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GiGi
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just one of the global approaches to bugs.....

I am posting for you my collection of "remarks" by Dr. K. The small paragraphs are unrelated. I heard one remark at one time, another remark was made at another time. The main thing to learn to understand is........

Don't try to pinpoint the specific bugs. We are treating an eco-system within us.

It is estimated through some newer studies that at any given time there are about 400 bowel bacteria that can currently be diagnosed, but science already knows that it estimates the number of different species in our bowel to be closer to 20,000. That means out of some 20,000 bugs, we only can diagnose 400. And the question comes up -- `what's the point?''

Let's do a global treatment for it. Let's raise specific immunity to the bugs. I use freeze-dried o r g a n i c garlic which is fantastic when it releases its allicin for its global anti-infectious effect.

Let's look at what the metals are doing to the person, and kind of undo that part so the body can do the rest. It's really kind of going back to the old naturopathic principles.

When you move mercury in reverse through the tissues (by DMPS shots, or other agents), you have to give Vitamin E and Garlic as protective agents in the blood, otherwise you get a tremendous amount of oxidative damage in the blood.

Vitamin E protects the system very strongly while mercury is moving out from the system. Vitamin E and garlic protect the red blood cells and the white blood cells while mercury is coming out backwards from the cells to the connective tissue, out in the bloodstream stream and out through the emunctories. The blood needs to be protected. The Vitamin E is doing a great job. I am not totally sure that alpha tocopherol anymore is the right one. That was the one in the literature, but at the time there was nothing else available. There is lots of literature now about gamma tocopherol being the far better agent, and there is a conflict between gamma and alpha. They neutralize each other, and there are the tocotrienols now, so I am not sure about the ultimate..... the research that was done on the protective effects of Vitamin E was done on the cheap over-the-counter alpha tocophereol.

************************************************************************We want to support the toxin removal via the gallbladder and bile duct. And again, the psychological work shines here. Coriander (Cilantro tincture) is incredible for the gallbladder and Taraxacum (dandelion) and Garlic and Bear Garlic (which is a form of European wild garlic) which is fantastic in its properties.


I have a whole lecture on garlic. There is a principle that applies in detox that is very important for you to understand. In the old days, the treatment of syphilis was giving people high doses of mercury. That's because mercury was an effective antibiotic for syphilis. Beethoven died of mercury poisoning from syphilis treatment, that's why he lost his hearing. Mozart died of mercury poisoning, which is not known in the U.S. It is known in Austria, but they kept it as a little small secret, so he could be the hero out there and not be shamed in that way. But it is important. Yes, Mozart didn't die of TB; he died of mercury poisoning.

Some people died because it killed the body before it killed the bugs, but just follow me mentally, and sort of know: Imagine you have somebody who is full of amalgam fillings and has high mercury levels in their system, and they get bitten by a Lyme spirochete. What will that do to the Lyme spirochete? It will control it somewhat in the system. Right? The daily dose of mercury coming in the system will suppress the Lyme spriochete.

Now what is going to happen if you remove the amalgam fillings? The Lyme disease suddently starts burning like a wildfire, and mostly because the Lyme spirochete recover from the mercury poisoning much quicker than the cells of our immune system do. That's a big enigma in our thing, that we do detox and some patients get clearly worse. And it's always the same; they've got Lyme disease or some other infection that was controlled before with mercury.

Suggestion: How about controlling the infection with something else, like some nice herbs instead? The nicest herb that we have found is freeze-dried garlic. There is fantastic literature. There is Dr. Zhang in NY who tracked the treatment of syphilis in China, which was always done with garlic very, very successfully. So we give people high doses of freeze-dried garlic, 3 capsules after each meal, 3-4 times each day. We work slowly up to it. Once side effect is that the worms come out, and giardia and amoebas get killed. We have got all the literature. H. pylori die from it. Most Herpes viruses disappear from the system. So those are the side effect of garlic, that you clean up the gut, but it is also very, very potent in the treatment of Lyme Disease and the other co-infections.

Now, when we struggled a little bit with the issue that the freeze-dried garlic we had available so far was not organic. It was grown in China, and we know about the uncontrolled pollution of herbs and stuff in China, so we now went to an organic source of freeze-dried garlic, which is slightly more expensive, but is fantastic, and I recommend the use of that. Biopure carries it. and it is produced by very close friends of us who constantly check the whole production - from where and how it is grown to here. That is a very important issue, because garlic binds toxins very naturally. It is strong because of its sulfa compounds, and if it's not grown organically, it is already full of stuff we don't want.

