Herbs simply haven't done the trick for me, including oil of oregano and neem. Anyone here try either of these drugs and can advise on side effects and it it helped, etc.?
Thanks
Posted by TF (Member # 14183) on :
Once you have yeast, nystatin will NOT get rid of it. People are given nystatin to help prevent yeast.
Diflucan always worked for me. BUT, you must be on a strict anti-yeast diet and cleanse your mouth daily and up to 3 times per day to prevent yeast from going into the gut with each swallow.
I followed the Burrascano instructions to do this. You can use peroxide and water (half and half) to cleanse the mouth. See page 34
If you have had yeast for a long time and are currently on antibiotic therapy, sometimes the most you can hope for is to keep the yeast down to a manageable level until you are finished with antibiotics.
Do not cheat on the diet. If you do, you just feed the yeast and then you will never get it under control. Yeast is a normal part of the gut. But, when taking antibiotics, all of that normal flora can get killed. The first to grow back is the yeast. So, you end up with a yeast overgrowth. That shows up as the white coated tongue, bloating, etc.
So, starve it out!
Posted by Xelaetaks (Member # 44016) on :
Thanks. An llmd wants me to take fluconazole before getting on antibiotics again for lyme. I also think I've been getting a little addicted to foods that have some sugar like pancakes, etc.
I guess I could just stop eating that stuff though. If I had soups every day I think I'd be fine on food. I wonder if coconut yogurt by Chobani is too much sugar.
I'll try to get more strict about candida diet though. No grains, dairy, sugar and keep with protein and salads, etc. I think I'll try to be on the diet a week before taking fluconazole to make it stronger. Also I may try to pulse it at first cause I heard it's hard on the liver.
Posted by shoeless joe (Member # 45835) on :
Tough to beat,probably impossible eating carbs.
Maybe you can get away with a very limited carbs depending on you infestation.
Im a big fan of garlic pearls by slogar
Garlic I believe can cross the BBB and certainly you can smell it in you skin.
It is powerful stuff and sends me into severe herxhiemers I always have to back down from so I would go slow.
That three to four day mark of taking the garlic pearls is usually the herxing point for me.
Posted by TF (Member # 14183) on :
Pancakes are made out of flour, so they turn completely into sugar in your mouth. Then, if you put syrup on them, forget it! Why even try to get rid of yeast. It will never happen.
You should clean up the diet and then go on Diflucan for 1 week before starting up on antibiotics again. That is what my lyme doc had me do.
One week of diflucan is not hard on the liver. Some lyme patients take it for months. Now, THAT is hard on the liver.
Yogurt has to be plain, unsweetened. If it has sugar in it, it is the wrong kind of yogurt.
Yeast can make you as sick as lyme and can remain for the rest of your life even after you are rid of lyme. If you knew how devastating it can be, you would not hesitate to change your diet and eat properly as long as on antibiotics.
You can eat quinoa porridge for breakfast. Make a big batch to last for a few days. Here is the recipe:
OLE Links -
Posted by Xelaetaks (Member # 44016) on :
Thanks, I will check out that OLE.
TF- i do mostly keep a good diet but have slipped in the past few months, I plan to get serious about it again though. It became discouraging to me after being sick so long, but now that I have a treatment plan it seems as good as any time to follow a stricter diet protocol.
Quoina seems like a good food to have in general, I'll check out that recipe.
I've experienced garlic being powerful too but it is hard on my stomach and I have parasite issues too. I think I would add garlic as maintenance after treating a while. I find some herbs have potential to make parasites scatter with me, so I'd probably try them again after being on some medications for a while.
Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
definitely diflucan for me. nystatin liquid did squat
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- Just be sure to have liver support on board with diflucan, it can stress the Cytochrome P-450 detox pathway "highway" so liver support is vital to help protect the liver from the Rx as much as help it do its work. -
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- In regard to the drug classification discussed above:
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Antifungal antibiotics [includes Fluconazole / Diflucan] -
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Sporanox is "good" too. (if you are going the drug route)
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- Looking at Wiki, Sporanox looks interesting and broader action.
All considerations can take a while to sort out (and for most sticky considerations, there can be things to help offset those, I like to think)
. . . I will say this about Diflucan, it can work fast against candida and can be very nice in that regard.
It can also have some effects working against lyme.
It really turned me around more than once when nystatin and nizoral failed. Brain fog and exhaustion lifted nicely (though there can be a major candida die-off at the start).
I recall the first time I took it, the next day I woke up and I could THINK.
Other times, after having been off antibiotics for a while and no issues at all with candida, when having to go back onto antibiotics, I started first for a few days with OLE and then added the abx.
