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Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
 
In the two years that I have been coming onto Lymenet, I have learned so much about this disease. Several people have contributed to that knowledge. The most valuable for me personally has been the information that was shared here by GiGi.

I didn't understand it all at first and probably still don't understand all of it today. Her knowledge based on her years of working with Dr. K is really quite amazing. The free-flowing information that she shares here has been incredibly valuable and I have benefited from it in many ways.

Unfortunately, not everyone agrees with the information that she shares and at times she may make a comment or two that people do not like.

I truly believe that her passion for wanting people to get well is deep and very present. I have never seen someone spend the amount of time that she spends on the phone with people, sharing her experiences with so many.

Sadly for me, I understand that she has been banned from Lymenet and is no longer allowed to post. I find this very unfortunate as this cuts of access to information which may further have benefited me or many others here that appreciate what she had to say.

She is one of few people (probably the only one) that fully understands the approaches that Dr. K has used to treat people with chronic illnesses and to me, the information was a lifeline that is now gone.

I am definitely missing her presence here today... I feel like we are all now a little more in the dark than we were when she was here.
 

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Posted by valymemom (Member # 7076) on :
 
Could not have said it any better, Scott.
 

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Posted by kelmo (Member # 8797) on :
 
Banned?! What!? What the...?!
 

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Posted by RoadRunner (Member # 380) on :
 
it is sad that this happen but there are a lot of people that just can't scroll on by.

then they complain like kids....

she always had great info. I am better today because of her and all the info she gave me.

Do you know why she was kick off here??

RR
 

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Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
 
I may not have all the details but it was something to do with a post that was later removed from the board as far as I can tell (or I cannot find it now) where she made a generalization that there were lots of complainers here and that people were digging their own graves with their negativity.

As to what specific Lymenet rule she violated, I am not sure. I just know what she got an email from Lymenet stating that her ability to post had been removed. I find it very discouraging.

And yet I realize that some people will be happy to hear that she is no longer here to offer an opposing or alternate point of view.
 

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Posted by oxygenbabe (Member # 5831) on :
 
Why don't you have her email you what she wants to post, and then you compile her emails monthly onto your website as a "Letter from Gigi", and then post the link here?
 

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Posted by hardynaka (Member # 8099) on :
 
I was wondering where was Gigi in the last days as I saw nothing from her lately.

Scott, thanks for explaining us.

I wonder what's the reason too.

It's the biggest loss in this board. If she's going to be suspended for longer, I think I'll pack my bags and go too!
 

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Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
 
Good idea, Oxygenbabe, but unfortunately, Scott isn't allowed to post the link to his own website for what is basically a possible `conflict of interest' reason.....

But there is certainly no reason that Scott - or anyone - cannot simply `copy and paste' some ``Letters from Gigi'' right into a new thread on occasion.....

And by the way, I am absolutely shocked and outraged that Gigi has been banned. People remain on this board who have done and said far worse than what Gigi ever posted. What a travesty. She was a genuine asset to LymeNet.

Tracy
 

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Posted by robi (Member # 5547) on :
 
This is crazy! One of the most helpful folks is banned? Others say and make all kinds of accusations here on Lymenet. What happened to spirited debate?

Please unban Gigi ..........

robi
 

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Posted by dmc (Member # 5102) on :
 
just sad, oh sad.
 

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Posted by Foggy (Member # 1584) on :
 
I don't want to 2nd guess the moderators, but I will say it's VERY important to have Lymies in remission stay & help newbies.

I've seen too many come, find remission, then go back to their busy lives. It's important to stick around, even if transient to help guide newbies. In times of despair, a kinf & sympathetic voice of hope that people do recover can be very reassuring.

Many of us, including GiGi stick around out of the goodness of our hearts. Having Lyme veterans is a privilege, not a right. We're all different cases and no 1 treatment modality works for all of us. Keeping an open mind and ears is essential.

I should also mention that GiGi's emphatic posts appear due to her dedication to wellness, and spreading the gospel. Her bedside manner is at times, direct, but she means well.

This board is about give & take. Unfortunately, many just take. Consequently, I appreciate the Gigi's of this world who give. This should be appreciated and not forgotten.

[ 15. September 2007, 09:41 PM: Message edited by: Foggy ]
 

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Posted by Just Me (Member # 11827) on :
 
In my opinion, banning someone from a forum should be a thoughtful decision, based on breaking rules and regulations. It should be a final measure to be used only when other options have failed. This is especially the case when someone has been a long-time member who has contributed a lot.

For example, first the member could be requested to follow the rules and regulations. If the member doesn't comply with the request, there could follow a warning. If the member still doesn't comply, he or she could be banned for a short period, let's say a week, to let him or her know it is serious.

I just hope the decision to ban someone permanently is not being taken lightly.
 

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Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
Too many with an agenda on this site. There's one person that shows up when anyone posts the word rife. Rife word brings out the insanely against anything alternative, proven or not proven. Gigi's posts irrated a small group and she called them Negative Nelly's and they got mad.

Gigi wasn't the guilty one (as far as I seen). But I'm a firm believer in "Every dog will have his(her) day."

I'm sending a post to Lou & all moderators to voice my complaints.

Pam
 

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Posted by 5dana8 (Member # 7935) on :
 
this is just pathedic

I am also going to e-mail the moderators.


This really makes me so sad
 

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Posted by lymeout (Member # 8045) on :
 
I am so in agreement that Gigi SHOULD NOT BE BANNED! It is obvious that many of us have benefitted from her contributions, and should not be denied because there are others who don't agree with the protocol she presents.

I really think it should be explained exactly what rule she broke. If it was calling someone a negative nellie, I would be willing to bet that, while complainants may not have name-called, their comments were more rude and malicious than that!

I have not liked every comment I have read here, or felt that there was merit to every remedy; but I have respected the rights of all to express themselves. As I have gotten to know those whose opinions I don't value, I simply skip over them I have never presumed that my own feelings should be considered over someone else's, denying everyone a chance to hear all and make their own decisions. I don't appreciate that others have been able to do that. I realize that I probably don't have all the facts and apologize if I have been incorrect in my assumptions.
 

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Posted by charlie (Member # 25) on :
 
....Is everybody really sure she got banned?? Unless there was something going on in the middle of the night I wasn't aware of, there wasn't anything in that thread that would upset anybody....If you can't stand griping and sarcasm, internet posting boards are probably not a good place to hang out.

Maybe she just decided to take a breather.

In my experience, and I've been on here since 1998, the quickest ways to get banned other than outright obscenity are;

Prolonged back and forth bickering that could be just as well be done by PM or email

Excessive beating up on LLMDs

Trying to self-moderate by filibustering a topic to death.

Peddling stuff for profit after being warned.

I doubt she did any of that.

Charlie
 

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Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
 
She was contacted by Jenifer, the Webmaster of Lymenet and told that her posting ability has been removed.
 

