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lifeline
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I've read lots of posts on yeast infections, and it seems most everyone knows if they've been infected with it.

I know this is a dumb question, but how do you know? Sometimes, I don't know if I'm feeling bad due to yeast, abx, herxes, etc.

I know you can itch really bad in an unmentionable area! that's one way, and thrush can be seen by the tongue, but the rest is always a guess.

I've read where yeast infections and herxing can mimic each other, or I thought I read that. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Is there an easy way to know what to do and what to take for what symptoms!!!

This is a nasty puzzle...

Thanks,

lifeline

P.S. Sometimes, I take Diflucan and wonder if that's the right thing to do when I'm not sure what it is that's making me feel crummy. I am careful about foods, and take lots probiotics/lots nystatin tabs.

Nothing seems to be easy with this dreaded disease! Guess it's a bad day. Sorry.


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You know....your question deserves a really good reply, because it's an exc t question! I'd like to answer by listing many of the yeast symptoms, but don't have time right now.

I think alot of people could benefit from a more in-depth reply. [Hey, maybe somebody will beat me to it!!...hint, hint! ]

But one tip-off for me is an itching that I don't notice until I'm lying in bed, trying to go to sleep! It feels like something is crawling inside my skin on my arm(s) or leg(s).

That's a big clue for me! It can keep me awake, even tho it's not noticeable until I'm lying there quietly....very weird.

Get out your little "yeast questionnaire" by Dr Crook....I have one from Dr C. Check out how similar the yeast symptoms are to Lyme symptoms! So it IS very hard to tell which is which!

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Yeast: http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001199.html[/URL] http://www.panix.com/~candida/ http://www.candida-yeast.com/

___How many mercury amalgam dental fillings?
___Have you been vaccinated within past 5 years?
___Have persistant Prostatitis or Vaginitis.
___Have taken Cortisone type drugs.
___Have taken birth control pills.
___React badly to cigarette smoke.
___React badly to chemical fumes.
___Symptoms worse on damp or muggy days.
___Have had athlete's foot and/or Jocky itch.
___Have cramps with my periods.
___Crave alcohol (beer, wine, whisky).
___Feel helpless at times.
___Seem to have lost interest.
___Lost or decreased sexual desire.
___Shaky or irritable when hungry.
___Cannot seem to concentrate.
___Stomach gets sore all over.
___Ears itch at times.
___Had bladder infections.
___Had urinary frequency or urgency.
___Vaginal discharge
___Feel weak all over.
___More nervous than usual.
___Often am dizzy or light-headed.
___Heart pounds or beats fast.
___Had constipation and/or diarrhea.
___Mouth ulcers
___Took antibiotics 3 times in past few years?
___Took antibiotics 3 times in past year?
___Have Premenstrual Syndrome (PMS).
___Have Mitral Valve Prolapse.
___Have allergic symptoms often.
___Strong perfumes make me sick.
___Have had a skin or nail fungus.
___Crave sugar, desserts or chocolate.
___Crave breads, and/or pastries.
___Have trouble thinking clearly.
___Noticed numbness or tingling.
___Pains in my stomach.
___Hypoglycemia (low blood sugar).
___Chronic rashes or itching skin.
___Had nausea and a "sick" stomach.
___Joints ache at times.
___Feel tired most of the time.
___Feel "drained" and exhausted.
___Stomach bloats frequently.
___Have a poor memory.
___Feel "spacey" and unreal.
___Muscles ache more often.
___Have depression fairly often.
___Have headaches frequently.
___Headaches are getting worse


Hope this helps!

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[This message has been edited by Melanie Reber (edited 21 November 2003).]


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looks like the lyme symptom list to me
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quote:
Originally posted by lymewarrior03:
looks like the lyme symptom list to me


YEP!!

Lyme LIST:

1. Unexplained fevers, sweats, chills, or flushing
2. Unexplained weight change--loss or gain
3. Fatigue, tiredness, poor stamina
4. Unexplained hair loss
5. Swollen glands: list areas_______________________________
6. Sore throat
7. Testicular pain/pelvic pain
8. Unexplained menstrual irregularity
9. Unexplained milk production: breast pain
10.Irritable bladder or bladder dysfunction
11.Sexual dysfunction or loss of libido
12.Upset stomach
13.Change in bowel function-constipation, diarrhea
14.Chest pain or rib soreness
15.Shortness of breath, cough
16.Heart palpitations, pulse skips, heart block
17.Any history of a heart murmur or valve prolapse?
18.Joint pain or swelling: list joints________________________
19.Stiffness of the joints, neck, or back
20.Muscle pain or cramps
21.Twitching of the face or other muscles
22.Headache
23.Neck creeks and cracks, neck stiffness, neck pain
24.Tingling, numbness, burning or stabbing sensations, shooting pains
25.Facial paralysis (Bell's Palsy)
26.Eyes/Vision: double, blurry, increased floaters, light sensitivity
27.Ears/Hearing: buzzing, ringing, ear pain, sound sensitivity
28.lncreased motion sickness, vertigo, poor balance
29.Lightheadedness, wooziness
30.Tremor
31.Confusion, difficulty in thinking
32.Diffculty with concentration, reading
33.Forgetfuiness, poor short term memory
34.Disorientation: getting lost, going to wrong places
35.Difficulty with speech or writing
36.Mood swings, irritability, depression
37.Disturbed sleep-too much, too little, early awakening
38.Exaggerated symptoms or worse hangover from alcohol


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Wow! these lists are HUGE. This could be worse than Lyme! I'm printing both lists out. I have so many of these symptoms.

Thanks Lymetoo and Melanie. These lists will be a help for all of us.

Yeast is yet another serious disease to be addressed. Lyme, arthritis, pain, and now yeast...I have a busy life ahead of me!

Thanks so much. BIG help.

lifeline


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I have devised a way for myself to find out if I am having problems with yeast. ( i do not do the yeast diet, im a jerk , I know)

Anywho, what I do is when I am just having a rough of it and dont know what is causing what, I take away ALL candida contributors for a few days, including antibiotics, sugar, bread, coffees, colas, etc.

After about three days, I have a nice big old cup of coffee or some candy and if its a yesat problem ( I do have systemic yeast that keeps rearing its ugly head) I usually get a slamming headache.

You can also do the spit test. This is on the internet, just to see if you HAVE candida. get a cold glass of water, very cold,first thing in the morning and spit into it BEFORE you eat, drink, smoke, brush teeth , etc. Let it

sit there and an hour later, go back. Anything growing in there with stringy looking legs is yeast.

I wouldnt recommend anyone go off antibiotics just because that is something i do at home ( LOL) but you could chop everything bad out of your diet,

and then come back with a candy bar and if you react, its most likely yeast.

You can also be tested for this. NOt really something you want to ask an MD as this is another area that they just dont get. Your LLMD might be able to help you.

Right now, yeast is my most significant problem as well as bartonella. Everything else is pretty much ok and lemme tell ya

oh YEAH it will make you feel like you havent come very far. My son was crunchin on some doritos today and mom ( me) hehe stole the bag and ate a whole bunch.

Paying for it with massive migraine. ;o)

THey do mimic each other so much, scares the crud out of me sometimes thinking about all the yeasty damage Im doing by PUTTING abx into my system, yet I need them!

HOpe that helped out some! You'll get through it. Im gonna drink bleach and get rid of mine. IM KIDDING!

Good luck


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Thanks Crime,

That's a great test to do just to check for yeast in the morning. I'll try it first thing tomorrow. Don't want no stringy legs!

I didn't know there was a test for candida. I'll check with my LLMD. Good info.

I do love chips (corn chips) especially with cheese over top. I never thought they were so bad cuz there's no sugar, but, of course, the carbs make up for it! But, I have to have some at times, especially if they're just sitting on the counter...waiting for me!

I'm passing on the bleach.

Thanks for the info. Great stuff.

lifeline


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Here's a short list of yeast symptoms that are not usually caused by Lyme:

Thick film on back of tongue
Lots of gas
Thrush
Itchy skin, inside of ears


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up for newbies

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Hi lifline...My LLMD does a nasal swab & checkes under the microscope for yeast - it's a instant thing, like 5 mins.

The spit test works great for your at home FYI- and if your yeast is very bad its also almost an instant result.

Strength is right about the gas - at one point I could have a glass of water & burp and feel awful for 2 hours. It was to a point I hated to ingest anything. Another sign I had was like a crusty film on the upper eyelids, like flaking skin. Cleared right up w/ diflucan.

Because these symptoms overlap, and are different for everyone, you have to kinda keep track of when things pop up, and what you've been on recently, and for me the most important- did it go away when taking probotics. After awhile you'll be a pretty good judge of your body/system and have a hunch about whats causing what.

