I would ask that anyone who wants to rant about the high salaries of non-profit CEO's start a new thread.

There is extensive discussion at the UAN Online Community about how people can help if they are not already trained volunteers. I hope that many people will join that discussion and offer whatever support you are able.
 

my 2 cents.

Suz

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I am not part of this non-profit, but am familiar with them and believe them to be an excellent group.

Please get out of this thread. This is NOT the time to be politicizing rescue efforts.

Suz:

I have no doubt that the human rescue teams will get all the support they need. As such, I have chosen to focus on animal rescue. If you want to urge people to donate to the human rescue and relief efforts, please also start another thread on that subject.

Suzanne
 

After all the Humans are safe then you can worry about pets.

Suz
 

I am sure that there are many others who feel the same as you. This thread is not for any of you. It is NOT what this thread is about.

This thread is for people who are concerned about and want to help animals in danger. Remember that these animals belong to people who care about them very much, can't help them now, but want someone else to help them on their behalf.

By the time the human rescue efforts are over, these animals will all be dead, so your comment about helping people so they can then help their pets is nonsensical.

Please, if you do not want to help animal rescue efforts, then, by all means, don't. But please stay out of the way of those who do.

I started this thread to provide information to anyone who wants to help with animal rescue and relief efforts, not to defend the need to provide them.

As such, I will not be posting any further responses in this thread except to bump it back up if necessary.

If anyone needs more information, please email me.
 

If these groups go into New Orleans to rescue animals, do they pass by and leave people on roofs and in trees?

This is one time all your efforts need to be directed to the safe guard and care of humans.

Suz
 

Alternatively, the ASPCA is also accepting donations for animal rescue efforts: http://www.aspca.org/site/PageServer

as is the Houston Humane Society who are sheltering almost 300 animals brought there from LA shelters: http://www.houstonhumane.org/index.aspx
 

The Form 990 seems to be located at GuideStar, which requires registration and log in. I am in contact with the president of UAN to see if there is some other way to access the Form 990 information.

Also, UAN has been evaluated by the BBB Wise Giving Alliance and certified "Best in America" by the Independent Charities of America.

Links to this information can be found at this page: http://www.uan.org/donate/financial_info.html

 

Yes, the full force of the US government is behind the human rescue and relief efforts. The animals should not be forgotten, and fortunately there are people and organizations out there to step in.

One need only read the message boards with pleas from frantic pet owners begging these animal rescue organizations to rescue their pets to understand the human benefit of these efforts.

There is another thread in this forum about the human rescue efforts for those who do not understand the need for animal rescue groups.
 

TickednTX I applaud your efforts to bring awareness and support to the animal life, as they often go ignored in situations like this..

Yet I feel if you have posted a public thread, you should not feel you can dictate the responses that come forth.

The fact is the human suffering has NOT been addressed, and so this is a terrible tradgedy that's hard to 'compartmentalize' under thread titles related to it.

Raz: it's always important to look at the credibility of any establishment..

I think the animals need care and I plan to donate accordingly..

however the comment re: the 'stupid owners'
is cold..
and blaming the human victims.

The majority of victims were below the poverty level..
unable to leave..
and also victims of which the knowledge was had by all officials of their plight in poverty and the knowledge of the crippled infrastructure in New Orleans.. and therefore the potential disaster following a hurricaine..
and this knowledge was had well before and after this storm hit..

The fact that many would not be able to leave, and that the levies were faulty.

Then...even IF one could be so cold as to blame victims (and I see this being done in the media as well)...many of those victims have infants and children...or are pregnant...

and then, if we are limited in resourses to donate funds..

do we save the pets and damn the children with their 'stupid' owners?

Just a few thoughts as to the response and insight into this disaster.

The lack of government response throughout is also a huge concern...
and worth citizen's efforts to acertain and put in perspective...
hold accountable as to our government's responsibility or lack thereof as this could have been any of us.....

The fact that the first of the water came 4 days after the storm, that many are dyeing of DEHYDRATION and STARVATION in the convention center to which they were led and promised food and water 4 days ago, and got none...that the looting was let go only to be controlled to date by LOCAL police, that we have a military and AIR force capable of saving other countries and not available to save our own (??), that food and water was dropped over Iraq and not New Orleans, among many other things..ARE to me.........
most alarming for all animal and human life in the U.S. of A.

There is no excuse for this, it is totally inexcusable and the priority in concern IMO.

Mo

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The point of my post was 'folks that didn't listen to the warnings and left their animals behind'. Why are you including people that don't have animals? We're talking about animals here!!