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Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
 
Personally, I don't think anyone should be removed based on one post ... it seems a person should be given a warning. I know on another message board it's three warnings and you're gone.
 

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Posted by Wallace (Member # 4771) on :
 
Very sad news. I hope the moderators will give us a public explanation for this!!! Or change their minds?

Scott maybe if she wants to continue to post she could join a forum like Planetthrive.com to post there?

Wallace
 

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Posted by valymemom (Member # 7076) on :
 
I do think an explanation should be given to us. Who are the community members who caused this? Explain what happened.

When I begin to read a thread and all of a sudden the posting gets personal and negative......I just don't read anymore. Who needs that???

I have noticed lately more attacking of one another's ideas. Why?

Very disappointing.
 

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Posted by docjen (Member # 7510) on :
 
Excellent point by Foggy. There are very few active participants in the forum who are adding the point of view of the "healed" and what has worked for them, rather than what is working RIGHT NOW.

GiGi added a different perspective and I'm sorry that those who don't agree with her ideas can't just scroll by. It's very easy to be negative. Try to be courageous, people, and think positively once in a while!
 

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Posted by Rachel24 (Member # 10720) on :
 
This is my first post on this board....I just cannot read this thread without also posting in support of GiGi.

Scott, I think you said it very well....I do feel more in the dark without her presence. Its a huge loss to me and to others who are truelly interested in her posts. I have benefited more from the info. she's provided than anything else I've come across.

I am grateful that she gave so much of herself only in the hopes of making it easier for the rest of us.

GiGi's posts are the biggest reason I found this board to be a valuable source of info. for me. Without her contributions there is a huge void for those of us who were learning so much from her experience and knowledge.

Most people who are well do not give so much of themselves...they simply move on. Its a blessing to have someone around who is not only knowledgable but who is also RECOVERED.

I cant understand why there are continuous attacks on someone who has been through it and regained her health...someone who is only here to share what she knows so that we might also find ourselves on that path to wellness.

I have seen much negativity on this board which is the main reason I choose not to participate.

Example: a new thread on IRT...I go in there to see what I can learn and all I see are posts screaming out SCAM...all from people who have never looked into it or tried it themselves. How can people make this judgement without any experience??

Scott, I guess I will wait to see how you do with it.

I have spoken with GiGi on the phone and she is very genuine in her desire to help others. How many people who are recovered dedicate so much of their time helping others??

I read the thread in which GiGi posted in frusteration about this type of negativity. I have to say that I was shocked to learn from email that she was banned. I have witnessed far worse here on this board...and from posters who are not contributing anywhere near what GiGi has given us.

Its very disheartening and I do hope that the moderators reevaluate their decision.

-Rachel
 

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Posted by sixgoofykids (Member # 11141) on :
 
Rachel has been reading along for a long time ... she is the reason I found I had Lyme.
 

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Posted by bettyg (Member # 6147) on :
 
i didn't know gigi was banned and disappo9inted too; i don't understand what she is saying but she is extremely HELPFUL to all members.
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here's what i do know so you'll have a little more info on this whole thing. i was involved briefly in this.


i emailed loub/jenifer and this was my subject line with NO body text!


Gigi's post is getting quite heated as of 9-10-07!! check it out please; thx! EOM


Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:47:02 -0400

JENIFER SENT ME THIS EMAIL....
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Too late! I deleted it. It seems like it was a post to bash Gigi.

I already deleted it because a member was saying Gigi should be banned, while another made her dispute with Gigi public.

Other members instigated hostility with saying things like, "The Real Negative Nelly", "Could you point out just where the state of Sedona is?", and "I'm on it!" (when referring to a post about alerting Michaelangelo, Archangel Raphael, etc.).
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Jenifer Stolow
[email protected]
LymeNet.Org Webmaster
LymeDiseaseAssociation.Org Webmaster

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From: Lou Bachmann
To: Jenifer Stolow
Cc: Betty G

Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: Gigi's post is getting quite heated as of 9-10-07!! check it out please; thx! EOM


Hi there,
Well now ... actually have my laptop with me, logged in to check something else and saw these emails.

Took a quick look and the Topic referenced has calmed ... never was that heated.

Suggest we leave it alone and let the conversation continue ... OK?
Now ... off for a walk on the beach
Later, Lou B


jenifer also informed me to email HER only as lou b is ON VACATION FOR 2 SOLID MONTHS UNTIL SOMETIME IN NOV. 07.
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i'm sorry to learn gigi was banned.

my alert to them was with the negativity and name calling in it. nothing more. we have way to much of this on this board.

scott, would you let gigi know this please?

bettyg
 

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Posted by lymemomtooo (Member # 5396) on :
 
Gigi should not be banned !!! and I did not see the post but have seen others and she is usually the recipient of way too much dung throwing.

Then she attempts to reply and some just go off on her.

Recently two of our best have been at each other and it has been very stupid and I respect them both but neither should be banned. They need to realize they both are finding the necessary answers and providing all of us with research.. And not nit pick with each other.

If this is because of Betty's post, then I do not see why it caused anyone to get banned. I do not think that was what Betty was fishing for. Just perhaps someone to tone it down.

Please reconsider. Gigi has always helped others and usually got stomped for it. She was a lone voice for a long time that helped many of us thru toxin removal and other rarely discussed matters.
 

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Posted by AliG (Member # 9734) on :
 
I didn't see what happened, but I find this very sad.

If I understand this correctly, a group of posters ganged up on Gigi for objecting to their negativity and Gigi was the one who was banned?

It seems perfectly logical that someone who was being ganged up on might become angry and lash out trying to defend themself.

I know that Gigi has often contributed valuable information to threads I have started and I have always appreciated her input.

Though I am personally persuing a different avenue of treatment at present, I have still liked being able to read her perspectives. I know that she has done a lot of research into alternative treatments and I have really appreciated her willingness to share her knowledge.

I do not know what transpired, so I would have to imagine that whatever was said, it must have been immensely hurtful to someone for her to have been banned.

I would really hope that the moderators might be able to work out some kind of agreement to allow her to return. I know she had a lot of people who looked to her for her experience.

It is truly sad when people who have differences in opinion find it necessary to insult each other with personal attacks instead of just rationally debating the things they disagree with and offering evidence to support their viewpoints.

Why can't we all just get along like civilized human beings? Why do we need to attack each other. Aren't there better places we could express our anger/frustrations?

I'll miss you Gigi. Thanks for everything you've contributed.
I hope we get to see you back here again.


Ali


PS - From Betty's post, it looks like Lou had assessed the situation as having calmed down. I'm wondering if it got heated again to trigger the ban???

 

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Posted by karatelady (Member # 7854) on :
 
I've spoken to GiGi on the phone too and we've e-mailed a few times.

She is a very sweet, soft-spoken woman with a German accent. She gave me all the time I needed to ask her the questions I wanted to ask while someone had come to her house and was waiting on her to get off the phone who needed help with their health.