Freeze-dried garlic is a very very important co-treatment when you detox somebody to keep the infections at bay that you otherwise may unleash, to give the immune system time to recover. The immune system usually takes between 1-2 years to bounce back, and in that time when we give the freeze-dried goat whey, it has all the transfer factors and the immunity that the mama goat transfers to the baby goat; so we are basically treating the mercury toxic patient like the baby goat that needs immune support, and it needs the knocking down of the bugs with the garlic.

These are two aspects that are overlooked in, I think, pretty much everybody else's detox programs. You cannot do detox without addressing the infections that are in there.
It's an ecocystem that you are changing and you can't just do one intervention. You have to treat all the players with it.

Bear garlic, also called European Garlic, versus regular garlic: Regular garlic is what most of the studies were based on. However, in Europe there is a tradition for about 2000 years, the old Celts every spring when bear garlic blooms (it doesn't form a bulb like garlic does), used it. It's a leaf actually that has all the allin in it that then converts to allicin, and the old German tribes used it. Even Caesar wrote a book on that, a small section on it. In spring, the Celts had the habit of trearing out the bear garlic leaves and eating them.

For the old Germans, it was their parasite cleanse in spring - by eating the bear garlic leaves. They also attributed to it that they got supernatural male powers from it - so it was an aphrodisiac as well and gave them a certain sense of supernormal strength.

A friend pharmacist, did a comparative study on the ingredients and found on a per gram basis, there is more allin, which is the precursor, there's more allin and alinase in garlic. Allin is the active, the holy substance in there. Then the moment you chew it, the enzyme that is released in the cell wall of the alinase, and it converts allin into allicin. Allicin is the most potent plant anit-microbial agent ever studied. So bear garlic has more of that in it.

The trouble with bear garlic: A couple of papers were published by Dr. K. in Germany and then it became the most popular wild plant in Germany, already with the effect that in only 12 years, the amount has been truly decimated. It only grows naturally, you can't cultivate it in farms. It has to grow by riverbanks. So it's not sustainable at the current rate of use.

Shift to the garlic that can be gown in farms organically.

Garlic is a medicine. Let's not tell anybody, because at the rate we are going with use of herbs, mushrooms, chapparal being taken away, etc., as soon as a study is published showing medicinal effects, ........
one day we will not be allowed to eat garlic anymore, or eggs, or dink milk because it's turned into medicine............................

Most studies are done in Eastern countries - for obvious reasons???!!!

Take care.

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Thanks GiGi

That was Fabulous.

1- questins:
-Should you then use bear garlic (leaves) instead or in conjunction with reg frezze dryed garlic?

2- Is it freeze dyed goat whey or freeze dryed mineral goay's whey?

Thanks again [Smile]

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The message about not going after individual bugs is an important one. I do think treatment of some specific bugs is useful like Bartonella or Babesia, etc. but then it has been easy for me personally to fall into the trap of every possible bug that might be there and what to do about them. The message about the ecosystem is one I am learning and I think is important.

I am doing the garlic, addressing the mercury, etc. It is all so important.

Thanks GiGi

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Okay in the scheme of getting better this may sound like a dumb question. Does taking the freeze dried garlic make you smell like garlic?

I hve students from other cultures whose food contains lots of garlic and they smell like garlic.

Just wondering what to tell my co-workers if they suddenly start avoiding me (just trying to add some humor here).

Again, Gigi--thanks for your input. Buy the way, does Goat's whey (no pun intended) contain casein like cow dairy products do? Hiker

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Thanks Gigi

I found it especially interesting about the amalgams being removed and the lyme infection going wild....

I believe this is what happened with my son....

Tried boosting his immune system with a protocol for pyroluria and low zinc...Included high C's and B's....

Started having problems with behaviors....I believe I was killing some bugs without even knowing it....Had the amalgams out and all hell broke loose....Lyme just showed up all over the place...Tested highly positive to WB for both IgG and IgM....

I just tried explaining this to someone the other day and this article just validated what I said...

Eileen

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Hiker, you take the Garlic to titration, i.e. you cut back a bit before it comes out through skin, etc. You sort of learn where the limit is - when your neighbor knocks on the door and when you open she takes two steps backward!!!

