Just wanted to say that so far in medical school, they've been teaching everything correctly, so I really don't see an excuse for any physician to not look for lyme.
...The professor who gave the lecture on lyme said to treat immediately if lyme is even suspected b/c of the delays and unreliablity of blood work, etc etc etc etc etc
...so yea... just wanted to throw that out there that it IS being taught in med school. ...which only makes the topic more confusing...
sending my love and support.
oh, ps... my first exams are on monday!!! could you please say some prayers for me to pass!!!!!
The Green One
Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
Thanks for the update/info! Good luck!
Posted by joalo (Member # 12752) on :
But do they say it is cured after three weeks of abx? Just curious.
I'll be prayin' for ya.... Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- Now, I',m very glad to hear them teaching early treatment if lyme is suspected. Did they also talk about babesia and ehrlichia, etc.?
Each medical college will handle this differently and much depends on what state it is in. Some states don't teach it at all beyond the mention that it is no big deal. Your school seems to know at least that early treatment is best.
Beyond that, though, just mentioning lyme, though, is not really teaching it! It would require its own course for at least one or two semesters to REALLY teach it.
They give the impression it's easy to treat by saying, oh, yes treat it early. They also probably leave out all the other tick-borne infections.
I am glad you got a mention of it, but later on - are their FULL courses on lyme or other TBD - FULL COURSES ? Are some of the hundreds of articles by ILADS researchers included in the course work? Or is it just the IDSA standard?
Most likely there would be more in the course work for those declaring their path as a ID specialty (what 3rd or 4th year, maybe?) . . . but just what exactly they learn is the key. -
Posted by merrygirl (Member # 12041) on :
good luck
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- Yes, I forgot to say that I hope your tests go well. Eating wild salmon and kale for breakfast will help your brain that day - well, every day, actually.
Do also try to get good sleep and take care of yourself. We want you to make the finish line all bright eyed! -
Posted by ThatColorGreen (Member # 16016) on :
Hey guys, you'll actually be happy to hear that they DO teach the co-infections and they even said that your patient may come to you with more than one infection. They had already had lectures on babesia and I think erlichia.
What tops the cake though is that the chair of the department, who taught the lecture on lyme and endocarditis got lyme twice, and when she went to see the doctor, she ended up seeing a PA who told her he didnt think it was lyme, even though she had all of the symptoms AND the rash.
She also brought up the controversy of the disease and how CT filed a lawsuit against the IDSA for conflicts of interest.
...so... she really touched on everything.
She used the term "Chronic Lyme" ...said it's very difficult to treat late stage...
....hmmm what else am i missing..
...but yea.. hopefully this makes your day
again... Prayers please !!!!!! Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- WOW ! I'm so glad to hear that you have someone with history in this. I'd love to know what medical school you are at but I can see if you want to keep it a secret.
I can guarantee the students at the Medical College in my state are not getting that coursework, at all. Any doctor even whisper something about "chronic" and they would be dismissed and given a ticket out to the state line.
I am relieved to hear that, at least in your med. school, the are brighter and have courage to share details out loud.
I hope you really find your zone - all while you study and during the testing experience - be sure to RELAX and you will remember details so much better. Ommmm. Breathe . . . . let the knowledge flow. -
Posted by Dekrator48 (Member # 18239) on :
Thanks for keeping us informed.
I am praying that you will do well on your exams and stay healthy enough to continue on your path!!
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
That's great!! Would have been a different story if it had been given by someone who hadn't had Lyme!!
I'm so proud of you! And yes, I'll pray. Does God know you as "That Color Green"?? Posted by pab (Member # 904) on :
Good luck on your exams!
Posted by Michael_Venice (Member # 17254) on :
it really is hard to figure out WHAT is up with this disease.
My mother saw her doctor, in Ohio, this week. She mentioned to him what I've been going through (I'm in California).
He said he'd never come across a lyme case in his career, because Lyme was in Pennsylvania, but not in Ohio.
They are less than 20 miles from the Pennsylvania border.
Now, I know this doctor, and he's a nice guy, and I assume somewhat bright. And maybe he HAS never had a patient that has lyme, whether he would know or not. But this isn't even about medicine or controversy, it's just absurd absence of rationality or logic.