I think part of her "bluntness" is because she is German. (Now don't anybody get upset with me saying that.) She just says it like it is.

Lately she has posted on here a few times a little defensively but I think I would too if I had people constantly making snide remarks about my posts. Those people sure didn't get banned. And its the same 3 or 4 people too.

GiGi isn't perfect either. I didn't agree with her on the post about the KMT when she told Henson that he was having a bad day. No, he wasn't - the lady at Biotools really was rude.

But GiGi loves Dr. K and from everything I've read about him, he truly loves his patients. He isn't out to make money and I believe that is part of the problem with Biotools is they need to put a little effort into staffing it properly.

Didn't mean to get off on that. All I'm saying is it would be nice if we could have some respect on this board.

It gets old listening to those who are abx-only make snide remarks to those who are trying different alternative methods. They really get a big kick out of themselves to see who can be the rudest.

If I was a newbie reading their comments, I don't think I'd be on here long.

That's my 2 cents worth,

Sandy
 

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Posted by SForsgren (Member # 7686) on :
 
Yes, she is direct.
Yes, she can be blunt.
Yes, she is brilliant.
Yes, she is a gift.
 

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Posted by mtnwoman (Member # 8385) on :
 
I have been absent for about a week and I'm very upset that GiGi was banned.

I didn't always share the same perspective, but GiGi's input was very valuable. It's to the detriment of the board that it would come to this.

She was freely offering information about what she has learned on her healing journey. I am grateful for her offerings.

No one has the corner on curing this disease. All input (well, almost all) should be welcome.

If you don't want to be exposed to new ideas I suggest folks stay off the internet! Same if you are too sensitive to different perspectives.

Sheesh...
 

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Posted by efsd25 (Member # 2272) on :
 
THE MODERATOR'S NEED TO RECONSIDER THEIR DECISION!!

This is ludicrous that someone who has contributed so much for such a long period of time was excommunicated.


Jenifer, the Webmaster of Lymenet needs to re-examine her logic. Please!!!

Thanks Scott for posting this and bringing this gross error to our collective attention!

Ernie
 

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Posted by Health (Member # 6034) on :
 
no comment.
best leave as is.
 

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Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 

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Originally posted by SForsgren:
Yes, she is direct.
Yes, she can be blunt.
Yes, she is brilliant.
Yes, she is a gift.

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That sums it up pretty well! I don't agree with everything she says, but then I also don't agree with everything ANYONE says!

Hi Rachel!!!
 

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Posted by Aniek (Member # 5374) on :
 
I think Gigi adds a lot to this forum.

But, I hope the banning wakes some people up. There have been some incredibly nasty postings on this site recently. I am not saying who made the nasty postings, nor am I saying Gigi was one of them. Nor am I saying this banning was right.

Most of us seem to be able to be polite when we disagree. I wish everybody could be polite.
 

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Posted by Boomerang (Member # 7979) on :
 
I'm so confused??? What happened??? Someone please PM me.

Thanks.
 

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Posted by Tincup (Member # 5829) on :
 
Hey Gigi..

Got your email... but can't reply as my email box is jammed up!!! Sorry!!! I'm glad Scott posted this here though.

Sorry to hear you have had this trouble.

I do hope the moderators will reconsider and offer you another chance.

I'll be waiting to see you back again!!! Hang in there!


 

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Posted by Parisa (Member # 10526) on :
 
Gigi is an important asset to Lymenet. There is no set path to healing from Lyme and she offers a different perspective. Maybe it's not to some people's taste but at least it gets you thinking outside of the box which leads to innovation and new treatment.
 

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Posted by Robin123 (Member # 9197) on :
 
I'd like to see Gigi return to lymenet and be able to post her ideas without people bashing each other. We all have various opinions about everything. To be able to discuss everything without knocking the person posting is what we should be able to do here.
 

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Posted by breathwork (Member # 567) on :
 
I miss GiGi too....very much.

Carol Ann
 

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Posted by clairenotes (Member # 10392) on :
 
There are several people on lymenet that offer new (and old, but forgotten) ideas and perspectives on this disease. We really can't afford to lose them.

No one is perfect especially when everything one says is up for debate.

Claire
 

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Posted by hardynaka (Member # 8099) on :
 
Gigi is the ONLY member of lymenet in true remission that keeps posting, coming from the worst levels of disability back to normal life.

And she's been heathy for years, she comes and offers advice for free for what she had learned.

And then she's banned?

She's German, yes. I live in the Germanic 'world', and people here are DIRECT. They don't go in rounds to say what they think. And I appreciate them for that. It's just another 'culture'.

Aren't we living in globalized world?

I think she should not only be accepted back, but should get excuses for having being banned.

Selma
 

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Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
 
I certainly hope Lou B or Jenifer will pop in to explain all this....

.....because after what BettyG posted, none of this makes a bit of sense to me at all.

I really don't like to bother the moderators with e-mails unless absolutely necessary, but in this case, I will if I have to.

Tracy
 

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Posted by CaliforniaLyme (Member # 7136) on :
 
There was a thread about alternative paths of healing, which Gigi had posted. I used to enjoy reading her stuff until about 6 months ago she caleld me a name I find very offensive - "Negative Nelly." I asked her to please not call me that and she ignored me. But I read almost every thread here when I can and so I began to read her thread.

On the thread which had nothing to do with ANYTHING related to me she chose to make a snide, mean, NEGATIVE comment directed at me and and others on another thread- a totally mean, nasty comment wihch had nothing to do with the title of the post!!! It was purely to denigrate
others. She had caleld me Negative Nelly months ago and chad conitued to reference it despite my asking her to please leave me alone.

I posted saying that it violated the spiritual theory she was supoposedly posting about, which I know about becauise I have lived part of my life in INdia, and the posting was about a guruji from INdias work- and his lifes work was based on not harming others. Ahimsa. SO I asked her to stop harming me, because she was.

You may not give a heck, but I come on here to read and to help and although I may not agree with alternative therapies I have never made it personal and in fact always told Gigi truthfully that I had always valued her and her posts and did not understood her antipathy toward me- I always LIKED her sincerely until name calling-

I did not in any way ask for her to be banned nor believe she should be.

After I posted I got PMs from people saying she had harassed them the same way.

She may be someone to you, but in the last 6 months she had become to me someone who made mean little comments to me over and over again for no discernible reason.

I was bedridden from this disease and spend every single second of free time in my life to work on Lyme disease.

We are currently boothing our county fair, which I organized, and I spent 7 hours there yesterday talkingw ith the public about lYme disease and handing out pamphlets- and we have 2 newspaper articles going now because of it.

Today I am going for 7 hours again.

Do I deserve to be called "Negative?" I simply asked her to stop calling me negative as I find it deeply offensive to be called that and to be characterized in that way when I spedn every passionate moemnt of my being in service to others that I consider positive.