I had a real funny experience. At Cosco was looking at Italian foods in the cold storage display bins. A lady next to me, looking at the same products, mused 'boy, these Italians do put plenty of garlic in this' ----- that's when I realized that now I could cut back. [Razz] [Smile] But it did the trick without more antibiotics.

Re casein in Goat whey - no, casein is a protein part of any milk. The whey contains no protein, but is simply a 100% natural mineral and electrolyte replacement. Without the proper mineral balance in the body, there is no detox possible. It is made as nature prepares it - not some biochemist throwing a variety of minerals together that no one knows where they actually came from, such as colloidals, etc. These minerals are easily absorbed.

Take care.

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GiGi,

I wanted to order some of the supplements you suggest, particularly freeze-dried garlic, chlorella, Phospholipid Exchange, and goat whey protein.

How do get the chlorella and Phospholipid Exchange from BioPure? Their website does not sell it.

Also, are the brand of freeze-dried garlic & goat whey protein available on the internet?

I live in Oklahoma, and have difficulty finding good supplements in the stores.

Thank you for all your help!

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fyi, this went super wide for me so I'm breaking it up since I want to read the contents!

quote:
Originally posted by GiGi:
just one of the global approaches to bugs.....

I am posting for you my collection of "remarks" by Dr. K. The small paragraphs are unrelated. I heard one remark at one time, another remark was made at another time. The main thing to learn to understand is........

Don't try to pinpoint the specific bugs. We are treating an eco-system within us.

It is estimated through some newer studies that at any given time there are about 400 bowel bacteria that can currently be diagnosed, but science already knows that it estimates the number of different species in our bowel to be closer to 20,000.

That means out of some 20,000 bugs, we only can diagnose 400. And the question comes up -- `what's the point?''

Let's do a global treatment for it. Let's raise specific immunity to the bugs.

I use freeze-dried o r g a n i c garlic, which is fantastic when it releases its allicin for its global anti-infectious effect.

Let's look at what the metals are doing to the person, and kind of undo that part so the body can do the rest. It's really kind of going back to the old naturopathic principles.

When you move mercury in reverse through the tissues (by DMPS shots, or other agents), you have to give Vitamin E and Garlic as protective agents in the blood, otherwise you get a tremendous amount of oxidative damage in the blood.

Vitamin E protects the system very strongly while mercury is moving out from the system.

Vitamin E and garlic protect the red blood cells and the white blood cells while mercury is coming out backwards from the cells to the connective tissue, out in the bloodstream stream and out through the emunctories.

The blood needs to be protected. The Vitamin E is doing a great job.

I am not totally sure that alpha tocopherol anymore is the right one. That was the one in the literature, but at the time there was nothing else available.

There is lots of literature now about gamma tocopherol being the far better agent, and there is a conflict between gamma and alpha. They neutralize each other, and there are the tocotrienols now, so I am not sure about the ultimate.....

the research that was done on the protective effects of Vitamin E was done on the cheap over-the-counter alpha tocophereol.

**************************************************We want to support the toxin removal via the gallbladder and bile duct. And again, the psychological work shines here.

Coriander (Cilantro tincture) is incredible for the gallbladder and Taraxacum (dandelion) and Garlic and Bear Garlic (which is a form of European wild garlic) which is fantastic in its properties.

I have a whole lecture on garlic. There is a principle that applies in detox that is very important for you to understand.

In the old days, the treatment of syphilis was giving people high doses of mercury. That's because mercury was an effective antibiotic for syphilis.

Beethoven died of mercury poisoning from syphilis treatment, that's why he lost his hearing.

Mozart died of mercury poisoning, which is not known in the U.S. It is known in Austria, but they kept it as a little small secret, so he could be the hero out there and not be shamed in that way. But it is important. Yes, Mozart didn't die of TB; he died of mercury poisoning .

Some people died because it killed the body before it killed the bugs, but just follow me mentally, and sort of know:

Imagine you have somebody who is full of amalgam fillings and has high mercury levels in their system, and they get bitten by a Lyme spirochete. What will that do to the Lyme spirochete?

It will control it somewhat in the system. Right? The daily dose of mercury coming in the system will suppress the Lyme spriochete.

Now what is going to happen if you remove the amalgam fillings?

