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
lax mom,
I don't have a partcular post of "My story" Synopsis is...I collapsed back in 83, couldn't walk or talk for a long time.
Bedridden on and off for over 10yrs with many ICU hospitalizations including lung obstruction, peritonitis, pancreatitis, many central lines, severe asthma etc and near death experiences.
Dx in 1999 by LLMD with bb, bart, babs and erlichiosis and SEVERE neuroborrelia with doc finding bullseyes on my head after 30 yrs.
I was bitten MANY, MANY times in 1978 (living in the woods) including having a fully engorged tick pulled off my arm.
All I can say is that if I didn't discover that I was infested with these parasites 6 yrs ago, I am pretty sure I wouldn't be here. The antiparasitics and salt/c saved my life.
I agree with Tammy that I think this parasites could be the main problem with this disease and that's why after yrs of abx, people are still chronically ill. So that's my story in a nutshell so to speak.
Gael
Posted by annxyzz (Member # 20404) on :
Gael, How much cloves ( daily ) is a good amount to take to prevent eggs ? Is there evidence that cloves kill eggs ?
I still pass hundreds of seed like objects when I take pyrantel . I think they are roundworm eggs . Others here have had similar experience .
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Google..Do Cloves Kill Parasite Eggs.
There is a wealth of info about their ability to break thru the hard casing of the eggs killing them.
Cloves are also a strong antibacterial as well as being antiparasitic and works as an analgesic for pain. Two capsules 3 x a day with meals is probably effective.
Gael
Posted by payne (Member # 26248) on :
whew, How long can our heart take this....... I swear, I am so close to drinking a gallon of whiskey and RAID chase & chew tabacco.. I ain;t no doctor.. but, i think flagyl hits parasites too, and may be why its so hard to stay the grind.
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
LAX mom, I am excited for you! You and I have traded emails brainstorming about why we haven't gotten well with abx.....I've got all the parasite stuff in my cupboard and am scared to death to start it as well!
Maybe this is our answer?
Although I know I still have Lyme and co maybe I can get rid of it after the parasites are down? YOU TOO?
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
Funny payne...RAID Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
cd57,
you can start with 1/2 the dose suggested and ramp up from there. Bite the bullet and go for it. It's not really that bad.
Payne,
I hear ya. I now understand drug use/addiction. I refer to this disease as "The Beast" I am not kidding. Abx will not kill parasites, however some people have had good results with the combo of Ivermwectin and doxy.
Wish these docs (know they mean well)would wake up to this devasting co-infection. Hang in there everybody. Can't let these bugs win.
Gael
Posted by TF (Member # 14183) on :
I watched the tiny bit of Dr. H's talk that is on the ILADS website, called a "preview" of the talks that were done at the 2012 Lyme Conference in Boston. It is the first 2 minutes or so of the talk.
Here is what Dr. H said: Talking about lyme patients, he said that they have "bacteria, parasites (the number one coinfection), viruses, candida and neurotoxins, and overstimulated immune system symptoms (cytokines)."
So, here is a top lyme doc saying that parasites are the number one coinfection of lyme patients!
By the way, my lyme doctor believes that flagyl kills parasites and the cyst form of lyme and many, many other things. That's why people in general have a very hard time taking it, according to him.
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
Wow, so they are changing their tunes a bit. The last couple of years it was bartonella, before that, babesia.
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
CD57: they may agree that parasites are a problem, but in my experience, my former LLMD still relied on testing in order to treat.
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
I'm so grateful to see more and more LLMDs become open to the topic of parasites. Dr. K has been preaching on the topic for decades. Glad to see some noteable docs are listening.
Posted by tickled1 (Member # 14257) on :
Gael,
So sorry to hear all you've been through. Would you consider yourself "cured" now?
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
quote:Originally posted by CD57: Although I know I still have Lyme and co maybe I can get rid of it after the parasites are down? YOU TOO?
That would be absolutely AMAZING!
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
How are you doing lax mom? Just checking in.
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
Pretty good Tammy, pretty darn good. I cannot believe I'm actually having some good days!
I started Pyrantel pamoate slowly on Monday.
Also started Valtrex today which wiped me out for a few hours.
I still need to do the enemas...just can't muster up the courage.
I think I'm going through the stages of grief or something, because Sunday I was scared to death, now I'm angry that all the $ I've spent on Drs (including 2 past LLMDs) and parasites were never addressed.
Now I know why you guys scream at the top of your lungs "treat parasites!". I think it is truly the key to getting my life back.
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
You are on your way!!