Every single person had a several days notice to leave town, or go to a last resort shelter. They had several days notice to get their pets and go. However, many didn't listen, they stayed at home and let their pets run around outside or in the house. The poor animals didn't know the storm was coming and they didn't have a chance to make a decision for themselves. The people did and they paid a price themselves. The animals didn't have a choice.

Yes sad things do happen to people that make stupid decisions and yes they were stupid for not listenning to the warnings, and now many animals have suffered terrible deaths because of their stupidity. Some left their animals behind because they didn't care. I guess Mo thinks they don't deserve to be criticized for their bad decisions, but that's why Mo is a bleeding heart liberal extremist. So although Mo's response to me all makes sense, it's still shocking. Yes, I'm mad at the people that hurt their animals, and I'm not afraid to say it. Too bad Mo.

Earth to Mo......the rescues have been slow because A LOT of people are shooting at them!!! Why don't you go volunteer and take a few shots? The state of LA is doing a terrible job....no leadership. The first response is supposed to be state and then Feds follow in. There was no initial LA state national guard response and that's why the violence got out of control.

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Look, there are a lot of things that need to be done, and sending money to feed animals is something I would love to do. Who is going to feed them and followup with their aftercare if their owners are DEAD?

I know some people that were fortunate enough to get notification from outside the state and be warned of the impending storm. They caught the last possible flight. There were no more rental cars, or cabs.

Animals are NOT stupid when a storm is going to arrive. They are actually the first to know. You DO NOT keep animals caged or tied in a storm like this. More animals survived the Sunami than people because of this natural instinct. Study up

Lymester
 

Anyone who wants to focus on the animals, and only the animals (not the ridiculousness in some of the posts here), in a supportive atmosphere please come to the UAN message boards: http://uan.infopop.cc/groupee/forums/a/frm/f/124103991

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Just wanted to put my 2 cents in

I am for the animals...they have no voice. I don't want humans to suffer but there is no reason that we can't do it all. My pets are my children and I wouldn't dare leave them behind.IMO

I feel for everyone..but I have to wonder since I live in FLorida...the basic needs for a hurricane is canned goods, water, and a radio and batteries...these are not expensive items..why didn't these people have those bare necessities?

If they had a radio they would be able to get announcements and know that the levee was leaking and may not hold up so they could try to get to a better place...

Not placing blame, just wondering why?

after all, the animals and people are suffering from the same enourmous tradgedy..
the same inadequate response and the
aftermath which is worse than the actual storm --
maybe it's just hard to separate the two at the moment.

(Ticked, I'm sure you don't mean that part was rediculous.)

I agree that personal potshots are of no use and terribly insensitive in light of the enormity of this tredgedy.

It's not about party lines, it's about life and death.

Mo

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Originally posted by Lymester:
24-bit? Mo is sounding liberal? is this all about politics between those of on line? Shall I say that you appear to post like an on-the-fence, whatever works for you, narrow-minded conservative?

Look, there are a lot of things that need to be done, and sending money to feed animals is something I would love to do. Who is going to feed them and followup with their aftercare if their owners are DEAD?

I know some people that were fortunate enough to get notification from outside the state and be warned of the impending storm. They caught the last possible flight. There were no more rental cars, or cabs.

Animals are NOT stupid when a storm is going to arrive. They are actually the first to know. You DO NOT keep animals caged or tied in a storm like this. More animals survived the Sunami than people because of this natural instinct. Study up

Lymester

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24-bit? Mo is sounding liberal? is this all about politics between those of on line?

Mo's post was completely politically motivated by her left liberal mindset. She hates Bush and Republicans like there was no tomorrow and will stop at nothing to blame & attempt to make them look bad........hence the blaming of the Feds (Bush) and not mentioning the catastrophic empty local/state response (Democrat). Her opinion is purely determined by who is Republican and who is Democrat......and if you've been reading Off Topic for a long time, you've seen it at least a few hundred times.....it's no secret around here. She also doesn't believe in holding people accountable for their actions if they're poor democrat minorities. That was also obvious in her post, another far left issue. Mo makes everything political. That's just the way she is.

Shall I say that you appear to post like an on-the-fence, whatever works for you, narrow-minded conservative?

On the fence? LOL, I'm never on the fence....always have an opinion. What does that mean? What works for me is the truth, and I'm not a conservative, try a moderate. Maybe I look conservative to you because you're so far to the left, I'm not sure.