Being caleld Negative is demeaning and denigrates me.

I LIKED Gigi until 6 months ago. I can't honestly say I like her now, BUT even with my own hurt feelings I KNOW she is of value to others here and would never want her banned.

But I am still hurt.

I am hurt that people here seem to not care about me as a person at all and to care whether or not I am caleld names.

I do not deserve to come here and be called names. Period. Ever.

I would not let it go on in my Lyme support group to anybody else. SO it is not right to have it be done to me.

Perhaps she insisted she would continue to call me names? I don't know. I don't know why she was banned.

But yesterday honestly when I learned she was banned MY FIRST REACTION was relief that I did not have to fear opening a thread with an insult in it for me.

My SECOND was "OH heck, now people will blame ME."

My third was, "I hope she gets to come back soon because she belongs here."

But mean comments about other people on threads which have nothing to do with other people should not belong here-
Sincerely,
Sarah Olson
Aptos, CA
 

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Posted by Truthfinder (Member # 8512) on :
 
Sarah, I never saw the post where GiGi called you a Negative Nellie. If she did so, that was a mistake for her to do so. I agree with you on that.

But I hate to break this to you - there are number of people on this board who could be called Negative Nellies, and it is a mistake for you to accuse Gigi of specifically referring to you in any subsequent post when in fact the post was a general comment!!

It may FEEL to you like Gigi is referring to you personally, but as I said, there are a number of people I suspect Gigi was referring to in her post.

Gigi has a right - as does everyone - to make general comments about what she perceives as negativity on LymeNet.

I am sorry that you are hurt by this, and I do understand that. But it has gotten to the point that you are distorting the facts, but perhaps not intentionally.

Hey, I've been told on this board that I couldn't find my own butt with a flashlight. Big deal. Tempers get short when we feel deeply about something and disagree. (And by the way, I got my flashlight and checked...... that poster was wrong.)

We do care about you, Sarah. Please do not think otherwise.

Tracy
 

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Posted by clairenotes (Member # 10392) on :
 
Very well said, Tracy.

Yeah... you just can't have an ego here and expect to survive!! And a sense of humor? Even better.

We have to remember that we all have the same goals and the same good intentions though the paths often differ.

Claire
 

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Posted by mceline (Member # 9235) on :
 
I think the moderator or moderators who made this decision owe us an explanation.

Forums are for exchange of information, AND viewpoints.

I don't feel I learn as much if all I am reading is one viewpoint, one side of an issue.

I do not think GiGi should have been removed.
 

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Posted by CaliforniaLyme (Member # 7136) on :
 
She did specifically call me Negative Nelly but then Cavey kindly pretended it was her (REAL NN thread) in a thread to deflect the negative attention to herself and pluralize it. And this reference in this thread was mentioning not just NN but also death and autopsies which I post because I do the Memorial Page. So that is why I do believe it was directed at me and I had specifically asked her not to use the Negative Nelly reference again because I found it deeply offensive and fundamentally, yes, hurtful. The thread she posted it on- there was no REASON she had to make a mean comment about others- no reason in the world!!! It was not topical!!!

Even so, I don't believe she should be banned nor ever made that suggestion because she is helpful to many people here and I respect that.
 

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Posted by karatelady (Member # 7854) on :
 
Sarah,

I agree with Tracy. GiGi may have called you Negative Nelly on one post but from all the posts I've read, the people she was talking to aren't on this thread.

I really don't think she was personally talking to you all those times. At least that is not how I read it.

That should make you feel better and I think its wonderful that you do all the things you do for lyme disease. I commend you for it.

Sandy
 

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Posted by Greatcod (Member # 7002) on :
 
Maybe I am a "Negative Nelson", so refering to me as a "Negative Nelly" is sexist. And I don't believe that the critical examination of various
treatments and protocols is negative.
In the post that led to the banning, Gigi refered
to really sick Lymies not following her wisdom as "whiners busy digging their own graves." That's beyond negative, that's cruel and sadistic, and totally uncalled for.
I never asked for GiGi's banning. My guess would be that she offended a man whose daughter is still very sick...stepped on the wrong toe...just a guess.

[ 16. September 2007, 04:15 PM: Message edited by: Greatcod ]
 

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Posted by AliG (Member # 9734) on :
 
I'm not certain, but from the people I've known of German decent, I think the term "Negative Nelly" is actually intended to be more of an endearing term.

I think it is usually meant more as, "I think of you fondly but I do believe you're being a bit pessimistic." I guess it would depend on the tone that was used as to whether it actually was intended as an insult.

I'm sorry you found her words hurtful, Sarah. I don't think of you as pessimistic. I do sometimes find it hard to read about death from Lyme, that's only human nature. While can be very depressing to think about, sometimes it actually encourages me to fight harder to get well.

Things like that I try to read when I can. On the days that I'm feeling too sensitive, when I know it will impact me negatively, I SOB and try to get back to reading it another day.

I think we all need to stop shooting at our messengers and appreciate them ALL for the valuable information they provide.

From what I've come to know of you, I don't think you would ever expect to have caused someone to be banned by expressing that you took offense to their choice of words. I don't think any of us would.

I'm hoping that maybe the moderators are using this as a time-out, instead of a permanent ban, to show that they disapprove of the way the disagreement was worded. They might be doing that to avoid having an escalation on the board.



I find this whole thing really upsetting because I like each of you and think you ALL contribute very valuable information. I find you, Cave and Gigi to be great assets to this board. I'm sorry you guys had to have hurt feelings between you.


Ali
 

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Posted by aiden424 (Member # 7633) on :
 
Wow, maybe we all need to grow up and act like adults. I thought the purpose of this web-site was to help each other. There is so much bickering here all the time. We all have our own opinons and if you don't agree, just don't read the post. There is no need to insult someone.

I hope GiGi will be able to come back. You don't have to read her posts if you don't want to. It seems to me she is trying to help. Maybe GiGi could attempt to not offend anyone.

Maybe we all need to be a little bit more understanding of each other. If we keep turning on each other what is the point to this web-site.

Kathy
 

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Posted by mceline (Member # 9235) on :
 
Icon 1 posted 16 September, 2007 12:30 PM Profile for aiden424 Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote

"Wow, maybe we all need to grow up and act like adults.

Maybe we all need to be a little bit more understanding of each other. If we keep turning on each other what is the point to this web-site."
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"Here here"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We are here to learn, folks.....you don't have to agree.

I, for one, learn from hearing all sides of an issue. - I can make up my own mind from there.

All sides deserve respect, whether you agree or not.
 

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Posted by Just Me (Member # 11827) on :
 

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Originally posted by CaliforniaLyme:
a name I find very offensive - "Negative Nelly."

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I'd rather call you "Positive Polly".
 

