I have been diagnosed with both lyme and candida. I am not sure if my symptoms are because of Lyme or candida but I can tell you that almost all of them are GI related, so it seems like its candida.
Anyways, my lyme doctor gave me doxy abx but I am concerned that the candida will get worse if I do that. On the other hand, if I kill the candida first, I could potentially get rid of all my symptoms (if the symptoms are coming from candida)
What have you guys heard? What would you suggest?
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- Lyme most certainly can cause severe GI symptoms and leaky gut.
Candida can as well but, sorry to say, if you have been diagnosed with lyme, simply treating candida will NOT be enough. Not by a long shot.
Still, IMO, since you've been ill for over a year, I would certainly start both probiotics, OLE -- and a gluten-free and dairy-free diet for at least a week before starting antibiotics.
It may be that month - or more - might be better as it can take up to a month to work up to the optimal dose of OLE, sixteen capsules a day (as per Walker, see OLE links in your previous thread).
The gluten-free and dairy-free diet should continue. At some point, you might want to get a genetic test for CELIAC as that is certainly warranted for anyone with GI trouble.
OLE does have some antimicrobial action beyond candida and while not solely enough to address lyme, could help a bit at the start to do first in order to help clobber candida. But ONLY Seagate brand for reasons posted in a previous thread of your.
While candida was totally under control the last time I went on doxycycline, SEAGATE OLE totally kept it from causing me a drop of trouble. But it did require up to sixteen capsules a day - the entire time that antibiotics are taken and for a while afterward. Take a couple hours away from Rx and from Probiotics.
Though the oral tincture that Seagate now makes can be used to soak your mouth as you need.
Well worth it for me, after many decades with candida over time.
Likely you are already avoiding all simple / refined carbohydrates / processed foods. Vital.
Also assumed that no alcohol is on board. And even fizzy drinks, no matter how otherwise healthful, the fizz can just eat through the stomach lining.
You'll need to stay out of the sun - totally - when taking doxycycline. And, doxycycline alone will not be enough. You should be on a combination of antibiotics and another drug to help combat the cystic form of lyme that antibiotics won't touch.
Be sure you have a true LLMD - and first discuss any questions about all this with her / him. good luck -
[ 07-02-2015, 03:41 AM: Message edited by: Keebler ]
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- Doxycycline cautions:
1. avoid sunlight on your skin (even "bounced" sun) even for weeks after course is done; [however, lyme treatment for someone who has apparently had it for a couple years will take a while, a month is not going to cut it, sorry]
2. Food with doxy. But no dairy. Do not take with any multi minerals, either. A substantial meal, in the middle with some food before and after the doxycycline really matters.
Protect stomach but do not take a PPI - proton pump inhibitor (they have some negative effects). take doxy with a substantial snack or meal - in the middle so you've got some food before and after
Avoiding gluten can help with the stomach, too.
3. keep torso as close to upright as possible for at least 30 minutes after doxycycline taken so as to help protect esophagus from the irritation it can cause if lying down.
Depending upon the angle of the particular chair, the most upright position of a recliner MIGHT be okay if you must rest your head or put your feet up, just don't slink down. -
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
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Posted by TF (Member # 14183) on :
My lyme doctor treated me for candida before starting me on treatment for lyme and coinfections.
This is the best approach because while you are on high-dose combos of antibiotics, you are just going to do all you can to keep the candida down to a tolerable level.
Then, at the end of treatment, you treat candida again and restore the gut.
That was what my lyme doc did for me. It was wonderful.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
I agree.. Attack the candida and see how you feel. It's a tough cookie. OOPS.. no cookies! Posted by CherylSue (Member # 13077) on :
good info on candida
Posted by jwick25 (Member # 15190) on :
Interesting approach to treatment!
My LLMD gave my doxy and Fluconazole to take together (but hours apart of course).
I wonder if I should just be doing the candida treatment first.....?
Good luck, rowenofpts!
Posted by TF (Member # 14183) on :
I just want to clarify my post. My lyme doc treated me for candida for ONE WEEK prior to starting treatment.
I had had some candida episodes before going to him, so that is why he did that. I did not have candida currently.
So, I would not delay antibiotic therapy for a long time while trying to get rid of candida. The top notch lyme doc I know gives diflucan to be take during treatment to keep the candida down to a minimal level, knowing that for someone with on-going candida, you are not going to be able to get rid of it totally until antibiotic therapy is finished.
Posted by CherylSue (Member # 13077) on :
Thanks for info on retreating info after abx therapy.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by TF:
So, I would not delay antibiotic therapy for a long time while trying to get rid of candida. The top notch lyme doc I know gives diflucan to be take during treatment to keep the candida down to a minimal level, knowing that for someone with on-going candida, you are not going to be able to get rid of it totally until antibiotic therapy is finished.
- True .. you could be waiting a long long time if you try to get rid of it completely before starting Lyme treatment. Just get it knocked down a bit and move on.
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