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Tincup
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This is what I saw.

A lonestar tick bite left a red mark about the size of a small peanut on light colored skin... and the red mark was slightly raised.

Around it.. about 2 inches out from the peanut.. is a medium blue colored circle.. but just the outline... and the blue circle is about 1/4 inch wide. (and the peanut sized red mark is in the center of the circle).

The blue circle is not raised... rather deep in skin.. and looks somewhat like the color of a light bruise or deep veins.

But there is a blue circle... with a clear center (other than the peanut sized red mark).

Anyone see anything like that before?

[Big Grin]

May it is in celebration of the 4th of July?

RED spot, WHITE skin, BLUE circle?

[Big Grin]

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LYMESCIENCE
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Picture picture, Let us see it.

Very intergruiging. We wants to see this rash!!

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breathwork
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Dear Tincup...

Absolutely....My last EM rash (reinfection, new bite) on the inside of my thigh was exactly as you described. I photographed it and sent it to Dr. S in SF for verification. He said that it was an EM...He also said that EM's can appear like a deep bruise as well as the red rings that seem to be more common....So, every bruise is not an EM..there needs to be a bite site and clearing between the bite area and the bruising rings....I wish I still had the photo to share..

Carol Ann

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greg
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For sure this is the work of the dreaded 4th of july tick (independenti scapularis).. ok maybe a little to much coffee this am,,lol


Mine was purple blue, and deep set, not raised..but i figured it was like that because it was between my fingers

Imagine them taking artistic licence, they prolly think its funny, ha..

Could it5 be different srains that do this, or maybe just skin pigment differences??

Im going to play with fireworks

greg

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Mine was how you describe:

Blue-purplish slightly raised ring, 1/4" wide encompassing a raised red-purple dot. There was about 1/2" of clearing between the dot and the blue ring.

It was located on my thigh and disappeared in about a week's time.

It was followed a few months later by 6 or 7 (some extremely large) oblong, well defined red rashes all over--back, chest, legs.

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Tincup
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Wow.. and I thought this might not be an EM... was hoping so! Good thing I checked with you all!

Lymescience said.. "Picture picture, Let us see it. Very intergruiging. We wants to see this rash!!"

That might just be a problem. Unless you are at least 7 ft. tall, weigh about 500 lbs.. and have the strength to hold someone down who can be as wild as a tornado if they have a mind to...

I seriously doubt you'll get them to drop their drawers and let you see their private parts.. even if it IS the 4th of July!

[Eek!]

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Breathwork..

Your info helped a lot! Nice to know it was confirmed too! Good back up for me to use. THANKS!!! Good to see you!

And I am still wondering how you managed to photgraph your own inner thigh? HA!

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Greg! Is that really you? NICE to see you!!! I am hoping you are doing better?

You said.. and I laughed out loud... "For sure this is the work of the dreaded 4th of july tick (independenti scapularis).. ok maybe a little to much coffee this am,,lol"

What ever it is you are smokin' .. I'll take some! HA!

I'm STILL laughing!

You said.. "Could it be different srains that do this, or maybe just skin pigment differences??"

Ya know.. I don't know for sure. I've seen several "bruise-like" EM rashes on folks with naturally dark skin.. but they were solid rashes.. not with the blue circle and clear center.

I've personally had known spider (brown recluse) bites in the past. The color of the bite site was a royal to deep blue... and one was on my finger, which was the bluer rash of the two.. and right where you described. So I don't know? Interesting thoughts though.

Could it be Lyme was in that spider that nailed me? Or could your tick bite been a spider bite?

I STILL believe Lyme is in the spiders that suck blood from other insects.. and they do it for a LIVING.. so why not?

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bp.. I smile to see you!

Interesting that the future rashes were so different than the original. I'd never thought about that before.

Thanks for letting me know!
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Bb contains a PKC inhibitor (genetic research). PKC inhibitors cause cell death. Tamoxifen is a man-made example of a PKC inhibitor...to specifically target estrogen dependent cells.

Bb likes the epithelial cells that line the blood vessels and lymph vessels. It likely is destroying those cells. Since it takes awhile for antibodies to form...our bodies have to respond in other ways.

My guess would be that many blood cells are being destroyed around the site to release iron (heme from hemaglobin) and oxygen to try to fight. No oxygen = appear blue, like our veins which contain de-oxygenated blood.

This could be equated to our bodies erecting a barrier around the site of the infection....or trying to.

Just a guess.

Some spider bite toxins block acetylcholine RECEPTORS. Bb would rather take the nutrients from us that we need to MAKE acetylcholine.

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A few weeks before I came down with Lyme symptoms 3 yrs. ago, I had a bluish/purple bite mark on the back of my upper thigh. It was about the size of a quarter.

My husband initially noticed it and was concerned. Since I've always been highly reactive to mosquitoe bites, I brushed it off as a bad bite and moved on because...I felt fine! It was only a month later when my body fell apart that I started piecing things together. That bite/rash did not really itch and persisted for 3 weeks or so.

When I started suspecting Lyme, of course, the mark was already gone. When I told my PCP about the bite, he suggested that it was probably a bruise. Like we don't know what bruises are when we're adults? [shake] So insulting! [Mad]

Wishing Wellness,
Jewl

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Hi Tincup,
About taking the picture - if you know this person well enough, or if someone does, then maybe he/she will let you take a picture as long as you promise to cut the finished picture real close to the rash so that you can't tell if it's on a butt or an arm.

I've done this before letting docs look at more personal type EM rashes. Try to have the person get a ruler and hold it up to the rash so you don't need to show the butt to get an idea of the size of the rash.

(Of course, it may be a little embarrasing holding a ruler up to one's butt, but a person's gotta do what a person's gotta do.

Then save the complete negative in case you ever need to use it for blackmail.

If you can get a doctor to do a punch biopsy and send it to MDL , that would give you more information. At least a few years ago they used to do PCRs on the rash and those seemed to be taken more seriously that PCRs on blood.

The only place at that time that would do an actual culture on a skin rash was New York Medical College, but I wasn't going up to those people for any reason no how, no way.

I have a feeling that you or someone else here might know of who else would do a culture now.

I'm in a rush now so haven't had time to do more than skim the responses here , which seem to be far more knowledgeable than I am.

But my specialty is worrying, so I worry that you should have evidence of this rash if the person needs to get treatment later.
Ellen

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