Look, there are a lot of things that need to be done, and sending money to feed animals is something I would love to do.

No you don't, you contradicted yourself later in this post by saying the animals will survive on their own in disasters because they have an instinct to protect themselves and that they don't need help. So don't tell me that you're concerned about the animals, because that's complete crap.

Who is going to feed them and followup with their aftercare if their owners are DEAD?

Duh! The animal rescuers are going to rescue them and take them to a place for them to stay until their owners claim them. If not they'll be adopted. If the owner doesn't come back, they'll get another home. So if the owners are DEAD, you just want to leave them out there to DIE? You're real nice.

I know some people that were fortunate enough to get notification from outside the state and be warned of the impending storm.

LOL, like it was a big secret within the state or something! People knew 5 DAYS ahead of time that a hurricane would probably effect their area and 3 days that a major one would definitely hit. You can't tell me that people didn't know it was coming. That's a crock. Making excuses for the stupid decisions people made isn't going to get you anywhere. People just didn't want to believe it was going to be bad, and they rationalized it. What does this have to do with your problem with us rescuing pets????

They caught the last possible flight. There were no more rental cars, or cabs.

There were `last resort' shelters, like 20 of them in the city. The biggest was the Superdome, but there were others all over the city. There were volunteers to help elderly get to the shelters if they called ahead of time. I understand that pets were allowed in the `last resort' shelters. There's no excuse for anyone not to have either gotten out of town or at least gotten to a last resort local shelter. None!

Animals are NOT stupid when a storm is going to arrive.

Wow, my cats never act any different right before a big storm comes in. LOL.

They are actually the first to know.

Some animals in the jungle such as elephants, or others like jackals, deer, some birds, etc. appear to have a sixth sense about earthquake vibrations and may be able to hear water farther away than humans......which scares them. What this has to do with kittens, cats, puppies, and dogs in an urban city environment is beyond me! That's like comparing concrete with grass.

You DO NOT keep animals caged or tied in a storm like this.

Wow, you ain't kidding! Also, never throw a cage in a swimming pool with an animal in it. The animal might not be able to make it out. LOL.

More animals survived the Sunami than people because of this natural instinct.

Now equivocating the large animals escaping the tsunami in open nature with dogs and cats escaping the urban New Orleans flood is beyond rediculous. It's the most un-thought out claim I've heard in recent times. Are you really serious? Do you realize the enormous differences between the two? In the tsunami the animals felt the quake and sensed something was wrong and ran for higher ground. People saw the animals acting weird.....I don't think anyone disagrees with that. They ran for higher ground!

OK, let's see, so you're thinking that all the kitties and dogs had a sixth sense and were able to break out of their houses/yards and head for higher ground 7 miles away............and that maybe there's a hill where they're 1,000's of them are all hanging out right now???? I can just see it now, you're driving down the freeway with your wife the day before the hurricane and you say, ``Look honey, there's 1,000's of dogs and cats running along the road heading for higher ground! Wow, we better take that as a sign and get out of here because there's a disaster coming!'' LOL, no, we all know that even if all of them knew something was coming (and they didn't), they still wouldn't be able to get to high ground like the tsunami. They probably drowned in the house or out in the street or alley. They can't tread water very long and if they couldn't grab and get traction on something fairly quick they would get tired and drown. And even if they did find an isolated spot as a high point, they would quickly become starved and weak and wouldn't be able to catch rodents or eat grass to survive.

It's going to take at least a month to drain the city. Could a dog or cat survive on the top of a car, house, or on a branch for even a week in the sun at that temp? No way! Their only chance is a Human Society Animal Boat Rescuer (or similar) that will pick them up and take them to safety........END OF STORY That whole instinct excuse looks so off-the-chart ridiculous now, doesn't it? It completely defies common sense and logical thinking. Geez, you might want to think things through a little next time.

Study up

LOL, I'll bet you wish you could take back that comment now. Too funny.

 

Politics SHPULD NOT have a place in this and other disasters, and it seems the true political bias is in thinking they do.

Mo

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Originally posted by Mo:

24, I'd ask that you not make such judgements and assumptions about me personally. My response is to this disaster and you have not the right or knowledge to
project your personal judgement otherwise.

Mo

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Sorry Mo, there are literally hundreds of posts where you explain your philosophy very clearly. I stand by my comments, because they match what you've put in writing.

 

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Originally posted by Lymester:
I don't regret anything I said. LOL

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Now THAT'S funny. But of course you can't explain any of it. LOL.