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Posted by sometimesdilly (Member # 9982) on :
 
We are all trying to cope, have been for a very long time, and on many days for many of us, often enough our very coping mechanisms are badly beaten up if not downright broken.

it is unremarkable to me that folks quibble and quarrel here.

being flat out mean is of course wrong. personally, i never read a Gigi post that i thought was mean. i can't remember a Gigi thread that didn't draw a large amount of argument, but as so many others here have said, shouldn't that at least be ok if not the very point of a discussion board?

Moderators- I know anyone can be banned here at any time at your discretion, but I think it is unfair and deeply disruptive to the genuine community on this board to throw folks off without at least informing the rest of us and explaining why the action was taken.

Absent any explanation, i can't understand why Gigi was banned, but disagree with the decision on its face.

please return Gigi to the board.

dilly

[ 16. September 2007, 09:44 PM: Message edited by: sometimesdilly ]
 

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Posted by breathwork (Member # 567) on :
 
Sarah....as alwasy, you are the bee's knees...

Carol Ann
 

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Posted by SunRa (Member # 3559) on :
 
I haven't been here much the past couple weeks and missed the controversial thread, but I'm very saddened and confused by GiGi's banning.

I've had the priviledge of spending time with her in person and I can assure you she is a very kind and caring person who only wants so deeply to help those of us still suffering.

Even though she's healthy enough to be out doing other things, she chooses to spend countless hours posting helpful info on here. Of course not everyone will agree with her opinions (and many feel the need to constantly remind us that) but it's info that a lot of us are interested in and cannot easily find elsewhere.

So, moderators PLEASE re-consider this decision. GiGi is a huge asset to this board and the whole lyme community.

to GiGi, thank you for all your help and support and although I can understand if you wouldn't want to, I do hope you will post again if allowed.

p.s. and although I doubt she meant to hurt anyone's feelings, I too appreciate her general bluntness. It's refreshing and much more tolerable than passive aggressiveness (like those who think posting smiley faces after rude comments somehow make them ok!?)
 

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Posted by lymemomtooo (Member # 5396) on :
 
I am hopeful that Gigi will be reinstated. She does not need to come here. She does it to help others. Have others also been banned over this situation? lmt
 

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Posted by Health (Member # 6034) on :
 
too much stress to post what I really feel, but I will when I have the strenght and I really

wonder if I stand alone in how I feel.

Trish
 

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Posted by sometimesdilly (Member # 9982) on :
 
TO SARAH and only SARAH:

your mailbox is full, and i know i won't remember to cut and paste to another PM the PM i just wrote that would not go, so everyone else, please excuse my chutzpah, but please butt out for a moment, oK?
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hi Sarah-

you're right that you deserve to be able to come to the board without feeling you are being attacked personally.

i just went back and edited my post because i did not want you to think i was not being supportive of you.

i honestly think,though, that when gigi she said the negative nellie thing she was referring to me and others in stymie's thread, not you.

if that was the case, it would have been helpful if she had made it clear to you that she wasn't referring to you.

i don't read all of the threads with gigi arguements because of the contention that usually seems to always be there- i'm sorry if i've missed something that seems perfectly obvious to you.

i've had that happen here ....until we accomplished something major togehter, and now we understand each other just fine.

i've come to realize that this board is like a small town comprised in not insignificant numbers of dsfunctional people, certainly myself included.

i know from "living" here, though that you are valued and liked- i am in the chorus of your supporters for sure- please feel good about coming here,ok?

hugs, dilly
 

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Posted by TerryK (Member # 8552) on :
 
I value both Gigi and Sara, they have contributed a great deal to the lyme community.

What I've seen in the time that I've been here is that GIGI is constantly confronted by a relatively small group of people who do not like the content of her posts thus they are often hostile towards her.

I've seen a number of shocking personal attacks levied at GIGI. For a very long time she politely ignored them but it finally got to be too much and she left the board for a time. After a break, she came back only this time, when others started with their same negative diatribe towards her she would defend herself and sometimes she would speak her mind by making comments that would probably be misunderstood if one did not know the history of abuse that she has taken from some of these individuals.

In my view, she was baited and goaded and impeded from helping others until she finally got fed up (and who wouldn't have been fed up?). I have no idea what transpired to cause GIGI to be banned from this board but it is frustrating to see an extremely valuable member of this community be banned.

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I think the moderator or moderators who made this decision owe us an explanation.

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quote:

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Originally posted by sometimesdilly:

Moderators- I know anyone can be banned here at any time at your discretion, but I think it is unfair and deeply disruptive to the genuine community on this board to throw folks off without at least informing the rest of us and explaining why the action was taken.

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I agree. As a moderator (on another board)I know that when something like this occurs with so many board members being upset and confused...by now one of us would have stepped in and explained the situation.

I dont think its right for the whole board to be left in the dark about why GiGi is no longer allowed to post here. Obviously the majority of people here appreciate her efforts and find her to be a very valuable asset to this board.

I'm sure there are several others (like myself)who do not post here but still find GiGi's posts to be extremely helpful and very much needed.

I sincerely hope that the moderators can come to a better conclusion...it doesnt appear that a banning was fit for this situation.

-Rachel
 

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Posted by Michelle M (Member # 7200) on :
 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by CaliforniaLyme:

I am hurt that people here seem to not care about me as a person at all and to care whether or not I am caleld names.


Sarah, I would feel rather forlorn if you weren't here any more. In your fifty gazillion posts I have never seen you express anything but kindness and compassion toward others.

Advice is like food. I like mine served warm.

Michelle
 

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Posted by bettyg (Member # 6147) on :
 
i'm saddened; 2 people hurt ... sarah and gigi who both have contributed greatly to this board in educating us.

sarah with her newspaper artcles, pub med, her starting her own lyme obituary column, etc.


gigi with all her things that my neuro lyme mind just can't grasp.


don't want either of you off the board; bring gigi back please jenifer.

my 2 cents.

i just HATE THIS DAMN LYME DISEASE that has messed us all up neuroly, etc. none of us are in our right minds.
 

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Posted by mceline (Member # 9235) on :
 
"I believe this is a privately owned forum thus joining this forum is like being invited into someone's home. We have no rights but the owners are gracious enough to allow us the use of their home. We may politely ask for explanations but it is not our right."
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I did not know that this was a privately owned forum - or what "guidelines" (don't we love that word!) are set in running and managing a privately owned forum.

At any rate - it seems to me that there is a resounding request (and need) to keep GiGi on this forum.

It doesn't sound to me that the forum members are going to let this go - Particularly, if there is no explanation. given. The need to have her on this board is too great.
 

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Posted by Greatcod (Member # 7002) on :
 
GiGi's posts are well informed and interesting, and she belongs on the board.
She does seem to have a problem with any who dares to question or disagree with her, anyone who is at all sceptical about what Klinghardt claims. I'm sorry, I am sure he is a fine man, but he is not the Second Coming. No one has all the answers.
I am certain that asking hard intelligent questions about any and all forms of treatment is a positive thing.
To dismiss a patient's critical investigation of any treatment as "negative" is immature, even dangerous. Look at the recent thread on the Salt/C protocol.
 

