Let's hear it for standing up for defenseless creatures!
DaveS
Posted by heiwalove (Member # 6467) on :
hmm. it is quite interesting to me that you are far more committed to animal rights than human rights. both are important, of course. but there is indeed a disconnect in your politics.
Posted by meg (Member # 22) on :
My what a rude thing to say....
Thanks for this 24, sounds like the judge is a thinker.
Posted by heiwalove (Member # 6467) on :
i didn't mean for it to be rude; merely an observation.
i don't understand folks who think the rights of animals are more important than those of people. it makes no sense to me whatsoever. that's all.
Posted by 24bit (Member # 6531) on :
I have no idea what you're talking about. The fact that everyone else on both sides of the fence gets it, means that you ought to go back to the drawing board and start over. LOL. Posted by meg (Member # 22) on :
No one on this post said that the rights of animals supercede the rights of humans.....or am I reading it wrong---went thru it twice!
If it helps any, I do agree that humans come first....but this woman was out of control.
Posted by heiwalove (Member # 6467) on :
my comment wasn't in reference to only this post (i agree that what this woman did was horrible) -- i was simply trying to underscore the fact that people who support bush and this war (who, in my opinion, lack a necessary respect for the rights of all people around the world), while simultaneously opposing cruelty to animals, make no sense to me whatsoever.
animal cruelty = bad. war = bad. killing of innocent people, lying to gain approval, lack of moral ethics = bad. racism and not giving two ****s about people because they are brown or muslim or whatever = bad.
this is why i don't support peta: their other politics are questionable at best.
Posted by Mo (Member # 2863) on :
Well, yes, I agree what happened here is horrible ...yet it is baffling to see those who exibit support for animals who at the same time simply 'LOL' your way through every aspect of this War.. considering the immense human and animal suffering in Iraq, that being a laughing matter makes posts like this confusing IMO.
Hundreds of thousands of animals have died as a consequence of human warmaking..in Iraq the suffering has been tremendous. Do you also advocate support for animal life in the Middle East?
here, for example, is just one element of human/animal suffering (in adition to this is efects of bombing, no clean water or food, as well as white phospherous and the continued use of D.U.) .. and what is the justification for this? (not to mention the effect on himans, childean, and the unborn:
Depleted Uranium And Its Impact On Animals and Environment in Iraq and Algeria
Prof. Dr. Al- Aboudi Abdul Kadhum Alaboudi Oran University, College of Science, Faculty of Biology, 31000 Oran
French nuclear tests in Algeria from 1960-1967 (Al-Aboudi 2000), and USA military activities in Iraq in have thrown huge amounts of uranium contamination (and, in the case of Iraq, left thousands tons of depleted uranium, or “DU”) over large areas of Algeria and Iraq respectively. As a result, the people, animals, and environments in these areas have been and will continue to be irradiated by ionizing radiation for long periods of time.
There are strong associations between the rise in incidence of some health problems in Iraq and the exposure to the war environment over time.
This study aims to reveal the toxic effects of weapons used in nuclear tests and in war on cells counts and on cell structure of experimental animals which lived in regions contaminated with depleted uranium (DU).
Biological samples collected from different bombarded sites showed positive results on experimental camels.
Many epidemiology of cancer and many changes in hematological parameters were observed in blood samples taken from jugular vein of Iraqi and Algerian camels ,Camels dromadarious, in the southern governorates in Iraq, namely Basrah; and in the southern Sahara region, namely Ragan in Algeria.
This is an hematological analytic study comparing the various hematological parameters of the blood of camels which lived in two different regions: in south-Saharan Algeria, where they had been exposed to ionizing radiation from French nuclear weapons tests from 1960-68; and in southern Iraq, where they had presumably been exposed to ionizing radiation from the use of du weapons used by the Coalition Forces during the first Gulf War in 1991.
The study is designed to assess the association between the observed health problems of the animals which lived in regions contaminated with radioactive isotopes (from French nuclear weapons tests in Algeria and DU weapons use in Iraq), and their exposure to this radiation.
Many tests have shown leukemia in both Iraqi and Algerian people, camels and other animals. Within a given tissue, like blood, the cells vary greatly in their response to radiation and dose rate, the time, and period of exposure. It is known (Eitam et al. 1976) that camels have high resistance to the various environmental stressors found in the different environments in which they live, and that their erythrocytes have osmotic resistance to hyperthermia and also to radiation effects.