Case in point - for the past few months, I have been having a problem with extremely watery eyes when I wake up in the morning. I actually had to take a napkin to my eyes & sop up the fluid so I could see. I would have to do this several times.Eye Dr said it was dry eyes - which I found kind of funny - cuz I had very wet eyes... At some point, I also noticed I was getting gasey when I ate and stomach felt awful, so I took diflucan for a few days & noticed that my eyes were not so wet in the morning. Next LLMD appt - I mentioned this - he did a swab of my eye & went to his microscope - low & behold - yeast. He said not alot - but just the same should be none in the eyes. Gave me more diflucan & it's much better. So that has become my current litnus test for yeast. Pay attention to your symptoms & you'll be able to tell (sometimes) whats going on in your body.

Just for your info - I never had a vag yeast infection during this time - seems the yeast loves our guts - it's the perfect environment for it. So it's possible to be totally infected w/ yeast & yet not have "typical" yeast infection. Hope this helps...~Cindy~


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quote:
Originally posted by GardenLymer:

Just for your info - I never had a vag yeast infection during this time - seems the yeast loves our guts - it's the perfect environment for it. So it's possible to be totally infected w/ yeast & yet not have "typical" yeast infection. Hope this helps...~Cindy~


YES...very true!! Everyone....read the rest of Cindy's post!


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Hi lifeline
Here is a easy and somewhat accurate
one day test for candida.
For starters-- have a large Pasta dinner-
include some bread-rice - potatoes-
have some wine. Have a big peice
of cake and ice cream--Wash down
with 3 pints of dark beer--Gennis stout
works well. Have some chips and salsa
Enjoy 2 more gennises pints
and sleep on it.---
For breakfast eat a stack of pancakes-
with syrip --include a bowel of cereal --
wash down with a large glass of frozen
orange juice-snack on a couple
of dounuts and a candy bar.
For lunch--have a sandwich--include
fries-a coke- and a pint
of good ice cream . Buy some
household cleaning chemicals and some
after shave. While enjoying 3 more
pints of Gennis distrubite chemicals
around home or office. Also smoke a
pack of Camels or have someone blow
smoke in your face.
Stand on a freshily paved
street corner- breath in lots of car
exhaust. Go to the corner store-
stand down wind from some one
filling there car with gasoline-
-(With a small amount of planing you
can combine many of the above at
one location)- Purchase 4 more pints
of Gennis and a pizza.-Eat pizza
and finish off 3 pints
of Gennis and your almost done.
Save last Gennis pint.
Now its time to check your test results-
- After going threw this testing-
-- You Feel OK- You are OK--For Sure--
---Enjoy last pint Gennis--
--Jay--


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Here is a simple test you can do at home, a test that I failed with flying colors. When you first get up, before you do ANYTHING or eat ANYTHING, get a clear glass.

Next, fill it with room temp water.

Then, spit in it. Make sure you get a good amount of spit in it.

Then wait for up to 15-20 minutes, don't move the glass around.

If you notice these stringy things growning off the bottom of your spit, chances are you have a yeast infection.

This test is no gold standard, but it's just something to try.

I think docs can do blood tests for it, as well as stool samples.

I think pretty much everyone has Candida in their bodies. But the Candida becomes active if you body becomes stressed with Lyme, infections and toxins, then the Candida comes out to play.


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I posted the candida spit test on here.

Correction to caps post: Fill the glass up with cold water. Candida ( that is normal for everyone to have in their GI system and bodies) grows like wildfire under heat.

Dont skew the results with warm water. Use cold. VERY cold.


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The spit test is a good way to check for Candida Albicans in the mout and intestines. But, if you want to know if you have Systemic Candida, in your bloodstream, then you need to do a simple blood test. There are 5 (I think) strains of Candida that can be Systemic. The blood test can check for all of these. Ask for an IgG, IgA and an IgM so you can tell if it is active.

Bc


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I had the systemic yeast blood test - and it came back low! - and I have most yeast symptoms noted - and I have horrible chemical sensitivities - so, I'm going by symptoms...we all know how accurate tests can be!

brodius


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Yeast


1. Have you taken tetracyclines or other antibiotics for
acne for 1 month (or longer)?
___________________________________________
2. Have you at any time in your life taken broadspectrum
antibiotics or other antibacterial medication for respiratory,
urinary or other infections for two months or longer, or in
shorter courses four or more times in a one-year period?
________________________________________________
3. Have you taken a broad-spectrum antibiotic
drug--even in a single dose?
____________________________________________
4. Have you, at any time in your life, been bothered by
persistent prostatitis, vaginitis or other problems affecting
your reproductive organs?
______________________________________________
5. Are you bothered by memory or concentration
problems--do you sometimes feel spaced out?
_____________________________________

6. Do you feel ``sick all over'' yet, in spite of visits to many
different physicians, the causes haven't been found?
_______________________________________________
7. Have you been pregnant...

