I enjoy alot of what you post over here. You make me lauph. Maybe they should have said that "you could have reword some things like watch out terrorist." Instead saying it the way they did. Sometimes people don't realize that even when they are think they are trying to make things better they are only adding to make things worse!!!

Just because you think Maddog said something wrong doesn't mean you have to be so bruit in relaying your message to him. Why can't people on hear just talk to people nice. Say what they want to say in a nice way. I am trying, Why can't everyone else?

Now where is everyone else that is suppose to be a part of this wonderful support group jumping in here to say something?

Oh, come on, you know you love us here..
or at least love picking on us ..

You get away with this allot because we're used to your "style".

Hope you come back and can chill on the name calling/extreme racism and whatnot.

If "liberals" ever turned the same thing on the "right" here, even as in the above post,
(ie: Anti-American, supremist, stupid,
Terrorist loving..blah, blah) as you tend to do sometimes..

..there would be no tolerating it, so..it really should go both ways.

Mo

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Originally posted by Mo:

If "liberals" ever turned the same thing on the "right" here, even as in the above post,
(ie: Anti-American, supremist,

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I'v not been here that long but I have never seen Maddog do that. I think that was anger or hurt from the triple whammey he got on the other post.

As I said above it could have been delivered in a better fasion and once was enouph.

There are many things you write that I really like and are very funny. But this wasn't and I feel I had to say something to you.

You remember we joked about other things like that you were going to look for a swedish man for me to move here and give me massages?? This is the same person as Lisa in Arizona.

I had told you before I looked up that word Mohammedians and it is NOT a nice word!! It is like using the "n" word to describe black people. Maybe you just didn't know this as I said.

Maddog, do you really think every single Muslim person in the world is a terrorist?? If so we are in big trouble!

I am sorry but it isn't right that he posts these things. It is plain wrong! And it does disgust me and I don't feel bad that I said so, because we had this discussion before.

If someone put up a whole thread with other swear words about different racial groups, you would be up in arms!!!

Heard another poster was being run off OT so decided to take a look.

How are you feeling? I sure hope you are feeling better!!!!

Trust me friend, not all of us share the opinions of those you posted about..I sure don't.

About Off topic and some of the folks here, I have learned to SOB..= scroll on by. I try real hard to just let the BS and annoying threads go by...

But... of course sometimes I find a thread so offensive, that I just have to give my 2 cents

And usually, I end up wishing I hadn't wasted my typing fingers... as what I write falls on deaf ears. ( or blind eyes in this case, as I'm typing )

So stick around and try to ignore or SOB the threads that offend or annoy you. I have a feeling we'll both be ignoring or SOB the same threads, so we should be able to post alot to each other..lol!!

Best wishes!

I haven't seen Dan around on OT in weeks and he just pops up to post Lymenet rules and list which ones he broke.

Do all of you believe in hating people because of their religion?? Or condemning a whole group of people because of their race or religion??? We are at war with terrorists not Muslims. You are mad at Dan and I for pointing this out to Maddog? It seems that way as you are coming rushing to his defense here.

It is exactly the same as if I started a thread that said:

ALL CATHOLICS ARE REALLY GAY CHILD MOLESTERS

or

ALL JEWS GET OUT - WE DON'T WANT YOU- YOU ALL WANT MONEY AND HAVE BIG NOSES!

or

ALL CHRISTIANS ARE whatever...

It is wrong!! And it is against the rules, period. People would be freaking out.

Also, if any of you think that all Muslims are terrorists, than this is a very sad day when Americans are so uninformed. Do you have any idea how many blacks or Asian people in this country and all around the world are Muslim?

I am not going to support hatred of an entire population based on their religion. I know what it is like to be the target of racism and I can't tolerate it. I doubt that if you are a white Christian, you have any idea what it is like to be hated for your religion or the color of your skin.

Here are the real statistics for you:
Among every four humans in the world, one of them is Muslim. Muslims have increased by over 235 percent in the last fifty years up to nearly 1.6 billion. By comparison, Christians have increased by only 47 percent, Hinduism, 117 percent, and Buddhism by 63 percent. Islam is the second largest religious group in France, Great Britain and USA (Muslims in USA are 10 millions and Jews are 6 millions).

No one is attacking you personally and I have not been mean at all to you. In my post I said that is the main problem with ALL OF US! I did not single you out.

I am actually shocked that people have come rushing here to tell him though that it is ok what he did? That gives him the wrong message. I am sorry. I do not agree and I will not condone racism on the board.