It's funny, once you are on this side of the fence, it feels different. I couldn't understand why Gael wouldn't stop talking about parasites. Finally, I listened (thanks to her, GiGi and to Dr. K also). Now I've started preaching the same way, and it's funny how most people don't even acknowledge it in a thread. It's as if I didn't even post anything. Feel sort of invisible on the topic.
I hope I can remain as tireless and Gael, but it is hard to keep sharing a hugely relevant message that mostly falls on deaf ears. So glad you really "heard" the message.
Now, regarding coffee enemas, they are not a big deal at all. In the beginning, you may have a few minor mishaps, but you quickly get the hang of it. And you will come to love them! No kidding! If you want me to spell out a few of my tips, just let me know, I can send you a PM.
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Hi Guys,
You can't imagine how happy I am when I see folks having results with antiparasitics after yrs of not making much progress with tx. It's the reason I keep posting the message over and over again hoping it will finally be noticed and help people get well.
Tammy,
You may think it falls on deaf ears, but ultimately it gets noticed because of the repetition.
I humbly urge you and others to keep posting about this very important issue and not get frustrated. Pay it forward because it will change the quality of some lives. There is strength in numbers.
Thanks,
Gael
Posted by WPinVA (Member # 33581) on :
For those of you who are posting and think it falls on deaf ears - it hasn't! I'm one of those who has been reading many of the parasite posts and over time have become increasingly convinced that this is something I need to address. Just trying to muster up the courage, but I will get there.
So thank you for all of the posts and know that they ARE making a difference.
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
WP,
Thanks for the validation and your very welcome.
Gael
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Tickled,
Thank you for the kind words. I will never consider myself "cured" because this disease can rear it's ugly head, just like cancer does. I find remission to be more realistic. I am at the 95% mark, so not totally there, but 10,000 times better than 6 yrs ago.
Gael
Posted by tickled1 (Member # 14257) on :
So happy for you Gael!
And I have to say that I use to scroll on by all the parasite posts but I'm glad that all of you that post about this have been persistent b/c I've finally realized that this could be a big piece of the puzzle for me as well. So in a nutshell, thank you!
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
Gael - I admire all of your dedication and persistence. I will continue to try to follow your lead. You are right, it is important to pay it forward. I am not at the 95% that you are, but I am getting closer every day! I am way better than I was.... all because of parasite treatment.
WPinVA and tickled - thanks for chiming in. It's nice to know that some folks are listening. Without a doubt I think this is one of the BIGGEST pieces of the puzzle.
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
I'm another one who wants to thank you Gael and Tammy and others for your persistence. It's definitely not falling on deaf ears! I am starting my parasite treatment in the next couple of days and hope to see some improvement as well. Years of abx etc have not helped me much at all.
I have always blown this off because I didn't have GI symptoms, well not bad ones anyway. Mine are all neuro . And I subscribed to the "parasites are only in 3rd world countries" theory as well. And I also didn't believe that they could block Lyme and co tx from being effective, because it didn't make scientific sense to me.
You will be glad to know that my LLMD is increasingly treating without even testing for parasites, and they are seeing improvement in some patients who could not get well. So the message IS getting out there.
Posted by MannaMe (Member # 33330) on :
Tammy, What are you doing to detox?
We are seeing my husbands LLMD today and want to ask about treating parasites......
We are hearing what you all are saying about parasites and thinking its time to go that route. He's been treating 1 1/2 years with some improvements.
Things have been slipping too much in the past month or so. Time to change something!
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
CD57 and MannaMe - that's great to hear.
As far as detox - daily coffee enemas have been my biggest help. Can't say enough about them. Google them and you will see how amazing they are.
btw - I have NO GI symptoms....never even complained of a stomach ache. And when I say I was loaded with parasites, I mean loaded. I am still surprised by this.
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
Guys believe me...just because people aren't posting on the parasite threads, they are still reading them.
Even though they mumble "whatever, that's just weird" under their breath.
They see the parasite symptom list and see most of their symptoms there.
The thought stays in the back of their mind...then, once they've been on every abx imaginable, seen the best LLMDs, etc with little improvement...that's when they start to realize "hey, i wonder if there is something to this parasite stuff?"
Then, like WPinVA said, that's when we try to muster up the courage.
That's exactly what happened to me. I remember about 2 months ago, I posted about crushing up 1 clove and eating it, thinking I was killing something
Then I tried a small child's dose of Humaworm...just testing out the parasite waters.
Now I'm on a full anti-parasitic regimine and actually making progress!
So parasite warriors, don't ever think your posts are falling on deaf ears.