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Posted by bejoy (Member # 11129) on :
 
Hi Gigi,

Sending you thanks for your relentless support of people struggling with lyme, and your courage to express your ideas. Your information has been very helpful to me in my healing process! I hope to see you back here again soon.
 

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Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 

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Originally posted by mceline:
- Particularly, if there is no explanation. given.

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If the moderators told us about every member they dumped and why, it would fill the board pretty quickly. I have sent them probably 10 spammers and/or trolls links in the past 2 wks.

---and I'm sure there are that many and more that I don't know about!!--

If they turned around and explained to us why these people were dumped, it would clutter up the place and we'd be bored with it.

Just explaining.....I've already made my comments on the issue surrounding Gigi.
 

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Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
Gigi's Negative Nelley posting was in reference to some postings with "I can't, I'm dying, I'm ill and nobody will give me a pill that will end this nightmare today."

Not alot of patience with someone that is expecting wellness without positive thinking, taking many steps to change, listening/reading, thinking outside the box and seeking out to others who can offer ways to help through their experiences.

Pam
 

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Posted by sometimesdilly (Member # 9982) on :
 
pam- ouch. how belittling and unkind....

i'm curious- are you relaying gigi's thoughts on what she said, or does your last post reflect your own opinion?

dilly

Tutu- i don't think anyone is asking the moderators for a daily body count of axed trolls.

Poofing a long-standing member without explanation is a wee bit different, don't cha think?
 

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Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
Poofing a long-standing member without explanation is a wee bit different, don't cha think?
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Sure it is.
 

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Posted by Wallace (Member # 4771) on :
 
In solidarity with Gigi I will not be posting any more here until a public explanation is given. If Gigi is expelled who be next! Is this how the forum treats someone who has made thousands of posts?? Come on!

This is PC gone mad!

You dont treat your star performers like this!

I didnt agree with everything she said either but she had class!

Sunny thoughts,
Wallace
 

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Posted by hardynaka (Member # 8099) on :
 
Wallace, I was thinking exactly that.

I will stop posting too until things are explained.

The board without her is much less interesting anyway.

Selma
 

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Posted by lymeinhell (Member # 4622) on :
 
Gigi, if you're out there, please know that you are appreciated for sharing your wealth of knowledge. I, for one, have been greatly helped.

This is so bogus..
 

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Posted by Robin123 (Member # 9197) on :
 
Ok -- my opinion is: whatever the problem was, please resolve it with the involved people and then return Gigi to the board. Her contributions have been and will continue to be important here.
 

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Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
My Mama always told me "I can't never did anything". Over and over again the last few days on this site I keep recalling the childhood story of the "Little Train That Could".

That story reminds me of Gigi and how she kept coming back after being attacked by others for her life experiences and beliefs at helping others.

Pam
 

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Posted by Dawn in VA (Member # 9693) on :
 
Gigi has given me (us) a great deal of information that we would have otherwise gone without. Emotions and whatever aside, she has contributed a lot of solid knowledge. I want her back!
 

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Posted by cmichaelo (Member # 5873) on :
 
I have learned so much from Gigi too.

At times I even thought she WAS Dr. K in disguise...

I'm speculating that Gigi went too far in her bluntness and advice and that the webmasters felt she was slurring the core message to newbies and that she even gave Lymenet a bad reputation.

From what I can tell, newbies come here for two main reasons: to find support and find quick help/LLMD.

Gigi was talking about removing mercury filling, kinesiology, etc. Stuff that's way out of the grasp of newbies. Like they wanna hear radical quack stuff like that.

Thus, someone like Gigi is not exactly a great asset to Lymenet, even though some of us who are now much wiser know that in fact she IS a great asset to Lymenet.

Just my 2c.

Michael
 

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Posted by luvs2ride (Member # 8090) on :
 
Gee Michael

With that left handed compliment you just paid GiGi, you would make a great polititian.

The truth is most people that post here at lymenet are not well. GiGi is one of the exceptions to that fact. It took her 4 yrs but she is COMPLETELY WELL.

I don't know about you, but I want to hear anything and everything someone who is COMPLETELY WELL from lyme disease has to say.

Antibiotics alone are not curing lyme disease. Newbies need to know this. The sooner they know it, the better.

While on the antibiotics, more natural approaches must be done as well. Much of it will protect the body from the side effects of the drugs.

Eating a premium diet is a must do if you ever hope to get well. Incorporating some natural antibiotics in addition to the synthetic antibiotics into your diet such as garlic is an excellent way to keep the bugs on the run.

CoQ10 and magnesium are two examples of natural substances we all need to be taking as they are both protective of the heart. Probiotics are essential to add back the necessary bacteria to your gut that is killed off by the antibiotics.
Remember, 70% of the immune system lies in the gut.

Whenever someone brings information to this board about alternative care, others should not get so defensive and come rushing into the thread like The Christian Crusaders of old.

It really isn't either/or treatment choices. You need not worry that all the poor, ignorant newbies are going to go to their corner shaman for all their treatment needs.

It actually takes a pretty committed alternative care believer to seek out alternative care doctors for their first approach.

Everyone else will go to their local doctor who is hardly going to offer alternative care.

Wallace and Hardy,

Please do not leave this board. Your input is valued too. Hardy, I have such interest in your posts because our symptoms are so similar, and Wallace, you just posted a thread a few days ago about "Dying to Get Well". I downloaded that book, read all 160 pages and am making a real effort to eat more raw fruits and veggies just because of your post.

These contributions are important and valuable.
Please everyone, let's live and let live. Ok??

Luvs
 

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Posted by cmichaelo (Member # 5873) on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by luvs2ride:
With that left handed compliment you just paid GiGi, you would make a great polititian.

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quote:

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Originally posted by luvs2ride:
The truth is most people that post here at lymenet are not well. GiGi is one of the exceptions to that fact. It took her 4 yrs but she is COMPLETELY WELL.

I don't know about you, but I want to hear anything and everything someone who is COMPLETELY WELL from lyme disease has to say.

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quote:

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Originally posted by luvs2ride:
Antibiotics alone are not curing lyme disease. Newbies need to know this. The sooner they know it, the better.

While on the antibiotics, more natural approaches must be done as well. Much of it will protect the body from the side effects of the drugs.

Eating a premium diet is a must do if you ever hope to get well. Incorporating some natural antibiotics in addition to the synthetic antibiotics into your diet such as garlic is an excellent way to keep the bugs on the run.

CoQ10 and magnesium are two examples of natural substances we all need to be taking as they are both protective of the heart. Probiotics are essential to add back the necessary bacteria to your gut that is killed off by the antibiotics.
Remember, 70% of the immune system lies in the gut.

