My husband got bit yesterday by a tick. I would like to know the most up today protocol for doxycycline.. how many milligrams per dose, how many doses per day and for how many weeks.
We started rife too but he is so dang non compliant with things I thought it best to just start the doxy and see if we can get past this.
Not sure if he has lyme. We are doing this prophylactically.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- If lyme might be in the mix,
Doxycycline, alone, can cause chronic lyme to develop (though it may be later in time when the cyst form would "wake up" - doxy causes the spirochetes to go into cyst form and lie in wait).
I would not take doxy while also treating with a rife machine. See Brian Rosner's book as to why not.
Addressing other possible tick borne infections at this stage would also be advantageous with a rife machine, it seems to me.
Best to consult an ILADS educated LL ND about how to handle rife for a new bite, though.
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Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
I would want 200 mg twice a day for 4-6 wks .. without the Rife.
He can rife later.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- A very important thought, though, is that if rife is used now, there will not need to be a later disease develop. However, such a consideration should be discussed with an ILADS educated LL ND first. (LLMDs are not allowed to discuss rife). -
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
LLMD's can discuss rife IF the patient ASKS them about it.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- It's a bit tricky. MDs are not allowed to bring up the topic of rife with a patient.
Yes, a MD can chat a little bit IF the patients first ASKS about rife.
But, a MD is not allowed to suggest any particulars. They can share what other patients may have told them as a conversation, just not guide treatment with frequency numbers or specifics.
This is how one LLMD explained it to me. When I asked he told me that he had had several patients turn to rife and he assumes some got better but was rather disappointed they did not return (or get in touch with him) so that he could know more. He genuinely wanted to know how it worked out for them.
Still, he was clear that even if he knew more about the specifics, by law, rife being deemed "experimental" he would not be allowed to directly suggest or "prescribe" how to go about it.
A LL ND (naturopathic doctor) can do that, though not all have that kind of knowledge or experience.
I caution against have a regular ND who is not ILADS educated and thoroughly lyme literate guide treatment with a rife machine, though, that nearly killed me due to their lack of lyme literacy. -
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
You really don't need much guidance for rifing. I found Bryan's book to be an invaluable resource.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- That is true. Good point. I don't know if he discuss "first bite" sort of stuff. It just seems that it could be marvelous tool in such instances. What if very Urgent Care had one, eh?
If antibiotics are used for a bite and the Rx used to help prevent cystic form (flagyl) is not available,
it might be a good idea to also take grapefruit seed extract (first, before the first dose of Rx and then timed away from Rx so that Rx is not too quickly moved out of the body) so as to, perhaps, help mitigate cystic formation. A LL ND would know more about this, though.
I'm not sure if GSE is better suited for cystic form or for BIOFILM (another matter important to address from day one), as I get those confused sometimes as which helps what but they are not the same (even if some things might help both). -
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
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Posted by Carmen (Member # 42391) on :
He still has not decided what he wants to do and so far no appointment at the clinic.
He has rifed one time, last night, for lyme and bart. Hoping he will agree to it tonight also. Having one chronic lyme in this house has been enough!
He actually got bit 3 times by the same tick. His foot is swollen today.
I was not aware that doxy pushed the lyme in to cyst form... wonder how they figured that out? My neighbor got lyme last summer and had the bull's eye rash and it appears that doxy cured her.. no further problems..but I guess time is the great revealer
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
Personally, I would follow Lymetoo's suggestion of doxy 200-400 mg (depends on his size) twice a day for 6 weeks.
My neighbor just got bit a few months ago and he is fine with this protocol. Had the classic rash, but never got the symptoms.
Posted by Judie (Member # 38323) on :
Honestly, I tried doing alternative for a new tick bite. That's what made me chronic. 2 months of doing alternative and my whole body collapse under the weight of the infections. I had to take doxy to stop the decline.
Posted by Carmen (Member # 42391) on :
We have the tick in the freezer. Is there any place to send it to see if it has lyme?
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Igenex.. But don't expect the test to be completely iron-clad. Happened to me once. I got on doxy right away, sent the tick in, got sick 9 days later.
Three weeks later I got the report that the tick did not have babesia or Lyme. I begged to differ!
The good news is that I had already been treated .. I was actually off meds when it happened, but I recovered within about 6-8 wks.
Carmen, poor you. Have you tried the Tesla wand on the bite? I would put some killing oils (thyme or peppermint, olbas, or rub garlic there) and do the Tesla wand on the bite. At least, you may get some of the local bacteria killed.
Dr. K's right hand suggested me to tape a garlic slice on the bite during the night (during the day, if he doesn't mind smelling garlic, you can let it there).
If his immune system is strong, he won't fall sick. In my feeling, abx will cause more trouble for a healthy immune system (as it destroys the helpers too). But we all have been traumatized by the disease, and I know the decision is only yours.
I did use doxy at a few occasions, and while I think it helped for initial symptom relief, on the second week, I had only disadvantages (tummy ache, diarrhea, going downwards).
My husband has been bitten first time in his life this summer. I did nothing, as the tick tested fine. I only rubbed my Olbas oil there. But we do take some homeopathic borrelia to avoid ticks with borrelia, that is why I'm not too worried for him... It's been already a couple of weeks, so far so good.
Rife would be a perfect idea. Just run the different frequencies....
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- Brussels' thoughtful reply sparked this in my brain:
Homeopathic LEDUM
may be of help at the time of the tick bite. I don't know its effectiveness in days or a week afterward, though. It did not work at all for me years later as one ND thought it might. What I later read is that it's best for the 1st kind of First Aid.
It's not at all "all" I would do by any means but for a start, out and about, first move. -