I noticed during the speech that his hand had a tremor. Uh, oh.
I looked it up online, and there are references to it going back to 2013. He said that he was checked out for Parkinson's, but they said he didn't have it. He said, "it's just something from aging."
It also said he "was checked" for Lyme Disease, but it was negative. Hmmmm. How can there be so much medical ignorance?? Assuming what I'm thinking is correct, which is most likely.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- While we all have good hearts here and the last thing we would want is for someone to have lyme and not have it addressed adequately.
However, in this case, Lyme would not even be on the list of things I'd consider.
He has so much energy, can handle bright lights and noise and think clearly to deliver speeches and organize all kinds of events around the world, really and hold complex conversations with various kinds of people in the foundation gatherings.
And he can ad lib a joke and then get back on track.
There is no way he could do any of this if he had lyme. Not with schedules made far in advance where he absolutely had to be there - on key & in tune, so to speak.
This is most likely similar to something like an "essential tremor" such as Katharine Hepburn experienced but in her case her head & voice were also affected.
As for the kind that Bill Clinton seems to deal with, yes, in some cases, it does come from aging - for some people, not everyone.
Certain accidents can also contribute to tremors if there might be scar tissue at key places on the spine or in the brain. There is so much we do not yet know about the brain / spine.
But this man's cognition and physical endurance is enviable. This is most likely not due to infection (or he'd not be able to do all he does) but to mechanical issue of some sort. -
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
. . . Many people with essential tremor live normal lives. The famous actress Katharine Hepburn led a successful career despite essential tremor that affected her head and voice. . . . -
Posted by Jordana (Member # 45305) on :
No, I think this is parkinson's. My grandma had it. You don't have to spend as much time watching for the "resting tremor" as I did but it is definitely there. Essential tremor looks somewhat different.
our friend has Parkinson's. looks like it to me...course in the long run means nothing.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Hope it's not Parkinson's. I wasn't watching, so didn't see the resting tremor... that would indeed indicate Parkinson's.
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
I did notice his hands trembling when he was not moving them around. I had a friend who did not have Parkinson's and had a tremor in his hands most of his life.
A classic sign of Parkinson's is pill rolling of finger and thumb.
Even if Bill Clinton has Parkinson's I respect his right to privacy. Doesn't seem like Lyme to me.
Posted by TF (Member # 14183) on :
My husband has essential tremor. As it has gotten worse, he shakes at rest and nearly all other times except during sleep.
It is a movement disorder related to Parkinson's but it is just a tremor, no more.
I have become an expert on it and have found specialists for him who have been able to help him more than just a general neurologist.
Essential tremor is common. My husband inherited it. He does NOT have lyme or any other disease. He just has tremor.
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
I noticed it too and researched...i do know we hrn they moved to ny it was westchester county and very bad town for lyme. I think near where pan wei___ she wrote good lym ed book...near where her family got sick.
I remember the clintons got a lab and he died about six months later i think. It was a ling time ago but i remember being sad the dog probsbly hot lyme. Who knows.
(breaking up the post for easier reading for many here)
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Posted by randibear (Member # 11290) on :
my husbad worked in dc at the time. poor doggie. he ran away.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- lpkayak,
The dog did not die from lyme, it was hit by a car when it ran away (as randibear mentions)
[URL would not post, so copy & paste URL and eliminate the space between last / and Buddy ]
Excerpts:
Buddy (August 7, 1997 – January 2, 2002), a male chocolate-colored Labrador Retriever, was one of two pets kept by the Clinton family . . . .
. . . Death
According to the police report, Buddy was killed by a car while "playfully chasing a contractor" who had left the Clinton home in Chappaqua, New York, on January 2, 2002. The Clintons were not home at the time of the accident. . . . -
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
Ok. Whats pams last name. She lived in westchester too. I went to a support group there for awhile. Theres a lot if lym ed there
Posted by TF (Member # 14183) on :
Pam Weintraub--author of Cure Unknown.
Posted by WPinVA (Member # 33581) on :
Whether or not he has it, wouldn't it be wonderful if the Clinton Foundation took up the cause of Lyme? They could do so much good.
Posted by Rumigirl (Member # 15091) on :
quote:Originally posted by WPinVA: Whether or not he has it, wouldn't it be wonderful if the Clinton Foundation took up the cause of Lyme? They could do so much good.
Wow, that would be great! But first he'd have to be diagnosed, and second, he'd have to be willing to reveal the diagnosis, which is asking a lot under the current circumstances.
I doubt that he has the right diagnosis to begin with. They did move to a totally endemic area, but that means nothing in terms of diagnosis, unfortunately.
Posted by Tincup (Member # 5829) on :
OH NO! No please! Please NO!
I have Lyme and multiple tick borne diseases to deal with and that's bad enough. Don't make me have to endure the Clinton's too! Aghhhhhhhh!