The high hemolysis was observed in blood samples of camels, which had stayed a long time in some contaminated regions. From different studies and results, which were measured in our laboratory, erythrocytes of healthy camels showed a high resistance to heat and radiation. At the same time the human erythrocytes show more sensitivity to effects of radiation. That means the humans in these regions are more severely affected by the ionizing radiation.
Mo
Posted by meg (Member # 22) on :
Heiwalove: my comment wasn't in reference to only this post (i agree that what this woman did was horrible) -- i was simply trying to underscore the fact that people who support bush and this war (who, in my opinion, lack a necessary respect for the rights of all people around the world), while simultaneously opposing cruelty to animals, make no sense to me whatsoever.
animal cruelty = bad. war = bad. killing of innocent people, lying to gain approval, lack of moral ethics = bad. racism and not giving two ****s about people because they are brown or muslim or whatever = bad.
this is why i don't support peta: their other politics are questionable at best. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mo: Well, yes, I agree what happened here is horrible ...yet it is baffling to see those who exibit support for animals who at the same time simply 'LOL' your way through every aspect of this War.. considering the immense human and animal suffering in Iraq, that being a laughing matter makes posts like this confusing IMO.
Hundreds of thousands of animals have died as a consequence of human warmaking..in Iraq the suffering has been tremendous. Do you also advocate support for animal life in the Middle East?
********************************************** Meg: Gee, how naive of me to assume that the above story had nothing to do with the war in Iraq.
Guess when I read a story of any kind from now on, I will have to consider the war and its implications to the story, no matter how tenious.
Maybe you'd better inform those who post jokes that they cannot laugh with a war going on, maybe in the other forums they are not aware that they must think of the war implications before posting. At this rate, any posting should be graded on whether it takes the war into consideration.
This is sillyness....no, I'll call it what it is. You're harassing the original poster.
Posted by Mo (Member # 2863) on :
Harrassing??
It seems to me that genuine concern for animal (including human) rights should transend politics.
Something wrong with bringing up a far more serious concern in Iraq? Or do animals suffer the same political bias as human's do?
Mo
Posted by 24bit (Member # 6531) on :
Just what in the hell does this have to do with Iraq, Mo? You're waaaaaaaaaaaay off topic and you're harrassing me and others. You and your friend are also insulting me by saying that I don't care about human life. Moderator notified.
Posted by 24bit (Member # 6531) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mo: Well, yes, I agree what happened here is horrible ...yet it is baffling to see those who exibit support for animals who at the same time simply 'LOL' your way through every aspect of this War.. considering the immense human and animal suffering in Iraq, that being a laughing matter makes posts like this confusing IMO.
Hundreds of thousands of animals have died as a consequence of human warmaking..in Iraq the suffering has been tremendous. Do you also advocate support for animal life in the Middle East?
here, for example, is just one element of human/animal suffering (in adition to this is efects of bombing, no clean water or food, as well as white phospherous and the continued use of D.U.) .. and what is the justification for this? (not to mention the effect on himans, childean, and the unborn:
Depleted Uranium And Its Impact On Animals and Environment in Iraq and Algeria
Prof. Dr. Al- Aboudi Abdul Kadhum Alaboudi Oran University, College of Science, Faculty of Biology, 31000 Oran
French nuclear tests in Algeria from 1960-1967 (Al-Aboudi 2000), and USA military activities in Iraq in have thrown huge amounts of uranium contamination (and, in the case of Iraq, left thousands tons of depleted uranium, or “DU”) over large areas of Algeria and Iraq respectively. As a result, the people, animals, and environments in these areas have been and will continue to be irradiated by ionizing radiation for long periods of time.
There are strong associations between the rise in incidence of some health problems in Iraq and the exposure to the war environment over time.
This study aims to reveal the toxic effects of weapons used in nuclear tests and in war on cells counts and on cell structure of experimental animals which lived in regions contaminated with depleted uranium (DU).
Biological samples collected from different bombarded sites showed positive results on experimental camels.
Many epidemiology of cancer and many changes in hematological parameters were observed in blood samples taken from jugular vein of Iraqi and Algerian camels ,Camels dromadarious, in the southern governorates in Iraq, namely Basrah; and in the southern Sahara region, namely Ragan in Algeria.
