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Posted by Lishs mom (Member # 2344) on :
 
Fort Detriech, (note the german name?), who has had a close connection with Plum Island (a govt facility working on Biologicals) has the following bacterias in their present arsenal of bacterias: Now Plum Island and the CDC claim that they have "never experimented" with ticks on plum island...however we know that is untrue based on documented evidence. They also claim they have never worked with tick borne illnesses, So, I guess the question at hand would be...if they never did, why are they in the "removal" project?


US Army Corps of
Fort Detrick
Area B-11 Removal Project Status

List of Potential Biological Materials*
Bacterial Materials:* Acinetobacter baumannii (formerly A. calcoaceticus) Actinobacillus - all species Actinomycetaceae - all members Aeromonas hydorophila Arachnia propionica Arizona hinshawii - all serotypes Bacillus anthracis Bacteroides - all species Bartonella - all species Bordetella - all species Borrelia recurrentis, vincenti Brucella -all species Campylobacter [Vibrio] foetus, jejuni Chlamydia psittaci, trachomatis Clostridium botulinum, chauvoei, haemolyticum, histolyticum, novyi, septicum, tetani Corynebacterium diphtheriae, equi, haemolyticum, pseudotuberculosis, pyogenes, renale Edwardsiella tarda Erysipelothrix insidiosa Escherichia coli -allenteropathogenic serotypes

 

Posted by once bitten on :
 
well we hired one of the German's that served for the SS bio warfare team, he bred ticks and diseases, and we got him out of the Nurmburg trials and put him to work here.
He had little tick farms ON PLUM ISLAND

 
Posted by Lishs mom (Member # 2344) on :
 
I know!

They (the govt) thinks were so stupid...but you know,even us, with our lymebrains can figure out what is going on.....
 

Posted by TX Lyme Mom (Member # 3162) on :
 
Lishs mom,
What's the dateline on that article?

Where did you find it? (link, that is?)


 

Posted by Lishs mom (Member # 2344) on :
 
To be honest, I dont remember where I got it from. It was one of those research days where I would type terms, and follow leads. It was May of 2003 when I down loaded it. It didnt strike me as being significant until I read LAb 257.


 

Posted by LaureenP (Member # 5052) on :
 
Two questions:

First, where is Plum Island?

Also: What are your sources?

If these are real government documents you have access to, how did you get a hold of them and where can I get a copy?


 

Posted by LaureenP (Member # 5052) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by once bitten:
well we hired one of the German's that served for the SS bio warfare team, he bred ticks and diseases, and we got him out of the Nurmburg trials and put him to work here.
He had little tick farms ON PLUM ISLAND

WHO IS WE? AND WHO ARE YOU? WHAT DO YOU MEAN WE GOT HIM OUT....???
THIS COULD MAKE A GOOD FICTION STORY. ANYONE CAN WRITE ANYTHING ON THESE MESSAGE BOARDS CAN'T THEY?

 

Posted by SentByHim (Member # 3998) on :
 
Plum Island is an Island in Long Island sound. It was definately a medical research facility where the goverment did experiments and stuff through out the years. There is even a reference to it in Silence of the Lambs, that was the island Clarice told Hannibal he could go to for days of swimming and such.

North of Plum Island is Lyme Ct south of it is the North Shore of Long Island where the highest consentration of Lyme actually exists. That also happens to be where I got infected on the North Shore. I did a lot of training there I loved all the steep hills to ride my bike on and trails to run on.

You can request in writing info on Plum Island through the "Freedom of information act" if you want to open that can of worms. But there is a lot of information out there that proves it was a facility where bio research was being done.

Sent
 

Posted by Lishs mom (Member # 2344) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by LaureenP:
Two questions:

First, where is Plum Island?
Sent has answered this in detail


Also: What are your sources?

