I think this person is saying that low doses of Ivermectin for a long time got rid of their babesia?
Posted by BobG (Member # 39642) on :
CD57- I think so. Very hard to follow.
Posted by Kbone (Member # 43682) on :
Interesting I am on mepron for Babesia. Made me really sick for the first 5 weeks.
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
Mepron made me really sick also.
I had to quit after 3 weeks of the runs.
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
Hi,
Yes, it is a little hard to read. "Guided by Dr Q recommendations Anthelmintics are the way!"
Two top doctors have also told me the same thing. This is the last information they found last year and I wanted to share this with you. I shared some of the information in the past but wanted to bump this new information blog.
Posted by SickSci (Member # 43849) on :
I am new to treatment, but my higher Ivermectin dose 1 week ago has been the first time I felt a discernible herx and then a significant improvement, especially in mood and cognitive symptoms.
I feel like myself for the first time in a year. Hope it lasts...
Posted by marypart (Member # 27012) on :
All I know is that my son got well and he took lots of prescription and herbal anti-parasitic meds. This was before everybody was talking about
Ivermectin, so he didn't take that, put he took lots of other ones.
He tested positive for Babesia duncani... so maybe it was the anti-parasitic drugs that got rid of it.
It really seems like anybody who is not getting well should definitely go after parasites. Finding out that Ivermectin also helps a blood parasite like Babesia is really interesting.
Posted by SLML (Member # 42986) on :
MaryPart - I have Babesia Duncani and I a wondering what specific herbs/medicines your son used in his treatment. I would so appreciate you sharing this information as I have an LLND appointment coming up and may request what your son took! Thank you!
Posted by ms dixie (Member # 40818) on :
Ivermectin has definitely helped me! I rarely have breathing problems or asthma anymore after years of suffering. I still pulse it 2 - 3 times a week and have no side effects. I would rather pulse it than pop asthma meds all of the time and struggle to breathe. It has made a huge difference.
Posted by ms dixie (Member # 40818) on :
Ivermectin has definitely helped me! I rarely have breathing problems or asthma anymore after years of suffering. I still pulse it 2 - 3 times a week and have no side effects. I would rather pulse it than pop asthma meds all of the time and struggle to breathe. It has made a huge difference.
Posted by ms dixie (Member # 40818) on :
Ivermectin has definitely helped me! I rarely have breathing problems or asthma anymore after years of suffering. I still pulse it 2 - 3 times a week and have no side effects. I would rather pulse it than pop asthma meds all of the time and struggle to breathe. It has made a huge difference.
Posted by BobG (Member # 39642) on :
Why aren't more LLMDs prescribing Ivermectin for Babesia, especially duncani?
Posted by S13 (Member # 42830) on :
I think some are. Look at the protomyxzoa treatment from Corson. Or the parasite treatment from Klinghardt.
Posted by 2roads (Member # 4409) on :
Is protomyxzoa the same thing as the "bart" like organism it was called, or is this something else discovered?
Thanks
Posted by soccermama (Member # 35101) on :
S13, Where is Corson's protocol listed? Do you have a link?
Posted by S13 (Member # 42830) on :
@2roads; Im not sure. Who knows? There are a lot of similarities, but then again that goes for all co-infections. BLO does seem to react to different abx though. I dont think you can hit babs or any other protozoa with rifampin.
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
This is a really good presentation. I am very confused by the slides though, which also show "coccobaccili" embedded in there with a protozoa.
Coccobaccilli are NOT protozoa, they are different. But here I feel like this finding is being blown off, not addressed. Does Fry Labs think the coccobaccili are the same thing ?
Posted by SickSci (Member # 43849) on :
CD57 - My understanding is that Fry et al believe there are several types of protozoa that are the main contributors to biofilm; the idea is that other pathogens coexist in the biofilm communities (ie the coccobacili noted here). As you treat for the biofilm and protozoa, underlying pathogens are released.
FWIW, there are a few veterinary diseases with synergistic relationships between bacteria and larger pathogens that human medicine might learn from. For example, dog heartworm is strengthened by a bacteria (Wolbachia). If you treat the dog with doxy to kill the bacteria inside the heartworms, the heartworms are more susceptible to ivermectin tx.
As far as why it's not rx'd for babs, ivermectin has not traditionally been used as an antiprotozoal, even in veterinary medicine. This is experimental. My LLMD said anecdotally iver doesn't seem effective against babs.
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
SickSCi, thanks for that. So in theory, the protozoa treatment should open the coccobaccili to exposure to be killed by those meds? Ie; put it out in the open?
They seem to ignore bartonella, and I also read somewhere that they rarely see bartonella inside the biofilm which is interesting. What are those coccobaccilli, if not bart?
SickSci, do you have bartonella? I think I can tell by your protocol that you see my old doc who is in MD.
Posted by SickSci (Member # 43849) on :
In theory yes, but your question is totally logical. Where are you reading about biofilm contents?
I think in general there has been very little (ie zero) in VIVO study published for Lyme-related biofilms and the pathogen demographics. But there have been solid in vitro studies(ie Eva Sapi) and plenty of literature with other bacterial biofilms.
I think blood smears can be so helpful, and its a cheap diagnostic they don't teach in med school any more. BUT, I am a little conflicted about potential overinterpretation on the Fry blood smears. Those coccobaccilli in theory could be a non-bart form of bacteria, stain precipitate, contamination... hard to say without knowing Fry's proprietary stain details. Also, what they call biofilm could just be "nnuclear streaming" (ie smooshed WBCs), stain precipitate etc... it's hard for the medical establishment to trust a lone doctor (not even a pathologist, right?) without more rigorous peer-review...
And yet, I feel like I'm getting better with tx based off those labs, so I just dunno what to think.
Sorry if that's a rambling TMI!
(PM'd you re: the LLMD)
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