I have been treating since 2007. I do have an LLMD, and recently have weaned off antibiotics. I feel stable but not totally better, so have been treating with herbs (andrographis, knotweed).
Anyway, recently I tried Salt/C. I have read a lot of posts on this board about it. Since I have been treating so long, I started at 1/2 tsp. sea salt and 1/2 tsp. C. I have done lower levels of salt before, with seemingly no effects.
Well---this time, two things happened: panic attacks and diarrhea. I'm not sure if this was a herx or not. It could be. I've had panic attacks before (prob. due to Bartonella?) When I first started abx. in 2009 I actually experienced what seemed to be a seizure before I started improving. Still, the salt protocol does somewhat concern me. Anyway, I guess I'm just wondering if anyone else has had this experience with Salt/C. If so, have you been able to continue? The panic attacks alone are enough to make me want to back off and try something else. But if it's actually helping, I guess that's another story. Very confusing!
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
It's probably killing parasites and parasites can cause panic attacks.
I don't know much about treating with it.
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
I had the diarrhea. I was up to 1 tsp each per day.
As soon as I returned to 1/4 tsp each per day the diarrhea went away.
I'm now up to 1/2 tsp. Going slow-plan to stay here at least two weeks before trying more.
I think it is just a matter of our bodies becoming accustomed to the increased Vitamin C.
Parasite Warriors thread has some reference to Salt C. There is a book available on Amazon-can't afford it at this time, but I have heard that it discusses the diarrhea.
Posted by nomoremuscles (Member # 9560) on :
There was one poster many years ago who said she developed kidney trouble from doing this, and, after stopping, over a year later, she still had trouble.
To be fair, she is the only one I have seen who had such a violent reaction. But I think it is important to understand that all these therapies we use carry potential danger -- danger that is never quite real until it hits us personally.
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
I started with 1/4tsp each salt and C and increased 1/4tsp per day when the herx calmed down. 1/2 tsp is probably too much to start with.
Like tutu said, parasites can cause anxiety and according to the lymephotos site, diarrhea is a sign of dieoff.
I would def continue with the salt/c especially since you are herxing from it and killing pathogens. Drink extra water through the day.
Salt/c saved my life along with antiparasitic herbs. Visit lymestrategies (folks on salt/c) for more guidance. Google parasite symptoms as well.
Gael
Posted by VV (Member # 38828) on :
I'm not into it. Tried it for months and didn't get any results. I gave it a shot for being open-minded, but my hunch is to not rely on it for anything. I doubt it's very effective for any of these diseases.
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
VV,
Curious as to what dose salt/c you worked up to? This is a VERY powerful protocol against this disease when done right and with added antiparasitic herbs.
Gael
Posted by VV (Member # 38828) on :
Gael, about 9g at the height and I also took the major parasite herbs along with DE.
Nothing.
Now doing ozone and saunas and seeing more effects.
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
IMO, everything we do and have done to treat has a cumulative effect on our ability to eliminate them. Many of them are microscopic. They are as resilient and determined to stay put as we are in our own homes. It took me a year of salt/c herbs, parasite meds and parasitic herbs for my body to say when it was going to happen. It's the salt/c that's doing it for me now.
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
Do you take the salt/C on an empty stomach?
Posted by kocon013 (Member # 41508) on :
Thanks for the replies!
I do wonder if the Salt/C was actually killing parasites.
Just to clarify: I only took 1/2 tsp. of salt/1/2 tsp of C, once a day for two days. The panic attacks came on the second day. They were very bad--I was sweating, and felt like an emotional trainwreck. For an hour or so I wondered if I should go to the hospital, but I stuck it out and eventually things calmed down. I had diarrhea the next morning.
Anyway, I might try re-starting at 1/4 tsp. of salt/C per day.
Is there any general knowledge from doctors about salt intake? I'm fairly certain that I don't have any sensitivity to it. I always eat a lot. I realize there are risks with any protocol, but if I would feel a lot more safe if I knew the panic attacks were a herx.
Kevin
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
UKcary-I mix my salt (sea salt, all natural), with powdered vitaminC in a litre of water. I add lime juice an a bit of stevia to taste. I drink from that litre throughout the day. I chase it with filtered water. I drink a lot of water a day, about 4L. 2 Litres while at work, plus the majority of my salt/c drinkn then about 2Ls more after I am home from work.
With food, away from food, doesn't matter-I just find it easier to take when it's in a drink form. Tablets are hard on my stomach. Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
Thank you, GretaM. I do eat quite a bit of salt (Himalayan) and take vit C with dinner, so I suppose that is a mini-version!
I was reading recently that fresh lime juice may act like a homeopathic to help detox release of formaldehyde, but I don't know how reliable the source was. I apparently have formaldehyde problems. I may try your method, so thanks again.
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
UK-that's fascinating about the lime juice. I'm going to look it up
Thanks
Posted by VV (Member # 38828) on :
A fruit is not a homeopathic medicine. I think you may be confusing terms for natural remedies.
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
No, I can see why you thought this, but the person who wrote about using lime to detox formaldehyde meant that it worked, like homeopathy, by using a substance related to the one you are trying to cure or get rid of:
of:http://www.lasvegasmikey.com/formaldehyde.htm
Posted by Pinelady (Member # 18524) on :
The Russians are using Salt/Milk enema's to get it out of the bowels. So we def. need lots of work but maybe your LLMD could come up with some idea's to help you. The German's are using Ozonated oils to hit pesky bugs with great success. And HBOT is also options we need. http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1301/1301.2845.pdf Posted by jlcd1 (Member # 18138) on :
you know it seems to help if I mix the dose in the morning and just sip it through the day, instead of all at once. When I do it all at once that's what gives me the diarrhea.
This was advice from glm1111 and it helped.
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
Kevin,
Anxiety is on the symptom list for parasites. You got them on the run from the salt/c because they hate it and they go crazy. The salt puts them into osmotic shock (dehydrates them) What you experienced was a def herx.
Try and go back on the salt/c starting at a lower dose and ramping up 1/4tsp a day according to how you are herxing. Wait until the herx dies down and then resume. Visit lymestrategies (salt/c group)
You would also benefit from the salt/c Plus book from Amazon for great guidance and what to expect.
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