This is an hematological analytic study comparing the various hematological parameters of the blood of camels which lived in two different regions: in south-Saharan Algeria, where they had been exposed to ionizing radiation from French nuclear weapons tests from 1960-68; and in southern Iraq, where they had presumably been exposed to ionizing radiation from the use of du weapons used by the Coalition Forces during the first Gulf War in 1991.
The study is designed to assess the association between the observed health problems of the animals which lived in regions contaminated with radioactive isotopes (from French nuclear weapons tests in Algeria and DU weapons use in Iraq), and their exposure to this radiation.
Many tests have shown leukemia in both Iraqi and Algerian people, camels and other animals. Within a given tissue, like blood, the cells vary greatly in their response to radiation and dose rate, the time, and period of exposure. It is known (Eitam et al. 1976) that camels have high resistance to the various environmental stressors found in the different environments in which they live, and that their erythrocytes have osmotic resistance to hyperthermia and also to radiation effects.
The high hemolysis was observed in blood samples of camels, which had stayed a long time in some contaminated regions. From different studies and results, which were measured in our laboratory, erythrocytes of healthy camels showed a high resistance to heat and radiation. At the same time the human erythrocytes show more sensitivity to effects of radiation. That means the humans in these regions are more severely affected by the ionizing radiation.
Mo
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Posted by 24bit (Member # 6531) on :
quote:Originally posted by heiwalove: hmm. it is quite interesting to me that you are far more committed to animal rights than human rights. both are important, of course. but there is indeed a disconnect in your politics.
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Posted by Loribelle (Member # 6293) on :
so...... what was the topic again?
Posted by Mo (Member # 2863) on :
Ya..
it was definately a comment on other posts as well as this one. But it is perplexing. Is that an attack? I mean, it's not like I'm calling you an extremist wacko or anything like that
I'm interested as to whether the animal activism has political bias.. just as I do not understand 'pro-lifers' supporting this War.
I'm curious as to your views on animal/human sufering in Iraq. Things are pretty horendous for them there.
I guess it's also a point that is not just directed at you. Some folks who have interests in advocating for things like this are obtuse about the tremendous amount of suffering in Iraq.
It's kind of hard for me to ignore that in comparison when rights issues are raised..
You know, like the 'elephant in the living room.'
Sorry if that made you uncomfortable. I think it's a fair question considering........
Mo
[ 20. November 2005, 07:04 PM: Message edited by: Mo ]
Posted by LymeOjai (Member # 8325) on :
OKAY, I'M THE NEW PERSON ON THE BLOCK. I HAVE A SISTER WITH LD AND I CURRENTLY HAVE INSOMNIA.
I HAVE BEEN BRINGING MYSELF UP-TO-DATE ON THE LD AND JUST HAPPENED OVER TO THIS SIDE.
I'VE READ SEVERAL POSTS AND I'VE EVEN ADDED MY INPUT TO ONE.
I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED, SO I'LL ASK SOME OF YOU OLD HANDS TO HELP ME.
HOW IN THE WORLD DOES A NEWSPAPER ARTICLE CONCERNING SOME IDIOT AND HER CATS HAVE ANYTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH IRAQ???
DID I MISS SOMETHING??
I'VE GONE BACK A FEW DAYS AND READ SEVERAL OF THE POSTS CONCERNING THE POLITICS OF SOME OF THE MEMBERS AND I CAN'T BELIEVE SOME OF THE STUFF I'VE BEEN READING.
I GUESS I NOW KNOW HOW THE ORIGINATOR OF THE BOARD CAME UP WITH THE TITLE: OFF TOPIC. IT APPEARS OFF-THE-WALL MIGHT HAVE BEEN AN EVEN BETTER TITLE.
Posted by lymie tony z (Member # 5130) on :
ya gotta understand how to connect the dots...
lets see...we eat at Mcdonalds so the Hindus hate us...
We also eat barbaque so the muslims hate us...
We eat at kentucky fried chicken places so Peta hates us....
We make our own beer so the Germans hate us...
We make better wine so the French really hate us...oh yeah we make better fries too....
So killing animals and crushing plants just to feed our faces and not visiting their war torn suicide bombing countries on vacation where we would spend our dollars...makes all the IMO backward nations hate us....
liking our pets and feeding them better than what most people get to eat in most oil for food projects...makes them madder than heck.......
lets see oh yeah that's why we're over their in Iraq....
Hope I cleared all that up for ya...gee "it's just that simple".......
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