The Lyme disease suddently starts burning like a wildfire, and mostly because the Lyme spirochete recover from the mercury poisoning much quicker than the cells of our immune system do.

That's a big enigma in our thing, that we do detox and some patients get clearly worse.

And it's always the same; they've got Lyme disease or some other infection that was controlled before with mercury.

Suggestion: How about controlling the infection with something else, like some nice herbs instead?

The nicest herb that we have found is freeze-dried garlic. There is fantastic literature .

There is Dr. Zhang in NY who tracked the treatment of syphilis in China, which was always done with garlic very, very successfully.

So we give people high doses of freeze-dried garlic, 3 capsules after each meal, 3-4 times each day. We work slowly up to it.

Once side effect is that the worms come out, and giardia and amoebas get killed. We have got all the literature. H. pylori die from it.

Most Herpes viruses disappear from the system.

So those are the side effect of garlic, that you clean up the gut, but it is also very, very potent in the treatment of Lyme Disease and the other co-infections.

Now, when we struggled a little bit with the issue that the freeze-dried garlic, we had available so far was not organic.

It was grown in China, and we know about the uncontrolled pollution of herbs and stuff in China, so we now went to an organic source of freeze-dried garlic, which is slightly more expensive, but is fantastic, and I recommend the use of that.

Biopure carries it. and it is produced by very close friends of us who constantly check the whole production - from where and how it is grown to here.

That is a very important issue, because garlic binds toxins very naturally. It is strong because of its sulfa compounds, and if it's not grown organically, it is already full of stuff we don't want.

Freeze-dried garlic is a very, very important co-treatment when you detox somebody to keep the infections at bay that you otherwise may unleash, to give the immune system time to recover .

The immune system usually takes between 1-2 years to bounce back, and in that time when we give the freeze-dried goat whey, it has all the transfer factors and the immunity that the mama goat transfers to the baby goat;

so we are basically treating the mercury toxic patient like the baby goat that needs immune support, and it needs the knocking down of the bugs with the garlic.

These are two aspects that are overlooked in, I think, pretty much everybody else's detox programs.

You cannot do detox without addressing the infections that are in there.

It's an ecocystem that you are changing and you can't just do one intervention. You have to treat all the players with it.

Bear garlic, also called European Garlic, versus regular garlic:

Regular garlic is what most of the studies were based on. However, in Europe there is a tradition for about 2000 years, the old Celts every spring when bear garlic blooms (it doesn't form a bulb like garlic does), used it.

It's a leaf actually that has all the allin in it that then converts to allicin, and the old German tribes used it. Even Caesar wrote a book on that, a small section on it. In spring, the Celts had the habit of trearing out the bear garlic leaves and eating them.

For the old Germans, it was their parasite cleanse in spring - by eating the bear garlic leaves. They also attributed to it that they got supernatural male powers from it - so it was an aphrodisiac as well and gave them a certain sense of supernormal strength.

A friend pharmacist, did a comparative study on the ingredients and found on a per gram basis, there is more allin, which is the precursor, there's more allin and alinase in garlic.

Allin is the active, the holy substance in there. Then the moment you chew it, the enzyme that is released in the cell wall of the alinase, and it converts allin into allicin.

Allicin is the most potent plant anit-microbial agent ever studied. So bear garlic has more of that in it.

The trouble with bear garlic: A couple of papers were published by Dr. K. in Germany and then it became the most popular wild plant in Germany, already with the effect that in only 12 years, the amount has been truly decimated.

It only grows naturally, you can't cultivate it in farms. It has to grow by riverbanks. So it's not sustainable at the current rate of use.

Shift to the garlic that can be gown in farms organically.

Garlic is a medicine. Let's not tell anybody, because at the rate we are going with use of herbs, mushrooms, chapparal being taken away, etc., as soon as a study is published showing medicinal effects, ........

one day we will not be allowed to eat garlic anymore, or eggs, or drink milk because it's turned into medicine............................

Most studies are done in Eastern countries - for obvious reasons???!!!Take care.


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Tempe, you can call Biopure at 1-800-801-6187.
Their website also lists the products that they have and their phone numbers and other info.

They have all you mentioned. Am not sure of the Goat Whey Protein. If you want the goat whey (without protein) for the mineral balancing it contains, get the goat whey at Mt. Capra.com. The show their phone number on their website. That is the type of goat whey Dr. K. uses for patients and I don't think Biopure carries it.
So try Mt. Capra's website for ordering info.

