My LLMD recommended pepto-bismol as an additive to a round of anti-fungals. He said that yeast, like lyme build up bio-films and that pepto-bismol can help break them down.
Have other folks used pepto for bio-film?
Do folks have other over the counter bio-film breakers they trust?
Thanks!
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Posted by Blymey919 (Member # 47424) on :
Interesting. Haven't heard that one. But there are a number of constituents in many things that can act against biofilms.
Different things work for different people so matter of finding what works for you. I've had good success with Lumbrokinase, Cumunda, Neem, Cinnamon Bark and several essential oils.
My LLMD also told me about the following book that was informative - 'Combating Biofilms' by Dr S, MD,MAR
(Editing out doctor's name per Lymenet T&Cs)
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Posted by bluelyme (Member # 47170) on :
Bismuth in pepto is supposed to be anti spirochette. .i think buhner mentions it...take care as it has high amounts of aluminum though. .. for biofilms in gut gse is supposda be good ..
i have been using anti parasite formula with clove wormwood ,wormseed anid oil of oregano..sf722 is good for candida with monolaurin and ol nystatin
..keebler mentioned palsy of the gut coming with lyme complex which i think my dad has...that a nerve thing though..
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Posted by tulips (Member # 44773) on :
I use a pinch of Xylitol and Lactoferon twice a week.
Posted by sillia (Member # 23994) on :
Systemic enzymes, like Wobenzyme (there are other good ones) are supposed to be good for breaking up biofilms. My LLMD is a big believer in these. I'm not sure how/whether that applies to a fungal problem--different ecologies may require different approaches.
I can't tolerate the systemic enzymes in the high doses they recommend. However, I do use them occasionally for pulsing--a day or two before getting back on an antibiotic for spirochetes, for example.
Your LLMD may be right and if it was me I'd go ahead and try the Pepto if it's short term.
Posted by Brussels (Member # 13480) on :
"Cistus is more potent than any other agent known for biofilms. Crosses the blood-brain barrier and is 100% absorbed in the gut. It is antiviral. Can rebrew the tea 4 times. Whitens the teeth (also a biofilm which causes yellow teeth), body fluid smells and odors reduce." -- Dr. Klinghardt
CYSTUS052, a polyphenol-rich plant extract, exerts anti-influenza virus activity in mice. Droebner K, Ehrhardt C, Poetter A, Ludwig S, Planz O.
Source Friedrich-Loeffler-Institut, Institute of Immunology, Paul-Ehrlich Str. 28, D-72076 Tübingen, Germany.
Abstract
Influenza, a respiratory disease caused by influenza viruses, is still a worldwide threat with a high potential to cause a pandemic.
Beside vaccination, only two classes of drugs are available for antiviral treatment against the pathogen.
Here we show that CYSTUS052, a plant extract from a special variety of Cistus incanus that is rich in polymeric polyphenols, exhibits antiviral activity against a highly pathogenic avian influenza A virus (H7N7) in cell culture and in a mouse infection model.
In vitro and in vivo treatment was performed with an aerosol formulation, because the bioavailability of high molecular weight polyphenols is poor.
In MDCK cells, a 90% reduction of plaque numbers on cells pre-incubated with the plant extract was achieved.
For in vivo experiments we used a novel monitoring system for influenza A virus-infected mice that allows measurement of body temperature and gross motor-activity of the animals.
Mice treated with CYSTUS052 did not develop disease, showed neither differences in their body temperature nor differences in their gross motor-activity and exhibited no histological alterations of the bronchiolus epithelial cells.
Effects of Cistus-tea on bacterial colonization and enzyme activities of the in situ pellicle
Christian Hannigemail address , Bettina Spitzmüller , Ali Al-Ahmad , Matthias Hannig
Abstract Objectives
Polyphenols are expected to have antibacterial properties. Cistus is a tea rich in polyphenols.
The aim of the present in situstudy was to investigate the effect of Cistus-tea on the pellicle and on the initial oral biofilm.
Methods
For in situ pellicle formation and initial biofilm formation, bovine enamel slabs were fixed on maxillary splints and carried by four subjects at buccal sites for up to 2h.
Bacteria present in 120-min pellicles were determined with DAPI-staining and fluorescence in situ hybridization with and without a 10min rinse with Cistus-tea performed 1min after incorporation of the slabs.
In addition, amylase, lysozyme, glucosyltransferase and peroxidase activities immobilised in the pellicle layer were measured before and after rinsing for 10min with Cistus-tea.
Results
The amount of bacteria detected in the 120-min biofilm was reduced significantly, if a 10min rinse with Cistus-tea was performed one min after insertion of the enamel slabs.
DAPI-staining yielded 13.2±3.5 for controls and 6.5±1.1×104bacteria/cm2, if a rinse with Cistus-tea was applied.
Lysozyme, amylase and glucosyltransferase activities immobilised in the pellicle were not affected following a rinse with Cistus-tea.
However, peroxidase activity was reduced significantly.
Conclusions
Cistus-tea may be used to reduce the initial bacterial adhesion in the oral cavity.
Just for your knowledge, cistus incanus tea is not expensive, and I could find it easily in healthy food shops here in Germany.
It is a herb used for lyme for very long, here in Germany. Many people here recommended me that tea when I first got sick with lyme more than 10 years ago.
While alone it didn't cure my lyme, I didn't know it had anti-biofilm properties till recently.
The taste is not bad either.
I use it on and off, with other teas. It often tests energetically positive, that's when I take it, usually, and now I know why (anti viral, anti biofilm).