It is NOT ok to post a thread called All Muslims get out. I am not going to apologize at all to anyone for letting him know that it is inappropriate. Really this is the end of my part in this and I am not going to post about it anymore. If everyone wants to chime in and keep telling Maddog its ok, that is up to them. And Dan did the right thing too, I am sorry you don't agree.
But it is plain wrong to go after an entire group of people based on their religion.

"What part is uncalled for?? I am a bit confused? Everyone comes to his rescue. You said here that you agreed with him as did Missy. But the post he posted was about all Mohamedians get out. So I am very confused. I was trying to make analogies so he can see how out of line it is.'

and here is Maddog's post:

"Hi,I am bailing out of this area forever.I never have met a bunch of people i so disagree with in my life.This web sight is about healing, not anti American,way to liberal political crap,and pro Muselim vieues. They bombed our towers people!! Bye from this part of the Lymenet,Have fun spreading the Ani american stuff here."

Ahhh...where did Maddog say " all Mohamedians get out" ???? I know lyme has effected my eyes, but I can't see where he said that?

And I didn't come to Maddog's rescue..lol! Nor did I say I agreed with his entire post.. I simply said not all of us here share the same views..it's no secret that you (and folks who share your same political views) and I see things very differently.

Lisa/Pepster said

"I do not believe that some of you condone him doing this.

Missy or Cindy, do you believe in hating people because of their religion?? Or condemning a whole group of people because of their race or religion??? We are at war with terrorists not Muslims. You are mad at Dan and I for pointing this out to Maddog? It seems that way as you are coming rushing to his defense here."

I decided not to play like this anymore. There was no need for you to bring my name up in your post, or question me about hate etc....

I didn't say one word to... or about you. Nor did I mention Dan in my post. So how the heck can you post that I am somehow mad at you and Dan??????

I have no idea what you are even talking about.

Dan and I have never had a problem in all our years posting to each other on this board. You and I have... I'll just leave it at that.

All I told Maddog was: that I hoped he was feeling better..which I do.

That I too, have found some posts to be offending or annoying, so I suggested he SOB..scroll on by.

I in no way shape or form implied or even hinted that I thought all Muslims were terrorist..give me a break!

How the heck did you get this from my post???

I simply told a fellow poster, he should SOB the threads that bother him and stick around.

Please don't try to read things into my posts..as if I have anything to say or if I am mad at someone, I will definitely say so.

I post when I see a need.

Softballmom, you defend Maddog's right to post his opinion - fine. But I also have a right to post mine, and my opinion is that when he posts inflammatory racist remarks he is violating the Lymenet rules.

And I'm glad you noticed that I responded to Maddog himself rather than "pass it on to the monitors". I'd like to give him a chance to be responsible rather than make an official complaint.

I am all for if it offends us move on and leave it alone.

That's often a good way to go. But I for one will not stand silent when I see blatant racism.

I looked up the word and I don't believe that you are a rasist and don't want others here to think that you are. The word that you used that offended them refers to all Islam and Moslem who are not all terorist. There is actually a group here in America that is a coalission(sp?) against Terrorism. I have read their website but I forget their name. I am a gun totin, country lovin, Bush supporter myself just as you and I have to agree that this word is offensive to all Islam or Moslem. If you look at the bottom of the definition it tells you offensive.

Mo�ham�med�an (m1/2-h�m``�-d...n) also Mu�ham�mad�an or Mu�ham�med�an (m�-) adj. 1. Of or relating to Mohammed or Islam; Moslem. --n. Offensive. A Moslem.

OK is everyone OK here now. Can we all go back to getting along. I was not deffending the word used. I was defending the way Maddog was tagteamed and talked to.

Hi Cindy!

(kidding here)...Hey, how does one pronounce "(m1/2-h�m``�-d...n)"?

All the hub-ub is about another post where Maddog used a particular reference that was blatantly racist (the "noun" in the above definition)..and that was "protested".
Quite simple, really, in the first place..
That was that..

but it's all spun out into something else entirely now, that doesn't have much to do with Maddog ..

Mo

Anyhow, I think you are coming in here and not really understanding everything that has happened. Your post showed up and seemed out of context, which is why I reacted that way.

And, Cindy, I am sorry, but you are wrong about the word and its definition. If you ask any Muslim, it is not a nice word. They do not like be called that word. It is considered very racist. Yes you found the definition, but not a single Muslim would ever refer to themselves this way. Second he did say he is against all Muslims. There is no doubt about that! Like I said this happened before when Maddog used the word and I did a lot of research on it and there was a whole thread about it here.

That is why it in my opinion, it is racist and wrong, to say to one whole group (based ONLY on their religion) to get out or to die or whatever!

When we start talking like that, feeling like that, etc, we are just like the terrorists. It goes against everything America stands for!

