i have a lot of osteo arthritis all over and it is confirmed with xrays
i guess its different than the normal muscle/joint pains with lyme
but i wonder how many have both
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Probably plenty of us.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- Lyme can cause osteo-arthritis. Lyme comes first for many, or later for others if treatment is delayed or deficient.
For me, when age 22, I had the first major sign of osteoarthritis. Lyme had started 3 years prior (1971) but I did not know that then. Would not know that until 1997 when diagnosed with lyme & 2 other TBD.
The nutritional deficiencies that lyme causes also plays a huge part, as you mention mitochondria. Lyme really can damage mitoc.
One of those abstracts connects lyme and osteoarthritis as far back as 1987 by (guess who?) Steere, who is now so (erroneously) vocal against chronic effects of lyme:
I have both and, although getting older has made it worse, the first problems started along with the other Lyme symptoms, so I would agree that there is a cause and effect relationship.
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
that is what I thought the reason I ask a question is the new lyme book that came out suggest it isn't that important but I may be reading wrong and I'm only a little ways in but I'm glad to know a lot of others have it I still don't understand what lyme arthritis is for sure but I guess it's different - doesn't show up on xrays or something doesn't involve breaking down of cartilage maybe I'm on the phone hope you can read this
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
I have a friend and she is so obvisious with osteo-arthritic. She's a big deer hunter with her husband every year. Has been for years. I've read and heard from deer and turkey hunters in KY, they have been attacked by hundreds.
She had all types of questions for me about lyme disease. She claims all these years hunting in KY she's never seen nympth or tiny deer ticks.
Had no clue that there was something so tiny as a period......that caused so many issues. I've never asked about her health issues. I was hoping she would talk about hers.
She didn't. I can tell by looking she has to have big time pain issues from head to toe.
Pam
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
its really HARD to see nymphs!
and yes...i often can tell by the way a person walks...really good chance it is lyme.
then you hear one or two things..."the pain moves around...or my neck creaks..." and you know.