_________________________________
8. Have you taken birth control pills...

_________________________________
9. Have you taken steroids orally, by injection or
inhalation?
_______________________________________
10. Does exposure to perfumes, insecticides, fabric shop
odors and other chemicals provoke . . .
?
_____________________________________________
11. Does tobacco smoke really bother you?
_______________________________________
12. Are your symptoms worse on damp, muggy days
or in moldy places?
___________________________________________
13. Have you had athlete's foot, ring worm, ``jock itch'' or
other chronic fungous infections of the skin or nails?

____________________________________________
14. Do you crave sugar?
__________________
1. Fatigue or lethargy
_______________________________________________________________
2. Feeling of being ``drained''
_______________________________________________________________
3. Depression or manic depression
_______________________________________________________________
4. Numbness, burning or tingling
_______________________________________________________________
5. Headache
_______________________________________________________________
6. Muscle aches
_______________________________________________________________
7. Muscle weakness or paralysis
_______________________________________________________________
8. Pain and/or swelling in joints
_______________________________________________________________
9. Abdominal pain
_______________________________________________________________
10. Constipation and/or diarrhea
_______________________________________________________________
11. Bloating, belching or intestinal gas
_______________________________________________________________
12. Troublesome vaginal burning, itching or discharge
_______________________________________________________________
13. Prostatitis
_______________________________________________________________
14. Impotence
_______________
15. Loss of sexual desire or feeling
_____________________________
16. Endometriosis or infertility
_________________________
17. Cramps and/or other menstrual irregularities
_______________________________________
18. Premenstrual tension
_____________________
19. Attacks of anxiety or crying
__________________________
20. Cold hands or feet, low body temperature
____________________________________
21. Hypothyroidism
_____________________
22. Shaking or irritable when hungry
______________________________
23. Cystitis or interstitial cystitis
_________________________
1. Drowsiness, including inappropriate drowsiness
_________________________________________
2. Irritability
_________
3. Incoordination
____________________
4. Frequent mood swings
______________________
5. Insomnia
____________
6. Dizziness/loss of balance
________________________
7. Pressure above ears . . . feeling of head swelling
__________________________________________
8. Sinus problems . . . tenderness of cheekbones or forehead
____________________________________________________
9. Tendency to bruise easily
________________________
10. Eczema, itching eyes
____________________
11. Psoriasis
___________
12. Chronic hives (urticaria)
_________________________
13. Indigestion or heartburn
_________________________
14. Sensitivity to milk, wheat, corn or other common foods
______________________________________________
15. Mucus in stools
_________________
16. Rectal itching
________________
17. Dry mouth or throat
___________________
18. Mouth rashes, including ``white'' tongue
___________________________________
19. Bad breath
__________________
20. Foot, hair or body odor not relieved by washing
_________________________________________
21. Nasal congestion or postnasal drip
_________________________________________
22. Nasal itching
_______________
23. Sore throat
_______________
24. Laryngitis, loss of voice
________________________
25. Cough or recurrent bronchitis
_________________________
26. Pain or tightness in chest
________________________
27. Wheezing or shortness of breath
______________________________
28. Urinary frequency or urgency
____________________________
29. Burning on urination
__________________
30. Spots in front of eyes or erratic vision
________________________________
31. Burning or tearing eyes
_____________________

32. Recurrent infections or fluid in ears
________________________________
33. Ear pain or deafness
___________________


Tired
Muscle Ache
Lack of Focus
Irritable
Depressed
Moody
Headache
Crave sugar
Sleepy
Constipation
Diarrhea
Gassy
Rectal or Vaginal Discomfort
Lack of sexual feelings
Cramps
Numb
Painful Joints
Crying Jags
Dizzy
Sinus Discomfort
Insomnia
Bad Breath
Body Odor
Sore Throat
Coughing/wheezing/shortness of breath
From:
YeastConnection

Symptoms of Lyme Disease
The Tick Bite (fewer than 50% recall a tick bite or get/see the rash)
1. Rash Rashes at site of bite on other parts of your body basically circular and spreading out (or generalized) disappearing and recurring
Head, Face, Neck