For the actual content shown above,

[PDF] Microsoft PowerPoint - RAB-13Feb02b.ppt
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... Area B-11 Removal Project Status Evaluation of Bio Waste/Sampling Results * All
biological waste has been evaluated for Biological Warfare Programs organisms ... www.detrick.army.mil/areab/13feb02rab.pdf - Similar pages
[ More results from www.detrick.army.mil ]

http://www.usamriid.army.mil/


For support of what is going on w/plum island and Ft. Detrick:
http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/display?content=3117

Supportive information of other claims:
http://www.gene-watch.org/programs/biowarfare/accidents.html
http://www.detrick.army.mil/areab/index.cfm#7


Anonymous. Characteristics of Some B. W. Agents for Plants. Special Report No. 2. 1944

Ft. Detrick Materials: Reports
Safety Division. Detection of Biological Warfare Agents. Special Report No. 58, 1946

Contributions from Special Projects Division, Chemical Warfare Service, Camp Detrick, Maryland. Special issue of Botanical Gazette 107, 1946.

Ellington, H. V. Accidental Laboratory Infections at a Biological Warfare Station. Special Report 72, 1946

Decker, H. M., et al. Large-volume Air Samplers for Collecting and Concentrating Microorganisms. Technical Memorandum 172, 1969

Anonymous. Medical Defense Aspect of Biological Agents. Project No. 1B662706A096, 1970

Beisel, W. R. Food Poisoning. Project 871 BA 150 DA 0G3810, 1983

Wedum, A. G., and R. H. Kruse. Assessment of Risk of Human Infection in the Microbiological Laboratory. Miscellaneous Publication 30, 2nd. Edition, 1969

Pyne, F. W. Analysis and Report Concerning Potential Uses for Building 470, Fort Detrick. 1982

Biological Defense Research program: Draft Programmatic Environmental Impact Statement. USAMRDC, 1988

Amended FY 1988/89 Biennial Budget Program Element Descriptive Summaries. (USAMRDC), 1988.


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Posted by Lishs mom (Member # 2344) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by LaureenP:
WHO IS WE? AND WHO ARE YOU? WHAT DO YOU MEAN WE GOT HIM OUT....???
THIS COULD MAKE A GOOD FICTION STORY. ANYONE CAN WRITE ANYTHING ON THESE MESSAGE BOARDS CAN'T THEY?

So true, but the sad thing is...this is documented evidence. Further, as wild as it seems, things go on that are difficult to understand to someone not involved in the microbiology side of all of this.


 

Posted by Lishs mom (Member # 2344) on :
 
I believe the Russian Scientist we brought here was Kanatjan Alibekov, who later is refered to as K. Alibek.

 
Posted by LaureenP (Member # 5052) on :
 
Thank you. That is really disturbing.
Do you know what year this research/ tick breeding began?

I got my tick bite in 1967 when I was a little girl who lived in Garden City, Long Island. (Bulleye rash followed by a year of horrible joint pains)

Years later at age 45 I now have both late stage Lyme disease and MS and/or CNS Lyme.

Getting final dx soon. Long story.

Scary. I would think the press would be all over this. Why aren't they?
 

Posted by LaureenP (Member # 5052) on :
 
Thank you for all the info. I will look at it.

 
Posted by LaureenP (Member # 5052) on :
 
I am stunned that if this is all open knowledge that the press has not done anything on it.
Especially if the USA used an SS nazi guy to breed ticks "once bitten" wrote about.

How is it that all of you know about this guy but the press doesn't? Wouldn't this be a major scandal?
 

Posted by Lishs mom (Member # 2344) on :
 
Laureen,
It is possible that in 67 you got bit by something that was either brought over, or something that was already present.

The tick scientist brought ticks over from parts of Europe I believe in the late 1950's, I dont have the chronology in front of me. We have several Russian Scientists in the USA who were working on biologicals in Europe. The thought America had was that if we offer them and their families a safe haven to live, that they would let us know what is being worked on over there. Of course, we also wanted to "catch up" with them.

