I hit the parasitic worms pretty hard the past few months with various herbs and think it really helped.
However I also got candida overgrowth in the digestive tract. I think the herbs wiped out the good flora and candida took over.
How do I prevent this as I know I need more parasite treatment?
Thanks. Hiker53
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
I hate yeast. Hate it.
A lot of herbs that treat parasites also can hit yeast, but, it seems for me strict diet is necessary.
We are at full moon now, and as it builds, I start craving carbs. And ice cream type treats with the heat. Yeast and parasites seem to go hand and hand.
Rotating probiotics helps some, too. But, diet.
Posted by SickSci (Member # 43849) on :
Dunno about y'all, but I never ever had a sweet tooth until starting treatment. I know the diet aspect is important for yeast overgrowth... but Blerg. I've already given up booze, caffeine, the occasional smoke for this stuff...
It *is* full moon tomorrow, isn't it!
I had an animal-like insatiable urge for sweets last night; must have downed an entire bag of riesens, werthers and some granola bars. Figured it was ovulation time (it is)...
But it constantly gives me pause how lunar cycles seem to coincide with some symptoms.
Have you guys seen an amazing difference in symptoms by cutting out moderate sugar?
Posted by desertwind (Member # 25256) on :
I agree that most of the herbs that treat parasites also treat yeast.
Have you tried a course of Nystatin? Probiotics? Byron White A-FNG?
Diet is HUGE for me and cutting out sugar is a must do.
Posted by SickSci (Member # 43849) on :
How have most of you diagnosed yeast overgrowth? Clinically? Stool test?
Posted by Robin123 (Member # 9197) on :
Yes - blood and stool test.
Posted by SickSci (Member # 43849) on :
which labs?
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Hiker, I do not think herbs kill good bacteria in the gut. I do know parasites harbor loads of lving things and when they die, they pour the stuff in your gut /body.
Not only candida, I believe, but borrelia and other bacteria too.
I suspect the candida is just part of cleaning-the-layers problems.
All people with candida suffer from heavy metals. Cleaning the metals are then necessary.
I am using MMS and the KPU protocol for that (candida and heavy metals). I no longer have lyme, but I do have sometimes candida (that is now fully dormant again, I suppose MMS does get it).
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
Sicksci-you are so funny! Thanks for the laughs Me too with sweets. I avoid them but is a daily fight!
Hiker-what about oil of oregano drop or even lauricidin and/or coconut oil.
Caprylic acid in coconut oil is supposed to be good for yeast
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Diet is HUGE if you have candida... and that is the hardest part!
SickSci said, "I had an animal-like insatiable urge for sweets last night; must have downed an entire bag of riesens, werthers and some granola bars."
That would be the #1 indication that you have yeast. It makes you crave sugar, more and more and more until you are sick, sick, sick.
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
Brussels,
How can herbs distinguish between good flora and bad flora? (Same with MMS--it cannot tell the difference between good bacteria and bad bacteria or good yeast vs bad yeast).
I am not arguing, just trying to understand.
Tutu-Someday I am going to be able to eat all the fruit and chocolate I want
I take clove, olive leaf extract, and black walnut, but plus am taking Purify--a mild parasite killer. Sometimes I need a few days break as the herbs upset the tummy and then the candida roars in.
Hiker53
Posted by linky123 (Member # 19974) on :
Olive leaf extract, tumeric, and coconut oil are all helpful for yeast overgrowth.
Posted by chaps (Member # 25286) on :
Hiker, to help you understand about MMS....
MMS is essentially an oxidative therapy. Therefore, it doesn't hurt aerobic bacteria, which are bacteria that thrive in oxygen and these are the "good" bacteria in the gut.
Anaerobic bacteria, however, are harmed by oxygen. The bad bacteria are anaerobic.
So MMS does not "tell the difference" between the good and the bad. It is just harmful to the bad ones and harmless to the good ones.
At least that's how it was explained to me.
Posted by anuta (Member # 22646) on :
From Dr.K. last conference: Dr. K. initially underestimated the role of Candida in chronic illness. It is the only bug that secretes over 600 known biotoxins and can modulate every aspect of our system. Taming it with diet is not very successful. Ozonated essential oils can be highly effective against it.
It is available on Biopure.
And I agree on MMS, so far for me it was the BEST treatment for protozoa and candida.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
Hiker, did you read Buhner's book on lyme (first one)?
One SINGLE plant = dozens or hundreds our thousands of chemicals.
What each chemical does, and how each acts in combination is something scientists can only guess.
No single plant had all chemicals being tested and studied, and probably, there is no time in a lifetime to do that. Even ONE single plant!!
The amount of possible combinations is too big to be tested.
We evolved with bacteria and plants, and plants are in fact, ancestors to animals. They have been here before us, and we depend on them for everything, from feeding to BREATHING, to healing.
Even fennel is known to have toxic components to humans. And cinammon too. We can though consume high amounts of fennel, even children, without being sick. How is that possible?
EVERYTHING has a bad toxic component inside. All foods, no exception.
How is that that fennel will feed you, and not make you sick then?
I guess the question is: how can you be here today, if you consume toxic stuff every single day since you were unicellular?
Without plants, no animal would be here. All plants have toxic components, if isolated. But they are not isolated, and act in combination.
How does an animal have the instinct to go after certain plants and consume them, either for FEEDING or for HEALING? Each plant is hundreds of components, why animals go for certain plants for certain diseases?
Some animals are still here, to prove that their instincts still work, somehow.
How can you be sure, you are NOT killing yourself when you consume anything? Not even 1% of chemicals contained in a single plant have been analyzed for toxicity, right?
How can we know we get nourishment from apples, fennel, tomato, carrots then and not poisoned by them?
I guess that's the same thing as with cats claw, andrographis, teasel, lavender. How can we know all the toxic contents of such plants are only killing bacteria and not ourselves?
Just because we are part of a larger picture, animals and plants evolving together. Some plants are known to have healing powers for ages...
In my view, if we exist today, is because plants were favorable to our development. If not, no way to get food and healing.
Most animal species will NEVER develop if they are not fed and healed by plants that already exist.
How can the plant know what is good and bad bacteria to kill = how can the plant know what is good nourishment and poison to you.
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