Take care.

P.S. Tempe, if you order at Biopure, ask them to also send you the description/instruction sheets for each. It tells you how to use the products, etc.

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I thought I might as well bump this post up, as it was an excellent post by Gigi.

I just started on Garlic to help kill any possible viruses, parasites, etc. Each capsule contains 400mg of Freeze dried garlic, and 200ug Biotin.
I didn't realise Biopure was the best brand, so next time I will order it from the Klinghardt academy.

How often do you think I should increase the dose?
Is it OK to take really high doses of Garlic?

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I was ART tested, never more than 2 freeze garlic caps a day in my case. I feel the positive killing effects only with these two, but they have to be diluted in water to have the strongest effects.

Others may need more, I suppose!

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In general, the amount testing with ART is not depended upon as a final prescription. It can change tomorrow to "take zero" and it can change in a week to "take 9 a day". Size, type of garlic taken, strength of product varies very much with every different garlic product, and so do the requirement of the body.

Biopure for instance has an Alliin content of
20,000 ppm as certified by Quality Assurance International.

The garlic if taken in water has a stronger effect and if I remember correctly it does not need to be taken right after a meal. It can be taken at other times also.

I am not taking any right now, but I will put up a supply later today for our emergency kit: E. Coli in spinach - where else? It's a wonderful thing to have especially during flu season.

But what I wanted to say: nothing tested with ART is written in stone. ART reflects exactly the body requirements (if testing is done correctly) at this particular moment. It's a good thing we all still have our own good judgement.

Take care.

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What about Garlic being a "HOT" herb? I used to take it, but quit about 2 or 3 months ago, as I was told that Hot herbs like Garlic, will neutralize the "COLD" herbs in Buhner's protocol.

Did this "Master" tell me wrong?

Jim [Cool]

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JimB, I have no idea about the hot and the cold herbs. To me, garlic is a food that is mixed all the time with many other herbs. I do that all the time.

When Dr. K. recommends garlic to anyone, he usually tests it as one of the total intake. I never paid any attention to hot or cold and know that I have taken pounds of herbs and even more pounds of garlic over the years when I was treating Lyme. The subject never came up.

Possibly you can e-mail Stephen Buhner and ask him that. I think I would give up a lot of other stuff before I would give up garlic, because it literally works as 'anti'-anything that we don't want in our body.

Would be curious to hear also what he says!

Take care.

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GiGi:
I got my info from Sarah at 1st Chinese Herbs. She has a Masters Degree in herbal medicine, though not a doctor.

She related to me that it is important in Chinese medicine to understand the relationship between HOT and COLD herbs. As for the most part they cut the effectiveness of each other. Like mixing hot and cold water, you get lukewarm.

She said it would NOT be good for me to use Garlic with Buhner's protocol because he has studied this in great detail and his recommendations for the herbs are either COLD or like in the case of sarsaparilla, neutral; so looked up some other herbs I was on too, and recommended, though couldn't prescribe, that I remove all HOT herbs from my protocol IF I were to remain on Buhner's protocols.

I was also on Olive Leaf and Oregano, but when she looked them up, she couldn't find anything on them in chinese medicine. She thought it might be better to NOT use them until I could find out IF they would be compatible. I just quit using them, at least for now.

I don't think I want to quit all my herbs from Buhner's protocol to use Garlic.

Don't you think he would be recommending it IF he thought it was good with his protocol?

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FYI

I am using fresh organic garlic. I chop it and gulp 1/2 tsp after each meal. It goes down easy. This is equivalent to 3 cloves a day.

It is much cheaper than pill form. I chop ahead of time so the allin turns to allicin.

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Allimax makes a stabilized garlic which I rely upon.
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Gigi-

I've been reading for weeks now on the metals detox, garlic and chorella. And have actually located several biological dentists, thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

I know you have posted this before and can you direct me to it again. I can't seem to find this answer. How does one decide that they are stable enough to start the detox program. I'm leary of doing it too fast.

I'm have a bit of money now to order the chorella and garlic but want to know if this should be done prior to dental work to lessen the load?

Thanks so much.

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I guess I should add here that I usually took my garlic following right immediately after the meals. I did not concern myself with any of the herbs in my meals - which I use a lot of.