I spend a lot of hours researching via Microbiology material, and when I come across a reference, I will use the internet. I found the path that lead to Ft. Detrick and Plum Island several years ago. Last year, a book called Lab 257, came out. A 7 year research project by a lawyer in the long island/ny/ct area. He confirmed in that book some of the things I had been hot on the trail of.

You asked why the press hasnt done anything..
Well, as you know with anything lyme disease, It is difficult to get ANYONE to publish our stories. Many here have tried to get 20/20, Oprah, 60 minutes, and more to write about our plight. The politics are set against exposure. What ever has gone on on the island, is much more difficult than lyme to get anyone to publish about.
 

Posted by Lishs mom (Member # 2344) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by LaureenP:
Thank you. That is really disturbing.
Do you know what year this research/ tick breeding began?

I got my tick bite in 1967 when I was a little girl who lived in Garden City, Long Island. (Bulleye rash followed by a year of horrible joint pains)

Years later at age 45 I now have both late stage Lyme disease and MS and/or CNS Lyme.

Getting final dx soon. Long story.

Scary. I would think the press would be all over this. Why aren't they?


Your question on why?? and why not???...if they were on this...you would not be considering a MS diagnosis most likely, and it would not have taken years and years of doctor mis diagnosis if it were out in the open. Things are as they are, we dont have the answers, but can only strive to help others so the path they follow will be easier.

 

Posted by LaureenP (Member # 5052) on :
 
Not to be a killjoy, but did you see this article that refutes the book, "Lab 257" by a United Press writer? The link is below.
http://www.theithacajournal.com/news/stories/20040318/localnews/98217.html

Seems there has been some legitimate press about Plum Island but most of it is saying that this is just another wild "conspiracy" theory.

I'm not saying I believe that review, but even the writer of the book, Michael Carroll says he has no solid proof or hard evidence of what he is claiming.
 

Posted by pab (Member # 904) on :
 
Jake (17) is reading Lab 257 for his homebound English class.

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Posted by TX Lyme Mom (Member # 3162) on :
 
Laureen,

On pgs. 120-121 of the DoD Budget Hearings, held on June 9, 1969, you will read reference to the use of "an insect vector -- a mosquito, for example" for use as a biological weapon.

Another book which you might be interested in reading is "Lyme Disease & the S.S. Elbrus" by Rachel Verdon. That book has a lot of info in it on MS. (Check the index.)

There has been a "cover-up" about all of this which has been going on for a long, long time. Our so-called "free press" has been muzzled regarding this disturbing BW subject matter. It's just now starting to come out into the open since the anthrax scare shortly after 9/11/01.

You might find a few of our older topic discussions of this in the Off Topic Forum here at LymeNet -- if you scroll down far enough. We were posting things like this there, prior to 9/11/01 because it was too upsetting and disturbing to others here at LymeNet who were not yet ready to hear about it, so that's why these topics were relegated to the Off Topic Forum, instead. (I hope those older topics haven't been deleted by now, because they were considered in-active, out-dated material, by the LymeNet Administrators. I haven't looked for them in quite a while myself.)

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Posted by TX Lyme Mom (Member # 3162) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by LaureenP:
Do you know what year this research/ tick breeding began?

I got my tick bite in 1967 when I was a little girl who lived in Garden City, Long Island. (Bulleye rash followed by a year of horrible joint pains)

Laureen,
Somewhere in one of Steere's earlier papers, he wrote that the "index case" for LD occurred back in 1962. I keep wondering to myself how he got that date and what more he knows and how he knows it.

I'm supposed to be doing something else right now, instead of posting on LymeNet, so I'm not going to take time to look up the reference citation for Steere's 1962 date. (I can do it later, if you like.)

Lishs Mom,
I'm very curious about your source of info about the ticks being brought into the US in the 1950s. I suspect you're dead right, because it fits my own hypothetical "time line" very nicely, but I haven't run across that particular little detail myself yet. If you can remember where you found that info, please post it.


 



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