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Posted by steve1906 (Member # 16206) on :
 
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Researchers’ discovery may explain difficulty in treating Lyme disease

June 1, 2015 by Greg St. Martin

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North­eastern Uni­ver­sity researchers have found that the bac­terium that causes Lyme dis­ease forms dor­mant per­sister cells, which are known to evade antibi­otics. This sig­nif­i­cant finding, they said, could help explain why it’s so dif­fi­cult to treat the infec­tion in some patients.

“It hasn’t been entirely clear why it’s dif­fi­cult to treat the pathogen with antibi­otics since there has been no resis­tance reported for the causative agent of the dis­ease,” explained Uni­ver­sity Dis­tin­guished Pro­fessor Kim Lewis, who led the North­eastern research team.

In other chronic infec­tions, Lewis’ lab has tracked the resis­tance to antibi­otic therapy to the pres­ence of per­sister cells—which are drug-​​tolerant, dor­mant vari­ants of reg­ular cells.

These per­sister cells are exactly what they’ve iden­ti­fied here in Bor­relia burgdor­feri, the bac­terium that causes Lyme disease.

The researchers have also reported two approaches—one of them quite promising—to erad­i­cate Lyme dis­ease, as well as poten­tially other nasty infections.

Lewis and his col­leagues pre­sented their find­ings in a paper pub­lished online last week in the journal Antimi­cro­bial Agents and Chemotherapy.

He co-​​authored the paper with North­eastern doc­toral stu­dents Bijaya Sharma and Autumn Brown, both PhD’16; recent grad­uate Nicole Matluck, S’15, who received her Bach­elor of Sci­ence in Behav­ioral Neu­ro­science; and Linden T. Hu, a pro­fessor of mol­e­c­ular biology and micro­bi­ology at Tufts University.

The research was sup­ported by grants from the Lyme Research Alliance and the National Insti­tutes of Health.

Lyme dis­ease affects 300,000 people annu­ally in the U.S., according to the Cen­ters for Dis­ease Con­trol and Pre­ven­tion, and is trans­mitted to people via bites from infected black­legged ticks. If caught early, patients treated with antibi­otics usu­ally recover quickly.

How­ever, about 10 to 20 per­cent of patients, par­tic­u­larly those diag­nosed later, who have received antibi­otic treat­ment may have per­sis­tent and recur­ring symp­toms including arthritis, muscle pain, fatigue, and neu­ro­log­ical prob­lems. These patients are diag­nosed with Post-​​treatment Lyme Dis­ease Syndrome.

In addi­tion to iden­ti­fying the pres­ence of these per­sister cells, Lewis’ team also pre­sented two methods for wiping out the infection—both of which were suc­cessful in lab tests.

One involved an anti-​​cancer agent called Mit­o­mycin C, which com­pletely erad­i­cated all cul­tures of the bac­terium in one fell swoop. How­ever, Lewis stressed that, given Mit­o­mycin C’s tox­i­city, it isn’t a rec­om­mended option for treating Lyme dis­ease, though his team’s find­ings are useful to helping to better under­stand the disease.

The second approach, which Lewis noted is much more prac­tical, involved pulse-​​dosing an antibi­otic to elim­i­nate per­sis­ters. The researchers intro­duced the antibi­otic a first time, which killed the growing cells but not the dor­mant per­sis­ters.

But once the antibi­otic washed away, the per­sis­ters woke up, and before they had time to restore their pop­u­la­tion the researchers hit them with the antibi­otic again. Four rounds of antibi­otic treat­ments com­pletely erad­i­cated the per­sis­ters in a test tube.

“This is the first time, we think, that pulse-​​dosing has been pub­lished as a method for erad­i­cating the pop­u­la­tion of a pathogen with antibi­otics that don’t kill dor­mant cells,” Lewis said. “The trick to doing this is to allow the dor­mant cells to wake up.”

He added: “This gives you an idea that you could, in prin­ciple, estab­lish a sim­ilar reg­i­ment for treating patients for this and other chronic diseases.”

Lewis is a fac­ulty member in the biology depart­ment and directs Northeastern’s Antimi­cro­bial Dis­covery Center. Over the past decade he has led pio­neering work on this spe­cial­ized class of cells pro­duced by all pathogens known as per­sis­ters.

Ear­lier this year, Lewis, biology pro­fessor Slava Epstein, and other col­leagues pub­lished ground­breaking research in Nature pre­senting a new antibi­otic that kills pathogens without encoun­tering any detectable resistance.

In pre­vious work, Lewis’ lab iden­ti­fied a com­pound called ADEP that causes dor­mant per­sister cells in MRSA to self-​​destruct. This com­pound was among the first options the researchers tried out to combat Lyme dis­ease.

But it didn’t work, and nei­ther did com­bi­na­tions of stan­dard antibi­otics used to treat the dis­ease. The team thought it had hit a dead end yet remained vig­i­lant in its quest to iden­tify promising alter­na­tive options.

“What we came up with was the pulse-​​dosing reg­imen, which worked beau­ti­fully,” Lewis explained. “I think this could be very useful, espe­cially for antibi­otics for which resis­tance doesn’t rapidly develop.”

Though the researchers iden­ti­fied the pres­ence of these per­sister cells, they also note in their paper that the mech­a­nisms by which the per­sis­ters are able to sur­vive remain unknown. More work in this area will be required, they wrote.

http://www.northeastern.edu/news/2015/06/researchers-discovery-may-explain-difficulty-in-treating-lyme-disease/

Steve
 
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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Thanks for posting.

Good to see this. Good work. Still, it's like he's been on another planet to not know that Burrascano (and most ILADS LLMDs) have been incorporating the pulse technique for YEARS

[Pamela Weintraub describes in her book "Cure Unknown" and in her posts how this was of major value to her successful recovery]

This author also must have been on another planet to not consider the cystic / other forms of Bb [or how Bb can get into the bones so the test samples may not show it in any test]

or the work of many ILADS researchers.


