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Fogwood
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Hello,

Just wanted to express some thoughts on my doxycycline experience since starting only about a month ago. Have been discovering just how it is affecting me.

It takes much more time to digest meals and I must wait a couple of hours before going to bed a night after eating, or the morning brings on what feels like herexing. Spacing the pills and any food intake is a problem.

After a day of salmon fishing, lathered up with spf 50 sunscreen, wearing long pants and long sleeve shirt and large brimmed hat with sunglasses, I thought it was ok. Never before has the backs of my hands been so badly burned. Clear Zinc
Oxide spf 45 seems to work better.

If herxing means that the chets are dieing and giving off toxins, then what ever you do to herx that doesn't weaken your immune system is good. But if you don't herx, it might mean that you don't have any Spirochetes to die *or* that they
are just not dieing. This be the case, why do you get these symptoms at the onset of the disease?

This is a really confusing disease is more ways than one...

Be well,
fog

...just read LaureenP's post about herxing, guess my herxing comments are a little na�ve. Since I'm so new at this and haven'e even seen a LLMD yet, I've got a long way to go.

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Fog,
Just so you know, doxycycline is notorious for causing sun sensitivity. I couldn't tell for certain, based only on what you posted, whether you are aware of that or not. In other words, sun sensitivity is a side-effect of doxycycline which occurs in everyone who takes it, not just in those persons who have LD.

It's good that you found Laureen's topic about Herxheimer reactions. If you search other similar topics pertaining to Herxing, you will find even more answers. The search function is located in very small letters up at the top of the page, right below where it says "Post Reply". Likewise, if you do a search about doxycycline, you will find even more information that way, also.

PS - I'm editing to add that you will find more on both of these two topics in the Medical Forum than you will here in the Forum for General Support.

[This message has been edited by TX Lyme Mom (edited 01 May 2004).]


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Sounds like the doctor you are seeing isn't used to prescribing doxy at the doses used for Lyme.

Sun sensitivity is a big issue, especially in CA in the summer. As you've noticed, sunscreen is not enough.

Everybody I know wears gloves, longsleeves, hats, and heavy duty sunglasses. Cotton gardening gloves can work. I found that the longer I was on doxy, the more sensitive I became. I had to wear the gloves even when driving short distances. You can get burned through the closed windows.

Pay especial attention to hands, ears, nape of the neck. I know you're a guy, but I kept a big scarf in the car to cover any area the sun was shining on.

Also, make sure you protect your eyes. Good quality sunglasses are a must!

As to the eating issues. Doxy is notorious for causing nausea. Are you eating it with a good sized meal? No dairy, but a good amount of protein and some carbs can help. I would eat half my meal, take the doxy, then eat the rest of the meal.

What problems are you referring to about spacing food? You SHOULD take doxy with food, unlike tetracycline. Is it just the dairy issue?

You are right, no lying down for an hour after taking doxy, or you can burn the esophagus.

Are you also taking probiotics, like acidophilus and bifidus? These are very important to keep the digestive tract in shape.

Antibiotics kill off the beneficial bacteria in the GI tract, which need to be rep[laced. Take a couple of good quality probiotic capsules two hours after taking the doxy.

Sorry to hear things are being tough. Once again, I really recomend you see a doctor who has more experience. I know it is hard where you are located, but in the long run you may find it worth it!


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Riversinger,
Wow, I thought the doxy was to be taken 2 1/2 hr. from any food. The label on the bottle says "Do not take with food or milk unless otherwise directed". This could be a major break through for me not to have it control my day so much.

I am aware the dairy is not to be taken with it. Last night I had a lot of yougurt and probiotics 2 1/2 hrs. after the doxy and feel great this morning! And the backache let me sleep.

Discovered I have a yeast infection. Something else deal with now. Not sure what do about it.

Thanks very much for the help.
fog


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Hi Fogwood,

You may want to try a sunscreen that is Austrialian Standard. Their standards are much more strict that the US.

you can go to http://www.crownlaboratories.com and order Blue Lizard sun block


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How do you know you have a yeast infection?

If it is just oral, or in the Gi tract, your doctor could prescribe nystatin. If it is more systemic, they might use Diflucan. Ask your doctor, you don't want that to get out of control.

Yeast is why you want to take probiotics. It's possible that taking the probiotics will help if the yeast is not bad. But check with your doctor to be sure.

Glad to hear that I could help with the food issues. Doxy is no fun on an empty stomach!

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The yeast probably isn't as bad as I thought... tongue is a little white. I'm trying to stay away from the doctor visits since they are so expensive. Just want to keep it in check... nip it off at the bud as they say. Don't know if it's normal to have a little yeast while taking abx or not.

Started on a regimen of not being too concerned how close to eating I take the doxy pills. This allows me to pop some probiotics before going to bed at night. And feel great this morning. Thanks.


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I have been on doxy 400mg/day for a lttle over 2 weeks. Does everyone get sunsensative? I'm not sensitive to the sun. I wonder if it is not being absorbed. Also, no herx......maybe doxy isn't working for me. Yikes!
robi

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Hi Robi,
Well, I'm not sensitive to sun either. I spend a lot of time outside on boats, gardening, bike riding and rarely wear a hat.

Be careful, I'd try a little at a time. The backs of my hands got so burned it looks like some weird rash. All parts that were not covered were burned. Sun screen is useless.

As I understand it, the herx might come on about a month after infection. I did for me, at least I think it did as it was much more milder than at infection. The body pain is mostly constant, so the herx might have been my imagination.


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I was on Doxy for awhile. I found that I had to make sure I was eating calcium additives in foods and also not taking other minerals. The calcium binds up the Doxy or prevents it from working. No alcohol too. I also found that eatting at least 25 gm of fiber a day hels the GI tract. The fiber keeps the walls cleaned off and allows for more absorbtion of everything even the Doxy.
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robi,

Just because you are not sun sensitive(or herxing) on doxy, doesn't mean it's not working. I was on doxy for like 2 years, and in the very beginning I wasn't sun sensitive, but later on , there were periods I was.

It can strike you when you least expect it so be prepared.

Jack


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