But talking about the Buhner herbs or the PC Samento, PC Noni, etc., Andrographis, Stephania, etc., and garlic, garlic is best taken away from these herbs. That doesn't mean it's either garlic or any of the others. Dr. K. recommends to patients to make themselves a cocktail of the different herbs that they sip on throughout the day (assuming you use the tinctures) and do the garlic following the meals. Or do the garlic drink at separate times.

We attended a Dr. K. seminar, at which Lyme, etc. is always part of the overall, and this was the info that was given.

JimB, did not mean to mislead you. The important point is that they all are beneficial if taken properly. I will do a separate post on what I learned "how to make herbs work".

Take care.

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Chroniccosmic, chlorella and garlic are neurotoxin mop-up agents, not only for heavy metals.

If you have found a dentist that is alert to mercury toxicity, etc., he/she should advise you how to prepare for the work to be done. I loaded up on chlorella before, during and after, followed by Vitamin C IV's etc.

You might get more details in the published "Neurotoxin Elimination Protocol" by Dr. Klinghardt. I think it is also on his www.klinghardt.org. I read all of these publications many times, and still find something that I had forgotten or missed when I read it again.

On that same site there is also a Mercury Detox publication of some 15 pages that you can print out and then read when you have time. If you get into that kind of treatment, it's best to know as much as you can dig up to help yourself. No doctor or dentist can guide you through this in every detail. The info that Dr. K. provides openly is a good starter because he has done it all over many years. More is learned daily.

Take care.

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Thank you, I am reading the articles now.
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As for cold cancelling hot, it could be true if we treat ONLY with Chinese herbs. Not my case, as I have no idea about chlorella, for example. This is THE plant I take more a day.

Ceanothus americanus is a Western plant too (red root), so I dont' know if the Chinese use this plant and classify it either ??!

I suppose cillantro is hot? I take that too for detox.

Foods we eat are cold/ hot according to the Chinese. Supposedly, we should also have to control what we eat and drink then. And I think the Chinese specialist can also see if your meridians need hot/ cold things.

Last time someone measured my 'pulse', the person told me I was way too cold!!! It was true, I was freezing!! He prescribed me a mix of herbs in tincture/liquid to warm some meridians (?) (I think it was the kidney meridian).

I can't really say the liquid helped me with lyme, but chills got a bit bearable. He was not a lyme specialist either, so I never went back as Buhner's herbs started to work (even if they made my chills sometimes worse, probably herxing). He also prescribed me hot teas with cinamon and other very hot herbs! THIS was warming, like drinking vodka.

I don't know how this all work, to kill lyme herbs are cold (that seems to be the norm), but our meridians may be needing to be warmed ?? I think only a specialist can say, maybe each body is still different on that too... (?)

I've been using garlic not simultaneously with Buhner's herbs for many weeks/ months, I feel no bad effect on Buhner's protocol at all.

On the contrary, I feel garlic deals with many infections that Buhner's herbs don't address, specially brain/ intestines parasites.

As Gigi says, ART is another method, and practioners will test each herb individually then will test them all together to see if they interact badly. The 2 times I was tested good for garlic, Buhner's herbs were always there and didn't show bad interaction.

But ART is another method than the Chinese, so I feel there's right and wrong here, just 2 parallel approches.

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Bringing this up because the info here is so good. [Smile]

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isn't it something -- all the things we learn about the lowly garlic -- sometimes I am amazed at myself, at what I learned -- Life would have been so dull without Lyme and garlic.....................................

But do take the stuff!

Take care.

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up --- it still works - especially if you have taken care of possible dysregulations that clearly show up when doing the Allergie Immun test.

Allergies/DNA dysregulations of fungi/mold is very common among people with or without Lyme. That means that the body incorrectly identifies food substances and other substances - pseudo allergies - and mold and fungi is one of them.

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My Chelex product includes allicin and cilantro

Now I know why : )

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GiGi,

So if one is chelating mercury... you're just saying it'd be wise to have garlic in the bloodstream to keep Lyme at bay.

Because when we remove mercury we will subsequently be freeing up Lyme?


Removing metals is still a must, right?


I know yeast can be tough to beat if one has metal poisoning/ (yeast protects us from metals!)

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Cleaning up the terrain from all toxin is priority, because eliminating Lyme and co-infection is not possible when the body is toxic.
You have got to do it all.