And what I feel is very interesting, is how a few people came to defend it, without even knowing the details or what it is about. What that says to me, is that some people are more interested in trashing me, or liberalism, then really knowing the truth of a specific situation. Isn't that sad!

I never trashed you and I understood the whole time what you were trying to say even though I didn't know about the word. I just thought it could have been relayed better.
I don't think Maddog would have written what he did here had he not been so upset.

I think we can all move on from here. I don't think this one is that big a mess as in the past. We did pretty well. No big name calling or raging tempers.

But not liking a republican is kind of different than not liking someone of a race or religion, don't you think??? Completely different ball of wax.

Just for the record...I never said I was "picked on"..lol! Simply said I didn't like being personally accused of something I never said or even thought.

Also in my personal opinion I don't think it's a good idea to drag other threads into new threads....

because...

I'm willing to bet that not everyone on this board, has read every post from every single poster, so when I and others read a thread, we are responding to the post at hand..not something that was said in another thread...

I think this would avoid some confusion.

A perfect example is this thread. I read Maddog's post and even agreed with some of it..

And I didn't want him to stop posting here, just because he and others don't agree on a certain subject...

And nothing he said in this thread was out of line.

So I simply asked Maddog not to leave and told him how I have been serving over here lately.. with the SOB..scroll on by.

The next thing I know, my name appears on a post, saying I somehow think all Muslims are Terrorists and that I must be a racist... and that I am somehow mad at Dan????

Leaping Lizards...

None of which is true..and it's wrong to assume I would even think these things.

So I guess I would just say that before we go spouting off at folks for something someone else said in another thread, maybe we should take the time to clearly read what a poster is saying.... in THIS thread and not try to assume things about them.

So anyways, Maddog... If I don't "see" you over here in Off Topic, I'll catch up with you over in General or Medical. I spend more time there now a days myself

Best Wishes every one..

I think being derogatory and making nasty comments about a particular political group, is uncalled for as well.

After all, if the rules are going to be enforced for one poster, I think they should be enforced for all of us..

Okay, off to bed, night everyone

~LymeBrat

Good night everyone!!

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Originally posted by 24bit:
Maddog, sorry to see how you've been treated. It is a shame.

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Originally posted by Pepster:
How he has been treated?? You are agreeing with him? It seems that you are only making this statement to start conflict on the board. Why else would you make this statement? He made a negative remark about an entire group of people based on their religion that people felt was racist and we said something to him-that it was against the lymenet rules. And you chime in and tell him you are sorry for how he was treated? I see that again your only function on this board Mike is to instigate conflict. Now that is what is really a shame. Please do not do this again. I am sure many would appreciate this.

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But Missy! He was leaving because of the other thread. So it had to be referred to. Otherwise the whole thing would have been out of context.

I have no problem referring folks to another thread, so that they will better understand my views...( maybe it would help if a link were provided for those interested...)

But you did more than that..you posted my name and then accused me personally, of hating Muslims, being a racist and more, simply because I posted to Maddog on this thread.

I didn't deserve that....

All I am saying is, not everyone reads all the threads here. I haven't read the thread you are referring to and probably won't. SOB...

I simply posted about what was said on this thread and as I said, Maddog didn't post anything out of line on this thread.

So there was no reason to make those accusations about me personally..as I had no clue what you were talking about..nor would anyone else who is reading this thread, unless they read the other thread you refer to...

I guess I just don't like others putting words in my mouth or making accusations about me, just because I posted to someone on this thread, who posted something they disagreed with on another thread.

Oy...talk about confusing..lol!

Anyways, thanks for editing my name out of your post, I appreciate it.

Look at this scene you caused!! (actually not)

Yeesh, guys..what the heck?

The rules are basic and apply to each of us, posters have a choice to speak up if they feel offended (and some do it often )
but, really should do so if something is actually out of hand, and actually is breaking the rules.

Maddog can take heed or not, that's his choice, some of us have asked that the really offensive racial remarks stop before.
Simple.

Why all the bashing between everyone now?

Seriously, all the rest of this just looks like everyone choosing sides just to take shots at eachother..directly, through innuendo, ect, ect.

Mo

All I ask is that folks don't start calling me a racist, telling me I hate Muslims and such, simply because I posted to Maddog asking him not to leave...

I'm not sure if you were able to read the thread Lisa/Pepster's posted about all this, as she edited the post after softballmom asked her to...

Perhaps if you did, you can understand why I'm not thrilled...

I don't take kindly to people jumping to conclusions and putting false words in my mouth.

No matter how you look at it, or whose side your on, it's wrong and I don't think any of us would appreciate it and certainly none of us deserve it.

Now that I have made my point, I plan on letting this go. Lisa edited her post and I thanked her for that.