It's not just his hand moving. It's at least one-half of his body I saw shaking the other day, in a really feeble manner. And his head was bobbing like a dog bobble head doll thing.
But, then again, it could be the picture movement from me switching channels at lightening speed when I saw him come on there.
Plus he has lost some weight since his fat-a@@ Presidential days.
The End.
Posted by momindeep (Member # 7618) on :
Tincup...looks like you're on the fence concerning the Clintons Posted by Tincup (Member # 5829) on :
MominDeep- Got me laughing out loud! HA! Thanks for that.
And yes, I've been scolded before for not saying what I really think. Folks can hardly get a word out of me sometimes!
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- About his weight loss, that's a good thing
(the main push for that was for his daughter's wedding and he went to a mostly plant focused diet - yet with some salmon, etc.) and his weight is well within reason now. He has spoken about how careful he is and sticks to a nutrition program that looks both abundant & delicious.
And we need not diagnose him for what he's shared about this does make sense. To speculate goes beyond a matter of his privacy.
Someone with his energy level, able to speak to large crowds with lights and noise - and maintain a heavy schedule where he must show up and be at his best -
and he is able to do that and even crack jokes and stay on track and speak to complicated issues with others who are in conversation with him with his foundation(s) work and it all goes well cognitively -- no one I've known with lyme can do that. I just don't see how that could be possible at all.
Essential tremor can be very distinctive and affect the whole body. Learning the fact of that is key for anyone we might know, really.
I've known a couple people with this and - really - it was the only health issue they had.
. . . •Tremors in the head and neck can make your head shake in an up-and-down or side-to-side motion.
•Parts of your face may appear to twitch, such as your eyelids.
•Tremors in the tongue or voice box can make your voice sound shaky when you’re speaking.
•Tremors in your core, legs, and feet can cause problems with balance. They can also make your gait, or the way you walk, appear abnormal. . . .
. . . Essential tremor is a fairly common disorder, affecting approximately 10 million people in the Unites States. It isn’t life-threatening and doesn’t cause any serious health problems. . . .
[Of course, if there are other health problems, then other things should be considered in a bigger picture.] -
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Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- Still, no one would have to have lyme to join efforts to support it in any way. It's a matter for everyone.
It would be nice if more foundations who focus on health and well being - even financial stability on personal and community levels - would address and support lyme education, access to treatment & research for having lyme affects all facets of life & community.
This is a local issue; it is a global issue. -
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- I will certainly say that were I to have essential tremor, if they could not find why on an image, I'd not be settling for any "unknown" cause stuff. Still, there is so much we yet just do not know about the brain. Fortunately, there are some who are still looking:
New brain map identifies 97 previously unknown regions
By Susan Scutti, CNN - July 20, 2016 -
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
I haven't read all the posts above yet, just your's Rumi, but I'd lay odds he has lyme. I think all the presidents visit Martha's vineyard (island is easily contained), and MV is loaded with ticks.
I also think parkinsons is linked to lyme/metals. It looked like he had that "masked face" look at one point during the democratic convention.
Posted by Rumigirl (Member # 15091) on :
I agree, Catgirl. It was more than just the tremor with Clinton.
Martha's Vineyard, yikes, is it loaded with ticks!! I was last there i '05, a long time ago, but they were crawling all over the darned place! I was just diagnosed, but not on treatment yet.
The bottom dropped out of my health while I was on the island (only a couple of days). I don't know if I got bitten again or just that the accumulation of uncountable tick bites caught up to me big time.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
He's still able to smile though. My dad lost his smile quite early in his Parkinson's.
They also have a ton of ticks at Camp David.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- He's doing so much, speaking so capably, that there is no way even anyone with lyme could keep up with him. He seems very healthy to me. Essential tremor is a condition, not an illness. -
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- This is what lyme looks like in a public speaker who was actually diagnosed with lyme:
Former President George W. Bush Speaks BEFORE and AFTER he got Lyme disease
Neurological symptoms of lyme disease. The White House openly admitted they kept his lyme treatment from the public while he was in office. These speeches are separated by 8 yrs.
1:45 (nearly two hours) - you can move around here to get a sense of the differences
Regardless of one's political party affiliation, this is a remarkable collection and important for so many reasons. -
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Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
He went the vegan route for his heart a while back. Diet can drastically improve lyme for some people. I think he also had heart surgery (may have gotten abx then).
I didn't know that about smiling Lymetoo. That's a good point! I told my husband it looked like Bill was about to have a stroke at the democratic convention. Maybe that was it. He also had tears in his eyes though listening to Chelsea. Maybe I just misread the whole thing.
Posted by bluelyme (Member # 47170) on :
If it is i bet he wont transmit to hillary unless he did it pre monica days..ha ...Arkansas has ticks galore too...i wish they would just look under microscope
..i do think a lot of health problems can be blamed on a spirocheteal /mycoplasmal infection. ..but pharma has poli-tickers in bag too( pun intended )
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