Cleanup of toxic metals, chemicals, fungi, etc. is not possible as long as you are allergic to any of them and your body is unable to regulate. Antibiotics slowly but surely put the immune system out of action. Most Lymies end up with a more or less dysfunctional immune system. Check with the people who have taken the AI test. The immune system does not recognize the toxins any longer and you accumulate more and more.

Lyme is a multi-factorial disease. Read Dr.K.'s

Lyme Disease: A Look Beyond Antibiotics. It is as true today as when it was first published in 2004.

Some things have changed because we learn more and more. Metals cause cell death. Probably one of the reasons we got sick in the first place.

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Gigi - thanks for bumping this up [Cool]

Any ideas / insights on what to use if garlic is not allowed due to blood thinning drugs ?
Thanks [Big Grin]

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gigi,

So once terrain is clear (or close to it) whats the plan for attack on lyme and co??

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Massman, don't know, except you would not catch me with blood thinning drugs. It takes little to get that under control. Have you tried Rechtsregulat? At least it has a thousand other benefits plus thinning blood almost instantly. I hope you are not on the rat poison that PCP's like when things get a bit sticky because of microbial infections. Garlic is a good blood thinner - reason why it works so well in so many different areas.

Canefan, When you are chemical and metal free, candida and mold eliminated, EMF secure, and regenerated your organs and your immune system, you will be symptom free and you won't need to worry about Lyme. This is not like tearing an old dirty house apart and putting it back together! and I am afraid you will just have to wait how things go. It can take months, some people take years. We didn't acquire the chronic condition overnight, and it will
take time and patience. It will also take clearing unresolved emotional conflicts, all of which have contributed to our getting sick in the first place. Read Dr. K's "Five Levels of Healing" -- they are all part of the equation.

You are making an earnest effort, but I am afraid this is not a marathon run or a contest who gets there first - your body will let you when it is ready. The body heals in layers and it will tell you, or you may have to seek some energetic testing if you get lost not knowing what should be next to reach your goal. I am afraid school medicine operates differently and I can't even think at that level. All I can offer is - read Dr.K.'s writings - I have posted a lot of what I have learned from him and what helped me to get well again.

Good luck.

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Another way to create better blood flow is to supplement with vitamin k2. It will help to better regulate free floating calcium. Do some research and you'll find Dr. Weston Price did quite a bit of research on it calling it activator X. It is now believed to be K2.

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Thanks, Gigi + lymie !
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GiGi,

I really appreciate it.

I currently see someone that specializes in Bio Energetic Syncronization Technique, acupuncture, and chiropractic.

He is helping me get my body back on track while I detox metals, eliminate candida, and knock back Lyme.

He agrees that getting the immune system back will be what finishes Lyme off.

Thanks again GiGi.

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I have not been able to find an answer -- does garlic kill intracellular bugs/fungus or just stuff in the blood?

If most of the infection is hiding in tissue and cells -- this is where we need our killing agent. Can garlic do that? I know colloidal silver does not.

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GiGi, does organic freeze dried garlic capsules have allicin in it?

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Brandimc, read this carefully.


QAI certified raw organic garlic, Advanced Sublimation Technology. 26,800 ppm alliin content (industry standard for high potency is 10,000 ppm).
* Historical data:
* First recorded 5000 BC - Sumerians of Mesopotamia.
* Hippocrates 400 BC - infections, digestive problems and cancer.
* Dioscorides 100 BC - infections, clearing arteries and Leprosy.
* Louis Pasteur 1858 - scientific proof that garlic kills germs.
* Known in WWII as the "Russian Penicillin".
The medicinal properties of fresh garlic have been known for centuries and it has been the mainstay `anti-infective'of numerous civilications through the ages.

The problem that has arisen in presenting garlic as a supplement is the inherent instability of the initial active substance, allicin, which is created when a clove of garlic is crushed.

Allicin is not found, as such, within the garlic clove, instead, when the clove is crushed, allicin is formed instantaneously from the interaction of an enzyme called alliinase on a precursor of allicin called alliin.

By selecting the highest quality of garlic cloves, rich in alliin and alliinase, and then gently freeze-drying them, a concentrated powder is produced which only releases the prime active allicin component when ingested and rehydrated, i.e. all of the allicin is released within the gastrointestinal tract. This is exactly how the highest possible potency garlic is presented as a concentrate with all of the active components intact,

This way it is an active concentrate of freeze-dried garlic rich in alliin and alliinase, which releases high levels of allicin directly in the gut when ingested and rehydrated.