How could someone believe that ticks and the animals that carry them are so aware of our borders that they do not cross them? I mean, it just defies any reason or logic.
And very, very strangely, this seems to be at the base of many doctors' baseline knowledge of lyme.
Posted by Karen Mc (Member # 23354) on :
lol- thats all I can say Michael---lol
UNBELIEVABLE
and to think this is the year 2010......go figure
P.S. I not sure what they are saying about ticks in Virginia but I can send some of em their way if they like...better send em with a map though I 'd hate for them to get to Penn border and become confused...guess they can read and stop BEFORE entering Ohio (:
Posted by Karen Mc (Member # 23354) on :
Oh yeah, almost forgot how I got to this link???? ):
GOOD LUCK on yor exams Posted by sammy (Member # 13952) on :
That's good news Green! It sounds like you are in the right place.
I'll be praying that you do well on your exams. I can see that you want to learn and that in itself will make such a huge difference. You will do well on your exams
You will also become a great doctor because you care and you will never give up learning.
Posted by feelfit (Member # 12770) on :
Go Green! Tear 'em up with the exams! You'll make an excellent doctor Will be rooting for you!
Feelfit
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by Michael_Venice:
He said he'd never come across a lyme case in his career, because Lyme was in Pennsylvania, but not in Ohio.
I guess he wouldn't recognize it if it bit him in the butt!
Posted by kmesh (Member # 24309) on :
I was told the same thing about Michigan- it probably isn't Lyme because it isn't prevalant here.
Posted by sutherngrl (Member # 16270) on :
Good luck in Medical School. Very proud or you!
Michael, I also have a problem with how a person can be smart enough to get a medical degree, yet have no idea how LD could migrate from one state to another.
Thats just crazy!
Posted by ThatColorGreen (Member # 16016) on :
sutherngrl,
i know a lot of people who are 'book smart' and can throw out good numbers come test time, yet when it comes to any kind of real logic on life, well... they have none...
Thank you everyone for prayers God is fantastic and is helping this information stick in my brain!!
Lymetoo, I actually has a shirt with a saying like that and on the back, right above my butt, there's a big green tick [tee hee hee]
overall, i am so far impressed by what has been taught here on chronic illness, etc etc.. ...even suggesting that if you have cancer patients to really consider puting them on a vegetarian diet, as protein feeds cancer, etc etc..
so.. yea.... good things
Love you guys xoxoxo
~The Green One
Posted by Topaz (Member # 20216) on :
Good luck on your exams!
I have to give my GP props. Even though she wouldn't give more than two 3 week rounds of doxy, she thought to test for lyme when I went to her with severe vertigo.
I did have some other accompanying symptoms but nothing screaming lyme. Luckily, the tests came back positive.
It hadn't even crossed my mind at the time that my symptoms could have been my previously under treated lyme resurfacing.
Also, the PA at the same office, has begun treating some patients for lyme based on clinical symptoms alone. An antibiotic challenge, if you will.
My kids all see him(not for lyme). He also has been prescribing antibiotics for 3-4 months in some cases.
So, while they are not up there with llmd's, there are GP's and PA's coming to the realization that the CDC's recommendations in treating lyme disease are, in many cases, not enough, and that testing is often inaccurate.
It's encouraging to know that there are some good doctors out there willing to learn.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- " . . . as protein feeds cancer ?" end quote.
That seems puzzling. We need protein for our livers to make glutathione. Our brains, our hearts, our muscles - every cell of our body need protein . . . . and those with chronic infection require MORE.
I would think cancer patients also need to continue to feed their body. Starving the body to starve the cancer seems counterproductive. The amino acids in protein are essential to our very survival.
As for relating to cancer patients, many infections are connected to cancer. With so many patients who have undiagnosed chronic stealth infections, this would also be a piece to consider:
THE REQUIREMENTS OF PROTEIN & AMINO ACID DURING ACUTE & CHRONIC INFECTION . . .
Anura V. Kurpad - Institute of Population Health & Clinical Research, Bangalore, India 129. Indian J Med Res 124, August 2006, pp 129-148.
Excerpt:
" . . . In general, the amount of EXTRA protein that would appear to be needed is of the order of 20-25 per cent of the recommended intake, for most infections. . . ."
- Full article at link (or google the title if it does not go through).
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