2. Unexplained hair loss
3. Headache, mild or severe, Seizures
4. Pressure in Head, White Matter Lesions in Head (MRI)
5. Twitching of facial or other muscles
6. Facial paralysis (Bell's Palsy)  -
7. Tingling of nose, (tip of) tongue, cheek or facial flushing
8. Stiff or painful neck
9. Jaw pain or stiffness
10. Dental problems (unexplained)
11. Sore throat, clearing throat a lot, phlegm ( flem ), hoarseness, runny nose
Eyes/Vision

12. Double or blurry vision
13. Increased floating spots
14. Pain in eyes, or swelling around eyes
15. Oversensitivity to light
16. Flashing lights/Peripheral waves/phantom images in corner of eyes
Ears/Hearing

17. Decreased hearing in one or both ears, plugged ears
18. Buzzing in ears
19. Pain in ears, oversensitivity to sounds
20. Ringing in one or both ears
Digestive and Excretory Systems

21. Diarrhea
22. Constipation
23. Irritable bladder (trouble starting, stopping) or Interstitial cystitis
24. Upset stomach (nausea or pain) or GERD (gastroesophageal reflux disease)
Musculoskeletal System

25. Bone pain, joint pain or swelling, carpal tunnel syndrome
26. Stiffness of joints, back, neck, tennis elbow
27. Muscle pain or cramps, [url=http://www.canlyme.com/fibromyalgia.html (Fibromyalgia)][/url]
Respiratory and Circulatory Systems

28. Shortness of breath, can't get full/satisfying breath, cough
29. Chest pain or rib soreness
30. Night sweats or unexplained chills
31. Heart palpitations or extra beats
32. Endocarditis Heart blockage
Neurologic System

33. Tremors or unexplained shaking
34. Burning or stabbing sensations in the body
35. Fatigue, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome Weakness, peripheral neuropathy or partial paralysis
36. Pressure in the head
37. Numbness in body, tingling, pinpricks
38. Poor balance, dizziness, difficulty walking
39. Increased motion sickness
40. Lightheadedness, wooziness
Psychological well-being

41. Mood swings, irritability, bi-polar disorder
42. Unusual depression
43. Disorientation (getting or feeling lost)
44. Feeling as if you are losing your mind
45. Over-emotional reactions, crying easily
46. Too much sleep, or insomnia
47. Difficulty falling or staying asleep
48. Narcolepsy, sleep apnea
49. Panic attacks, anxiety
Mental Capability

50. Memory loss (short or long term)
51. Confusion, difficulty in thinking
52. Difficulty with concentration or reading
53. Going to the wrong place
54. Speech difficulty (slurred or slow)
55. Stammering speech
56. Forgetting how to perform simple tasks
Reproduction and Sexuality

57. Loss of sex drive
58. Sexual dysfunction
59. Unexplained menstral pain, irregularity
60. Unexplained breast pain, discharge
61. Testicular or pelvic pain
General Well-being

62. Unexplained weight gain, loss
63. Extreme fatigue
64. Swollen glands/lymph nodes
65. Unexplained fevers (high or low grade)
66. Continual infections (sinus, kidney, eye, etc.)
67. Symptoms seem to change, come and go
68. Pain migrates (moves) to different body parts
69. Early on, experienced a "flu-like" illness, after which you have not since felt well.
70. Low body temperature
71. Allergies/Chemical sensitivities
72. Increased affect from alcohol and possible worse hangover

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I know everyone's different but in the past when I have had sytemic yeast I have ahd the following:

*Bad intestional gas and really smells worse than foul
vag yeast infection
*thrush
*pain when I swallow pills
*nuasea
really tired, more so than usual, weak
Generally fely sick all over

All of the above symptoms would happen at once and this was a sign for me to bring out the "big guns in the antifungal meds"

The stared ones are a sign to me that it probly is an upper/lower GI yeast problem

make sure to talk over everything first with our LLMD

[ 03. August 2006, 06:35 PM: Message edited by: 5dana8 ]

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Wow, Tree, you outdid yourself on the long list of symptoms here! Thanks for all your expertise helping everyone here on the board! [Big Grin]
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The best way to know if it's yeast is to go on the diet and take Diflucan or some of the natural "cures"....You will know by how you feel!

Of course, you will herx from the die-off if you have a bad case...but after about a week or two you will feel MUCH BETTER if it's yeast!

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whoops

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