I just hope that folks will think before they start posting assumptions, about fellow posters in the future...

Listen, no one on here treated Maddoggie badly. That is where it is obvious that you 24 were trying to stir to the pot. Telling someone they broke the terms of lymenet is not treating them badly. Maybe he didn't even know what he was saying? By telling him you were sorry, what you did was condone what he did. There is no doubt about it-you can cover your tracks all you want but that is what you did. And what is continuing to happen on here, is that if someone is "on the other side" you agree with everything they say and are empathetic, but if it is a liberal, then the opposite happens. It is very clear this is happening and its too bad, because as long as it does, it will be harder for everyone to get along.

Maddog it is racist and it is hateful. Maybe you don't think so, but to me hating all Muslims is the same as the Nazi's hating all Jews in Germany. Maybe you didn't realize it like I said-I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt. There are many times I like talking with you and you are funny. But when we start hating people for their religion, then we are the same or worse than the terrorists. That is my only point to you. Can't you see that?? Hate the terrorists all you want because they are evil. But to hate all Muslims?? Think of all the poor Muslim children in our country who were born here and are American citizens and are then victims of hate crimes. This is a serious ongoing problem here-hate crimes against Muslims and Jews. It happens every day in this country and elsewhere and it's awful and certainly does not move us all towards the idea of living together where all religions and races are honored. Hate crimes are at an all time high right now. There are groups of pure white supremicists in this country who hate everyone else and to them it is a race issue.

Missy! For the record, I did not accuse you of hating Muslims or of being a racist! Not even remotely!! I simply asked you if you agreed with what maddog said. Big difference!!! I then realized right after that you had no idea regarding the other post, so I erased your and Cindy's name.

Yes Lisa, I am thankful that you edited my name and the comments about me out of your post... thank you.

But .... you Did accuse/imply that I must be a racist and that I must hate all Muslims because I posted to Maddog. Cindy and I both read it.

No biggie..let's move on.

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Originally posted by Pepster:
Missy! Listen, no one on here treated Maddoggie badly. That is where it is obvious that you (missing - 'AND') 24 were trying to stir to the pot.

By telling him you were sorry, what you did was condone what he did. There is no doubt about it-you can cover your tracks all you want but that is what you did.

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Boy, the kettle is black.

Maddoggie, after all is said and done and reading your last comment here, what I feel is sad for you. Sad that you don't seem to understand at all what people were trying to tell you here.

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Originally posted by Pepster:
Jill, please stop posting inflammatory and hateful posts. Can't you just leave the past behind and move on?? You are so incredibly hostile towards me it is frightening. From now on, every time you post something to me that is personally attacking, like this, I am going to highlight it. Then if it continues, i will start sending them to the moderator. So just cut it out and ignore me-do yourself and myself a favor and please stop posting mean posts to me.

Maddoggie, after all is said and done and reading your last comment here, what I feel is sad for you. Sad that you don't seem to understand at all what people were trying to tell you here.

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Lisa, please stop being so mean to me. I mean, do you even realize how mean you have been to me lately? I'm sure others on here would agree with me.

You twist my words around to make me look bad. And you are always so negative to me.

You attack and either I stick up for myself or for another poster and, in return, you attack me (or attack me again).

You are always the first to give your opinion to others - especially if you disagree - but yet, I'm not allowed to do the same.

So, please stop. I'd appreciate it if you just SOB all of my posts or remarks.

THANK YOU!

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Originally posted by Pepster:
UH, excuse me Jill, but the opposite here is happening and you know it. It has been going on all week whenever I post something, you have responded with something mean and inflammatory to me on purpose. I feel like I am in high school with a bully after me, and that bully is you. I have asked you for the last time, please do not do this. I have nothing against you, I just want you to stop being so mean to me on this board. If you can't contain yourself, than maybe you shouldn't post on off topic. I don't care what opinion you post on anything to be honest, but what you have been doing is personally attacking me or others on several posts. That is very different. If you just would stop doing this, I am sure all would be fine Jill. Thanks for trying!

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well he'd do little ornery things, not really a big deal. better to ignore and he would stop on his own.

well, my sister kept correcting and scolding him until i was ready to stop the car and let HER out...

know what i mean? it would be good to let this post go down on the topics page....

"I like what Missy said a few posts back. She nicely but assertively pointed out her issue and then said: "No biggie..Let's move on". I'm trying to use the Missy-model from now on. "

Hey 24bit...

I find it's easier just to make your point and move on... that way others reading the thread know where you stand on the issue and know that you are done commenting about it..

But I must warn you that using the "Missy model" with some folks here, will likely get you in hot water..heeeee heee