Gael is right, repetition is key.
CD57: that's great that you will be starting anti-parasitics soon. Please let me know how you are doing.
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
Thanks lax mom.
It does remind me that I didn't pay much attention to Gael's posts for quite a while myself. I'm glad I finally listened. Now I'm trying to shout the message from the rooftops. Will keep at it. Thanks.
So glad to hear you are making progress! Just wait until you hit that next plateau. It's going to happen!! Then we can start a parasite choir.... we can all start singing the same tune. Haha.
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
Tammy/Gael, others, question: do you think that your symptoms were actually from parasites vs Lyme and coinfections, or just that treating parasites freed you up to address Lyme and co?
I don't really get it....all those infections are still there, but yet when the parasites are addresssed, the need to treat Lyme and co disappears?
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
I personaly think the symptoms were caused by mostly parasites, but also the other infections, metals, yeast and toxins being released as well. Parasites cause most of the horrific pain. They invade the joints and migrate to the brain and other parts of the body.
Apparently, the parasites are protecting the bacteria, so when the parasites are killed off the bacteria is more open and easier to get at and kill.
That's why Dr. K. treats parasites FIRST, and Lyme and co SECOND. Like peeling an onion so to speak. For me, the antiparasitics and salt/c killed the other infections as well. Hope i am explaining it correctly.
Gael
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
I often wonder if when we take all of the ABX to try and kill the bugs, we no longer have the good bacteria to attack the parasites like we did before - even if we take all kinds of good probiotics. So that could contribute to why so many are not getting better despite years of ABX.
Gael, I have been puzzled, though - about how the meds and herbs to treat parasites get to locations outside the gut - like the brain and lungs?
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
CD - it's hard to say for sure, but I think my symptoms were mostly due to parasites.
What I thought was Bart (buzzing, tingling, numbness, etc.) has greatly diminished by just doing anti-parasitics. I haven't done anything recently specifically for Bart, and the symptoms are just about gone. Truly amazing.
Posted by dogmom2 (Member # 23822) on :
tammy, i may try this with just warm water 1st to see how it goes(even smelling freshly brewed coffee gets me wired).could you post your helpful tips here or in a pm to me.
thanks
Posted by pooldog71 (Member # 21722) on :
Any opinions of doing the Salt/C protocol along with ABX?
Thanks for keeping this important subject to our attention.
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
dpbei,
I have often wondered the same thing about how the herbs treat infection outside the gut. It's probably the same way abx can kill a lung or ear infection outside the gut considering that the abx is swallowed and goes to the stomach and kills organisms in other parts of the body. Interesting isn't it? Maybe someone else can explain it better.
Gael
Posted by Talktel (Member # 7980) on :
Does parasite treatment irritate the colon more.
After reading everything, I'bm going to ask LLMD about it, but don't know how one with colon /GI issues tolerates that kind of treatment?
Is parasite treatment the same as biofilm?
Lax Mom, what you have to say is incerdible!
I'm so glad you see improvement!
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
Talktel: I'm on Lipohealth for biofilms.
Does anyone know if parasite treatment can worsen an already inflamed colon like Talktel is dealing with?
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
The colon is inflammed BECAUSE of the parasite infection. When you get rid of the parasites, eggs and larva the inflammation will go away. The parasite tx makes it better not worse because a lot of these herbs are also antibacterial (cloves)and antifungal as well as antiparasitic.
Gael
Posted by Talktel (Member # 7980) on :
Wow! I have to talk to my LLMD about this.
Lax Mom's results are so encouraging, that I want to try it.
Could any good LLMD deal with this?
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
Talktel - no parasites treatment does not necessarily address biofilm.
For biofilm, I think Boluoke (lumbrokinase) and Cistus tea are best.
Great that you are going to speak with your doc. I hope he/she is open-minded. Any good LLMD should be willing to help with this. Even if they are not completely familiar, as long as they are willing to help oversee you, that's all it takes. Share with them meds that Dr. K recommends. Or even, just to start, start with something like Humaworm or Parastroy then slowly start adding salt/c.
Good luck.
Posted by Talktel (Member # 7980) on :
thank you so much!
I will definitely talk to my LLMD about this!
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
I had parasites come out floating in the toilet surrounded by biofilm. Some of the pictures at www.lymephotos.com are pictured with biofilm as noted in certain photos.
The person who owns the lymephotos site was only on salt/c. I was on antiparasitic herbs, digestive enzymes and salt/c, so maybe it does address the biofilms as it was attached to the parasites.
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