For a couple months, taking both (separate timing) there was zero problem with candida. So I know that OLE can do fine on its own in preventing candida overgrowth at least, when candida is not an issue at the start. (I took it the top dose, as in Walker's book),
OLE also has various other beneficial properties. For long term use, safer and supportive of the liver so it worked for me. -
Posted by Xelaetaks (Member # 44016) on :
I have milk thistle on hand for liver support, so in between medicine protocols I'd definitely add that in.
Posted by bluelyme (Member # 47170) on :
I am using nystatin powdrr and pulsing diflucan 3x a week ..it is keeping at bay ..rifing actually has helped and fire tree bark ..gunna try ole oil pulling and mass amount of pbx ..did you ever do parasite protocal?
Posted by Xelaetaks (Member # 44016) on :
I've done multiple parasite protocols but I think I need to start using the meds again as my head symptom- feeling on right side of my head is non stop. (MRI's in the past show as clean so I'm not wasting more time with neurologists now).
I feel like I may need albendazole long term or get the guts to take triclabendazole for flukes. I fear if I took that I may have intense die off since it feels like parasites are in my neck side of head as weird as that sounds.
I've taken ivermectin, albendazole, praziquantel for worms. I felt decent from ivermectin but it doesn seem to be doing much and is hard on my kidneys so I think I may be done with iver.
According to diagnostechs they showed a positive result for a tapeworm. I don't know how accurate their tests are? But I'd imagine it means something. The doctor who ordered it for me said it means an active infection.
So I think I'll try to split my first dose in half, if no side effects than a second half of the dose 8-12 hours later. I know fluconazole has a long half life so I do wanna try to be careful.
I will read about OLE too, I do have low blood pressure though, so that would be one concern for me with taking that.
Also once I start antifungals then I have lyme abx and my doctor said to take albendazole every month throughout the full moon cycle.
Posted by me (Member # 45475) on :
My LLMD said diflucan crosses the blood-brain barrier.
Posted by garnet10 (Member # 48181) on :
Well, I have taken various high quality acidophilus daily for years, have eaten a ketogenic diet for the past 6 weeks, started antibiotics (doxycycline and tinidazole) along with Florastor 2 caps twice a day 4 weeks ago as well as Ohira probiotics 2 times a day, Klaire Therbiotic in evening, and I now have thrush!
Started Diflucan a week ago and it's better, but still present.
I'm considering discontinuing the antibiotics until I can get the thrush under control.
I have added on Kyolic Garlic twice a day, Threelac, and have Candex on order.
I am seriously considering stopping antibiotics until the yeast is under control. Thoughts?
Posted by TF (Member # 14183) on :
Weren't you treated for cancer recently?
Posted by TF (Member # 14183) on :
The cyst-busting drugs (metronidazole and tinidazole) cause yeast very easily. You likely won't get rid of the yeast until you stop the tini.
See p. 15 of Burrascano.
Your immune system could be low also due to the steroid shot months ago and the cancer treatment. So, you are going to be susceptible to yeast.
If you are not already doing so, I suggest you do the Burrascano exercise program to boost your immune system. You can't get rid of lyme without getting your immune system back to normal. This particular exercise program will do it.
Posted by garnet10 (Member # 48181) on :
quote:Originally posted by TF: The cyst-busting drugs (metronidazole and tinidazole) cause yeast very easily. You likely won't get rid of the yeast until you stop the tini.
See p. 15 of Burrascano.
Your immune system could be low also due to the steroid shot months ago and the cancer treatment. So, you are going to be susceptible to yeast.
If you are not already doing so, I suggest you do the Burrascano exercise program to boost your immune system. You can't get rid of lyme without getting your immune system back to normal. This particular exercise program will do it.
Then I may have to stop the Tinidazole. I'm now on Amoxicillin 1 gm and Probenecid 500 mg three times a day.
I did everything to create the proper milieu to avoid yeast, but it happened anyway.
Posted by garnet10 (Member # 48181) on :
Burrascano actually recommends Chlorox in water for thrush.
Posted by Xelaetaks (Member # 44016) on :
Does anyone know why the fluconazole drug side effects list has so many?
It is keeping me from taking the drug and I'm not sure anything else will do the trick with candida for me.
Thanks!
Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
I wish there was a really good otc antifungal. used to use threelac but had severe reaction, I mean severe, so stopped.
doesnt humaworm have a candida protocol? ive just had 3 dr appts in 2 weeks. I can't afford any more.
and, yes, my dr did not believe in systemic yeast and changed drs. I asked specifically for pill form diflucan for a bad external yeast problem. she gave me nystatin cream and a steroid cream to combine. said external yeast has nothing to do with candida.
and this new dr is the chief of staff at this womens hospital so she should be ok right?