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Originally posted by luvs2ride:
You need not worry that all the poor, ignorant newbies are going to go to their corner shaman for all their treatment needs.

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quote:

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Originally posted by luvs2ride:
It actually takes a pretty committed alternative care believer to seek out alternative care doctors for their first approach.

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quote:

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Originally posted by luvs2ride:
I downloaded that book, read all 160 pages and am making a real effort to eat more raw fruits and veggies just because of your post.

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Originally posted by Greatcod:
I believe that this could be resolved easily
by having GiGi openly apologize to Sarah and to those she called "whiners busy digging their own graves". To post that about a Lymie openly expressing suicidal thoughts is inexcusible behavior.
GiGi's banning is not about altenative versus
conventional treatments. Its not about how much or how little of an asset she has been.
It is about her denigrating remarks about other Lymenet individuals.
Please keep in mind that many Lyme victims have neither the insurance nor the cash to pursue
either long term IV ABX or expensive alternatives.
I believe that both GiGi and Sarah have each spent $50,000 of their own money for their treatments.

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Well, if Gigi said that, thas no good...whether true or not...

And just for the record, I never thought that Gigi was against abx or px drugs in general. She was just wise about how and when to use them...

I personally believe px abx play a minor role in the recovery of the average person suffering from chronic LD (cause there's always exceptions). Detox, diet, lifestyle changes and holistic healing methods are far more important in the great scheme of things.

And now that I know what she said, I just think that Gigi got fed up with the "conventional" mainstream message about treatment protocols from this board.

I mean, I don't come here often. But every time I come back, I am perplexed about the general flavor of the postings which hasn't changed in the three years I've been coming here. The core message of Lymenet is still "find an LLMD and get your abx".

Does this really work for most people??? From all the posts I've read abx just ain't doing much, if anything. People go into remission again and again.

If this upsets me, I can sure understand if it upset Gigi (if in fact it did, I don't know) who spent a heck of a lot more time here than me. Sometimes I sure feel like snapping and telling people to stop whining about abx and sleep meds. It just upsets me so much that the mainstream medical profession and drug industry has such a stronghold on the vast majority of people that they can't see past the pill box and that the holistic approach is being swept aside again and again.

So power to you Gigi. Hope to see you back here soon. Next time, count to 10 or 100 or whatever before you hit that "Add Reply" button. And sending that apology out to Sarah can only be good for your spiritual state of mind which, as you know very well, has significant impact on your physiological health. And saying sorry, even if Sarah doesn't deserve it, will only build character. You can do it!!!


Michael
 

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Posted by Rachel24 (Member # 10720) on :
 

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Originally posted by cmichaelo:

From what I can tell, newbies come here for two main reasons: to find support and find quick help/LLMD.

Gigi was talking about removing mercury filling, kinesiology, etc. Stuff that's way out of the grasp of newbies. Like they wanna hear radical quack stuff like that.

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I dont think you can speak for all newbies. I think you are actually insulting the intelligence of new members....who are fully capable of coming to their own conclusions....if given the chance.

When people with no experience/knowledge are jumping all over any mention of alternative treatment...calling it "quack stuff"...it disrupts the flow of the thread. Info. which may have been helpful to someone...even a newbie...is lost.

How is this supportive??

When I was a newbie I came here and found GiGi's posts to be the most helpful and informative...and today I feel the same. I have learned a ton from her without ever having posted here once.

The information in GiGi's posts were not out of my grasp...in fact they made perfect sense to me. I am much better off today having had the opportunity to learn so much from her posts. I am truelly grateful.

Also, I post about all these alternative methods on other health boards and I do not experience this type of rudeness and hostility. In fact people are very receptive...newbies especially.

I dont think people are looking just for quick info. and support....I think ultimately people do want to get BETTER and most are willing to spend time reading the personal experiences of others.

It makes it very difficult to do so in a hostile environment where people are constantly attacked for having acheived wellness in ways that arent "traditional".

As a one-time newbie...I have to say that GiGi gave me everything I was looking for. Her posts were invaluable to me...everything about mercury detox, kinesiology, LED, ART... all of those "radical" things that have helped me more than anything else.

So yes...GiGi is a very big asset to Lymenet....newbies included.

-Rachel
 

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Posted by Jenifer (Member # 697) on :
 
While the moderators at LymeNet do appreciate the hard work and dedication given by many on this board, the LymeNet Rules are there for a reason and must be obeyed by everyone. That means if you have 1 post or 10,000, you must abide by the rules.

Warnings are given out before any banning occurs, unless it's a spammer. I will not disclose the reasoning behind Gigi's ban, except to say that a rule was broken. She is not the only one who was reprimanded.

There will be no special ``hall'' pass to frequent posters allowing them to break the rules when they feel it appropriate. However, I will reinstate Gigi based on the premise that she will follow LymeNet's rules. That goes for everyone else. I am awaiting her response to my offer to reinstate her.

I have noticed a lot of name calling and fighting going on. Those involved have been spoken to. This behavior shall not continue. If you have a problem with a member, PM/email them privately, keep it off LymeNet Flash, and act maturely. Otherwise, you are to email a moderator.

Remember, you are all in the same boat. You need each other!

There is more than one ``right'' way to treat Lyme. Your way is not best for everyone. Understand that. Be open to that fact that everyone responds differently when on a Lyme protocol. Make your point, answer rebuttal questions if necessary, and move on. Try to learn why another would prefer his/her way instead of yours. That is a healthy debate.

So, remember, do not bring your battles to LymeNet; go to the moderators. Also, if you see posts that don't belong in the forum it is posted in, for example the joke of the day in Medical, please email a moderator and provide the link.

On that note, this topic will be moved to Off Topic.
 

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Posted by Cobweb (Member # 10053) on :
 
*****Remember, you are all in the same boat.*****




I'm the one in pigtails.
 

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Posted by Greatcod (Member # 7002) on :
 
I think Jenifer should be banned for making sense.
I don't think making sense is allowed here. I've not seen much evidence of it, and I certainly include my own posts as not making much sense.
 

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Posted by charlie (Member # 25) on :
 
....I always make sense except when I don't...
 

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Posted by sometimesdilly (Member # 9982) on :
 
thanks for taking the time to post this explanation, Jenifer.

dilly
 

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Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
If you have a problem with a member, PM/email them privately, keep it off LymeNet Flash, and act maturely. Otherwise, you are to email a moderator.

Boy, that would be so nice!!

Thanks, Jenifer!!
 

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Posted by meg (Member # 22) on :
 
OOOps, another member of the Deleted Moved Post Society or DMPS'ssss

....I just though GiGi was taking another absence.
...and, by the way, I'M the redhead
I've always wanted to be tall

[ 19. September 2007, 02:45 PM: Message edited by: meg ]
 

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Posted by lymemomtooo (Member # 5396) on :
 
Jennifer, thanks for the posting. I pray Gigi will come back..And Webby, sorry, I am the one in pig tails..lmt
 

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Posted by Cobweb (Member # 10053) on :
 

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Originally posted by lymemomtooo:
..And Webby, sorry, I am the one in pig tails..lmt

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Can't fool me LMT-you're the one in the rubber raft tied to the pier.
 

