I am not doing well with diflucan. Can probiotics be enough?
Is there anything else one could take that targets only yeast (rx,supplement or herb)?
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- I would suggest instead of diflucan, OLE (only Seagate). Not only did it work much better it was easier on my body. Diflucan can be very hard on the liver. OLE helps the liver.
Probiotics are still required but the two work in totally different ways. If on antibiotics, IMO, you do need
1. Probiotics of various kinds. It's best to get from foods - miso, brewers yeast, fermented cabbage, etc, if possible but not yogurt as dairy can cause a lot of issues.
If you can "do" yogurt, do NOT eat the low fat kind. It's usually loaded with powdered milk & other fillers that has problems with the processing of it. If you do, eat only plain, organic whole milk yogurt from grass-fed cattle or goats.
Any regular yogurt can be made thicker by adding some Chia seeds and letting set in fridge overnight.
Be sure whatever you take is a top quality. There are some terrible "probiotics" out there that are not up to par.
2. anti-fungal targeting approach, be that Rx or specific herbal formula. IMO, nothing can come close to OLE. And I tried it all.
OLE Links -
Posted by seibertneurolyme (Member # 6416) on :
Diflucan is not absolutely necessary.
Hubby did not take it except for in preparation for clindamycin which is notorious for messing with G.I. bacteria.
S.boularrdi is one of the probiotics that I feel should definitely be included in the mix.
Hubby did take herbs from time to time as well as lots of probiotics. Olive leaf is one of the better ones - and yes I agree that Seagate brand is good. But he also thought the liquid olive leaf supplement was about as good - used Vitamin Shoppe brand I think.
There are numerous herbs that can help - it is just trial and error to see what will work for you.
Bea Seibert
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Almost all yogurt is full of sugar and/or chemicals.
I use sporanox but would love to be able to get off of it. My stomach can't handle the herbs.
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
No, I don't believe one has to.
I did not do clindy or septra though.
But I did doxy mino tindy biaxin rifampin zith mepron rocephin alinia in the last year in varying combinations.
Have not had yeast issues. But I never have, so maybe I am a lucky one who doesn't have a tendency towards candida.
But about a year before abx I was eating low carb, and ate low carb while on abx. Maybe that helped?
Also took 400 billion cfu throughout the day religiously and also consumed kefir and whole yogurt.
Florastor I also took while on tindi.
For vaginal flora I use New Roots Femina Flora weekly as a preventative.
My doc inspects tongues and asks a lot of questions about diet and digestion every appt.
He did not put me on any yeast meds, and when I brought it up he said I did not have to worry about yeast.
My tongue has never been white, even at the back.
Never had a yeast infection or skin candida infection. Maybe finally a good set of genes haha.
But I really do think it depends on the person and if they have had yeast issues all their lives, or used some of the heavier abx.
Aspergillus on the other hand...grrr got that.
Posted by hopeful4 (Member # 8486) on :
I was taking Nystatin for candida and not doing well on it.
Now using Oregano Oil capsules. It's helping. How do I know? Testing with AK (applied kinesalogy) determined to use the oregano oil.
Then I got re-checked, and learned it's helping. Also, feeling better.
Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
Oregano tears my stomach up something awful. Anything else I can use? Causes bad reflux.
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
If you're going off diflucan, you will need more than probiotics. You also need herbs or yeast killers.
Pau de arco, garlic, coconut oil, gse, etc. You can also take them food if they hurt your stomach.
CandibactrinBR worked great for me for a while. I had to rotate to other stuff though. Oregaresp works well too.
Posted by KarlaL (Member # 29631) on :
In my experience Nystatin is very gentle and effective.
It is also important to take high-dose high-quality enteric-coated probiotics. The enteric coating keeps the capsule from opening up in your stomach cavity and being exposed to your stomach acid. Enteric coated capsules open instead in your intestines where much more of the bacteria survive.
One of my daughters LLMDs recommends taking 200 billion units of probiotics a day. Each dose should be taken two to three hours after you take your antibiotics.
Probiotic brands that I recommend include Theralac and the Critical Care brand probiotics with GPS strains. GPS strains are bacterial strains that have actually been proven to be beneficial to humans in clinical trials.
Taking prebiotics with your probiotics provides the bacteria with the food that they need to multiply and survive in your intestines. PreBiota is a prebiotic product that I have found to be very useful.
Saccharomyces boulardii is a healthy yeast that competes with the unhealthy candida yeasts and should be taken in addition to probiotics. It should be taken two hours after Nystatin. It can be taken the same time as antibiotics.
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
Probiotics alone are not enough if you have a yeast or candida problem.
I feel that whatever antifungals you use, it is sensible to rotate them to avoid resistance rather than rely on any one. I had some help from Thorne's SF722, Herbpharm's Fungus Fighter, Uva ursi, but none were enough on its own.
Different antifungals suit different yeasts/different people: OLE, for example, didn't do anything for me. There are some specific rotated herbal plans available.
Posted by NH_Hiker (Member # 43676) on :
I found Nystatin to work the best for me. I tried oregano and garlic, killed my stomach.
Posted by kara (Member # 42590) on :
How far should antifungals/antibacterials like oregano oil, nystatin, GSE, caprylic acid, etc be taken away from antibiotics? How far should they be taken away from mushroom supplements and probiotics?