We take the freeze dried garlic after the last bite of the meal, or take it between meals by opening the capsule into a bit of lukewarm water and drinking it. It tastes pretty good, I must say.

I used garlic every day (9-12 capsules divided) for many months - and I only could do that continuously by taking it in or from capsules. I had brief period of no garlic in between to avoid incompatibility - I never take anything without a break. Crushing would have stopped my taking it. But that is me ! If you put it in capsules, the alliin will disappear. I don't know what would happen if you freeze it. It is not freeze-dried. And it should be only organic --- not from China which probably is toxic as you buy it. I used and still use Biopureus or BioImmersion - note the potency of 26,800 ppm alliin and the potency that is industry standard.

I think it was one of my most beneficial medicines because it works across the board - antibacterial, antiviral, antifungal, antiparasitic, and it is very effective with heavy metals.

Take care.

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Can garlic actually mobilize metals?

I'm still unclear of it's effect on metals.

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Yes, it kills bacteria, it works on viral problems, it works on parasites who hold toxic metals in their coats, it wipes out fungi crated by the body to protect itself from metal destruction ---- all are involved in the toxic metal terrain. Too bad the metals are not sitting somewhere in hiding locked up in a little box! One hit and you've got them all. They form the basis of the toxic terrain throughout the body, in every compartment, including the brain, brainstem, and heart and nerves. If you kill one you get some of the others.

Search the internet!

Of course it helps to add in other agents that help with the job. Go here. It is the brain behind Biologo Detox which is right now only available in Europe. Let me assure you that there is never just one thing - the one pill - that will take care of all. Any chronic disease is caused by a multitude of factors. Once you understand that, you are way ahead of the game.

http://www.bioraynaturaldetox.com/articles-and-case-studies/published-articles.aspx

www.biologo-detox.com (more for info on different products and the areas they address, including Lyme)

Take care.

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Quite interesting.

Funny I didn't have a metal issue until I did a round of humaworm.

So clearly I killed parasites that released metals into my body.

Which explains high mercury/lead.

Thanks again GiGi. I've ordered 3 more bottles (shipping is expensive!)


What role can infrared Saunas have on metals?
They simply detox/sweat out metals that have been lodged away?

is it good to have a binder on hand when using saunas? Or just replenish with electrolytes afterwards?

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Gigi

YOu mentioned Rat Poison wording for a blood thinner. Which were you referring to? SOrry if I should know.

What blood thinners do you recommend besides the one you posted?

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So does anyone know the answer to the intracellular question?

As regards microbes, if our bugs are mostly intracellular and garlic does not get there then it won't be as effective as a killer. But....if its presence in the blood causes the bugs to hide out forever and not "do" anything....hey I'll take garlic forever!

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Inno-Vita Micro-Site works well on intracellulars.
Second day I took it it was interesting what was swimming in my urine !

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CD57,

I would imagine that Garlic doesn't send lyme runnin for the hills like abx's do.

Therefore I expect them to come out from hiding and be hit by garlic.

At least that's my thinking/hoping.

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www.healingcancernaturally.com/klinghardt-heavymetalchelation.html

Sorry, I wasn't looking when the garlic did its thing! Nobody has seen it in vivo - but it works.

Spring, the drug aka as rat poison is Warfarin.
I am not familiar any other agents. Wobenzyme works on that basis - same as Rechtsregulat. I have taken both during heavy die-off blood getting dark and sticky. Gone within days/hours/minutes with Rechts.

Take care.

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Thanks gigi,

Great article. I'm basically following it to a T.

saunas, colonics, chelex, electroyltes, supps, exercise, water, etc etc

I guess I should expect about 3-6 months of metal detox?

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It might be worth the 75 Euros to find out if your body even recognizes mercury, lead, nickel, copper etc. as toxic via Allergie-Immun.

Gigi mentioned that again when she bumped up this thread.

You can detox til the cows come home but if you have that issue (98% of everyone here doing AI did), your body might now know a mercury molecule from a bean sprout.

I was on Allergie Immun for 4-5 months before I felt metals on the move. Having finished after 11 rounds, there is no stopping them. They are leaving every day with no mobilizers, no chelators. I'm just mopping up all the time.

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