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Posted by Itsy_bitsyone (Member # 12635) on :
 
I wanna be Mrs. Howell!!


Oh pick me pick me...

I'd pick all her $$ over having pigtails or the ability to fill out a swimsuit top.

After all, with her money, I could BUY pigtails and boobises.
 

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Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
No, I'm Mrs. Howell....not rich, just old!!
 

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Posted by stymielymie (Member # 10044) on :
 
From a professional point of view,
I did not agree with many of gigi's posts.
I was banned last year for explaining to her
that one of her research articles was incorrect.

after talking to lou, we had decided that we would stay away from one another.

Many of Dr. K. information is good and should be used.
A lot of it is based on bad research and should
be treated as such.
Researchers in this day and age,get paid by big
companies to get the results the company wants.
Hence many, many biased research papers.

i do read every article gigi posts, probably more than any other person.
there is a lot of good information, but it is not all good info.
i as a professional feel the obligation to
dispute her post if it is inaccurate.

in the past 10 months i have not responded to any of her posts and leave her alone.
i read and sob.

i leave information that can give people an
informed choice in a decision process and get many emails and pm's

i would like to see gigi reinstated to give her oppinions.
i do think there should be a n ote at the bottom
claiming that this is her oppionion and may not
be the best option for your own treatment.
treatment needs to be decided by a doctor and
yourself, ideas can be presented, but
ultimately the doc should have control of your treatment.

you can not be treated by a doc , and take
suppliments without his/her knowledge.
the full treatment must be considered.

i hope that this note will not get me
removed from lymenet again, but i feel
there is an obligation i have as someone
with a degree in the medical field to
make everybody aware that gigi's way may or may not work, and is not the only answer.

dr. david klein
docdave
 

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Posted by Greatcod (Member # 7002) on :
 
I find her information interesting at times, but the "my way or the highway" attitude offsetting.
Clearly, no one has all the answers.
 

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Posted by Itsy_bitsyone (Member # 12635) on :
 
Dave,

Cannot imagine you getting in trouble for that. It was rather eloquent in fact. Very fair and yet straight up.

I could definately take a lesson from your diplomacy.

To the rest of you scurvy bildge rats:

(Did anyone notice what happens to a thread when its moved to off topic?)

And I CALLED MRS. HOWELL FIRST!!!!!
 

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Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 

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Originally posted by Itsy_bitsyone:

And I CALLED MRS. HOWELL FIRST!!!!!

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SO WHAT??? I'm sure I'm much closer to her age than YOU are....scurvy rat!!
 

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Posted by Cobweb (Member # 10053) on :
 
The way I see it-anything in OFF TOPIC is fair game.

Might I remind everyone that picture of "you're all in the same boat" was taken about 40, as in big 4 0, that would be FORTY, years ago-so everyone have fun imagining the age progression to 2007!


Cobby

BTW- I always enjoy seeing GiGi's name in the list of posters-however, I must confess I usually SOB because her posts are beyond my comprehension-but that's not necessarily a bad thing.
 

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Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
Yeah....I was going to say I'm the Mrs Howell in the pic NOT as old as she is TODAY!!! [Is she still alive??]

I wonder if Nancy's going to be mad that I WON??
 

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Posted by meg (Member # 22) on :
 
Yeah....I was going to say I'm the Mrs Howell in the pic NOT as old as she is TODAY!!! [Is she still alive??]

I did a little looking on the subject! Ok, I had nothing better to do

Everyone is gone except for Ginger, The professor and Mary Ann. You can check out their pics online, and because of that, I've changed my wanna, I wanna be Mary Ann too!
 

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Posted by Boomerang (Member # 7979) on :
 
No, no!! I want to be Mary Ann. She was always my favorite. She made the best coconut pies.

Ginger made me ill. Stupid professor always fell for her crap.
 

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Posted by Itsy_bitsyone (Member # 12635) on :
 
Too....

OK, you win. I concede...
After all....Age before beauty, right?

He he he he


 

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Posted by stymielymie (Member # 10044) on :
 
i'll be the professor,
i always fall for caveey's crap and still
give pretzels.

did you know someone was nice enough here in off topic to send caveeey chocolate pretzels for her birthday.

boy that was sure nice.
i found out from a little bird, or wa sthat big bird, or was that cobby bird, itsybird,nancybird
ladybird, oh it was birdbrain23


docdave
 

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Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Itsy_bitsyone:
Too....

OK, you win. I concede...
After all....Age before beauty, right?

He he he he

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Well, I don't know....How OLD are you!!??
 

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Posted by stymielymie (Member # 10044) on :
 
yes ms grand poohbah
i did read it.

but i just wanted to start some rumors.

hey new post rumors!!!!!!!!!!!!


daveeey
 

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Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by stymielymie:

but i just wanted to start some rumors.

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If you're going to spread rumors, tell everyone that I'm 25 and beautiful!!
 

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Posted by Cobweb (Member # 10053) on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Lymetoo:

quote:

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Originally posted by stymielymie:

but i just wanted to start some rumors.

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If you're going to spread rumors, tell everyone that I'm 25 and beautiful!!

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And be sure to add that I'm her twin sister!!
 

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Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
Hey, that was GOOD!!
 

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Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
I'd much rather send YOU the money than buy this!! What would you spend it on??
 

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Posted by stymielymie (Member # 10044) on :
 
caveey think your watching too
much stargate sg1

actually they have the same concept
they call it enlightenment.
interesting show.
it goes thru all the greek, egyptian and roman gods as enemies.

you've had your share of chocolate for the
year.you little chocoholic

maybe we need to star a chocoholic anonymous.

daveeey.
 

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Posted by lymemomtooo (Member # 5396) on :
 
Scott, if you ever check this post, can you tell us if Gigi is ok and if she will ever be willing to come back..Thanks..lmt
 

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Posted by Cobweb (Member # 10053) on :
 

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Originally posted by cave76:
daveeeey said

****maybe we need to start a chocoholic
anonymous.****

Forgive me Father for I have sinned. I ate the last two Hershey bars from the church refridgerator when doing the bulletins. I don't really know if I sinned or it was just your way of providing when I needed it?


Aww-ww-ww ---- No! What would be the fun in THAT for all us egomaniacs here?


I can't imagine anything more delicious than talking about myself with a mourthful of chocolate.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Lymetoo:
[QUOTE]Well, I don't know....How OLD are you!!??

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Oh...so you gonna let me be Mrs. Howell NOW?
 

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Posted by Tracy9 (Member # 7521) on :
 
WHAAAAT????

Gilligan is DEAD?


 

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