Yet, maybe in his isolation, he will see a piece of the puzzle in a different light. But, even with the pulse technique if it ignores how antibiotics can cause development of the cystic form that will require a different classification of drug, as antibiotics won't work (and he's not even looking at that) . . . it may not be as much help.

I'm hoping his eyes will see all that he needs to see . . . and that he will also get to know the work of others in this field but who are not in his inner circle.
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Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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Pulsed dosing . . . & with combination modalities / various Rx families . . . that worked:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/91327?#000036

topic: "How Did Burrascano cure himself?"

especially see LL author Pamela Weintraub's THREE posts here on Feb. 27 & 28, 2010 (you'll have to scroll down a ways for the third one)
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Posted by steve1906 (Member # 16206) on :
 
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Keebler, I was thinking of you when I posted this, I knew it would get your goat, like it will others too.

That was the fastest reply I ever seen, concidering all the reading and replying.

Good reply....
Steve
 
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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Must have just happened to be online when you posted. And your spacing makes reading easier. Also realized my fridge was off. It' just kicked in and then I cannot think.

Yes, it really gets my goat.

And we are supposed to be, oh, so glad that - finally - someone in the IDSA world is waking up just a little bit that we throw a parade when, really, he's very much behind. Yet, I hope that some piece of this is beneficial.

But, just think how much more good he could do were he to really get up to speed on this. He's years behind and still thinking far too simplistically.

No mention of other forms of Bb or other tick infections that always go along for the ride. How in the world can he be so out of it and still be thought of as on top of his game?
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Posted by steve1906 (Member # 16206) on :
 
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How in the world can he be so out of it and still be thought of as on top of his game?
THE MONEY, for doing nothing!

Steve
 
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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We need the same folks who investigated the FIFA dishonesty to take a good look at the IDSA.

Oh, legal term required for this point in the process is: 'alleged' dishonest practices
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Posted by unsure445 (Member # 15962) on :
 
Is this fancy new term "persisters" another way of describing biofilms?

I will take the quickie 411 if there is a difference. Thanks!
 
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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The way I read this . . . (and others may have a different take on it) . . .

is -- unknown to them -

that it's all about a single antibiotic approach that CREATES chronic lyme due killing off some spirochetes but at the same time forcing all those that can scurry to form into cysts (and the illusion that treatment may have worked - even if for a while).

His test tube may have the cystic form develop but he can't see that. And, in a test tube, four rounds may well do the trick but, in a real live person, spirochetes with faced with antibiotics can spring deep into even the bones and then turn into the cystic form.

That's not going to be treated in just four round of a single antibiotic with no attention to the cystic form and with drugs or other agents that can penetrate very deep within.

In addition to the CYSTIC FORM,

BIOFILM does not appear to be what he's talking about - and I doubt they even consider biofilm (as they should, though).

What they are describing in the TEST TUBE likely is the second, third + more waves of spirochetes that are "born" from cyst form after inadequate mono-treatment has lapsed, allowing

the "blooming" of the dormant-only-for-a-while cysts unseen to his eye

that developed in the first place from their oversights:

1. stand alone antibiotic treatment that should have been combination / rotation / pulsed only after the other steps were also incorporated

2. initial treatment for too short a time -

3. without attention to flagyl or the like to also address the cyst form since antibiotics do not kill the cystic form but allow it to thrive

- as well as addressing OTHER forms (more than just the spirochete and cystic form and the kinds of Rx used can be tricky)

4. and also attention to biofilm (which cannot be addressed with antibiotics)

5. Strains also were not considered. Should be.

-- coinfections, of course should be considered but this article is just about borrelia so I'll not go there (and they'd sure never think, too, anyway).
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[ 06-07-2015, 03:13 PM: Message edited by: Keebler ]
 
Posted by SouthPaw (Member # 35229) on :
 
Northeastern, huh? He's only about a mile and a half from Allen Steere and all his lackeys. It's a short walk. I'm sure they'll be falling all over themselves to discredit him.

You don't go to Boston if you have Lyme. Steere has a wide range of influence all throughout eastern MA and it's hostile. Been there done that. He's a disgrace to my hometown.
 
Posted by SouthPaw (Member # 35229) on :
 
**and as for Northeastern, all I know about the place is it's a great place to get raging drunk and stupid and to meet girls.

Well, I know a little more about it than that but those were the highlights. The "going to class" part is just a blur.
 
Posted by KarlaL (Member # 29631) on :
 
In Test Tube, ‘Pulse-Doses’ Of Antibiotic Wipe Out Lyme Disease Bacteria Persisters

Carey Goldberg
June 12, 2015 | 6:09 AM |

For complete article and video, go to:
http://commonhealth.wbur.org/2015/06/lyme-disease-bacteria-persister-pulse

From the Northeast to the Midwest and beyond, it’s high season for Lyme disease. An estimated 300,000 Americans are diagnosed with the spreading, tickborne disease every year. Most can be successfully treated with antibiotics, but for some, symptoms persist for months and even years — pain, fatigue, arthritis.

For me, Lyme disease news tends to range from horrifying — stories of insidious, life-ruining symptoms — to just depressing, like recent speculation that New England’s massive snowfall this winter may have insulated ticks and helped them survive.

So, though it’s still extremely early research, I was gladdened by a report just out from Northeastern University that a prominent germ-fighting scientist may have found a new way to kill off Lyme disease bacteria even when it persists after antibiotics. In test tubes, at least.

For complete article and video, go to:
http://commonhealth.wbur.org/2015/06/lyme-disease-bacteria-persister-pulse
 


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