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SForsgren
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I'd like to challenge all of you to think about the fact that mold may be part of your health challenges as well. I was just recently tested for mold illness even though I have never seen mold at home or work and guess what? The mold antibodies were off the chart. So, it fortunately provides yet another area for me to cleanup and hopefully reap the benefits of doing so. However, it took me a long time to start thinking about it. I suggest that all of us think about it.... Read the Mold Warriors book and see if it resonates with you. Be well, Scott

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I agree with you 100% but have never been tested myself. Can you send me a private email to tell me where you were tested? I'm interested. I have a friend whose entire family has lyme. they are all very very ill and I often wonder if mold is a factor for them. I can smell the mold when I walk in the door. Knowing their carpet is very old and that they burn wood in their fireplace fairly often also makes me think mold could be a factor for them.
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Scott,

I had mold allergies for years which began when I was first treated for lyme disease in 1995. I don't know if lyme was a causative factor or just happened concurrently, but I have noted that many people both here and at a rheumatoid website I frequent suffer from allergies.

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I agree and say this often on here..Mold is also a neurotoxin and can wreck havoc with all systems of the body just as tick borne diseases can. Symptoms can be identical.

Home depot sells home test kits. You do the test and then pay to have it analyzed..Less expensive and less comprehensive than professionals but can detect the mold.

The culprit is frequently duct work but old homes can be harboring it from leaks that occured years ago. Or a previous owner fixed leaks and just covered over the damage..

Old homes with old carpet, drapes, wallpaper can also be an issue..We are soon to start ripping up some of ours since we have attacked other causes.

I would not rule out that lyme is often a co-factor. The Dr that authored the book that SF mentioned, pretty much was with tunnel vision on mold (only) with our daughter and time has proven that lyme and co-infections were also major players.

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My LLMD has thought mold could be on issue with me. But was not sure about testing for it. Would you please send me an email or pm about the testing?
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Scott,

I think Mold is a problem for us because of out weakened immune systems. We are more sensitive to everything and pick up everything under the sun. I think if we take care of the metals, parasites and bugs, the mold problems will take care of itself.

Be well,

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From one of my posts in April of this year:

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=042955#000000

Symptoms of Mycotoxin Exposure

Many fungi produce toxic metabolites called mycotoxins, many of which are neurotoxic. Over 100 species known to cause infection in humans.

Acute exposure:

Acute memory loss
Sinus problems
Flu like symptoms
Body aches and pains
Sore throats
Diarrhea
Generalized mailaise
Headache
Nose bleeds
Dermatitis
Multiple ANS
Symmetric arthritis of spinal joints and small joints of fingers

Chronic Exposure:

Immune suppression with all its consequences (lower proportion of CD3 T-lymphocytes
CFIDS
MCS
Fibromyalgia
Memory loss and multiple cognitive problems
Hair loss
Ovarian cysts and fibroids, fertility problems both male and female
Chronic sinusitis
Cancer (many mycotoxins are highly carcinogenic)
In Children: neurodevelopmental problems (autism, seizures, ADHD) and cancer
Fetal malformations and other problems
MS Like symptoms and CNS pathology
Parkinson like symptoms and CNS changes
Mood disorders
Uncontrolled emotions
Psychiatric presentation
Tingling, numbness vibrations (both inside head and extremities)
ANS symptoms
Human studies on infants: Ueno, 1980, Jacob etal, 1994) in Jan 17, 2005 in MMWR: cluster of fatal pulmonary hemorrhage and hemosiderosis
Animal studies: necrosis and hemorrhave within brain, thymus, spleen, intestine, heart, lung, lymph nodes, liver and kidney

Allergic symptoms:

Sinusitis
Cognitive and memory problems
Bronchitis
Asthma
Rhinitis
Conjunctivitis\
Urinay urgency
Blurry vision
Loss of visual contract (FACT)
Hypersensitivity pleumonitis

Treatment:

Indoor air quality inspection and culturing of organisms: leaky roofs, plumbing leaks, overflow from sinks and sewers, damp basement or crawl space, steam from shower or cooking, flooding, sprinkler spray hitting the house or underground flow of rain water, humidifiers, damp clothing or dryers exhaustin indoors

HEPA air filer in home

Avoidance (often means to move)

Klinghardt neurotoxin elimination protocol (most important: Freeze dried garlic, KMT microcurrent therapy and phospholipid exchange) www.neuraltherapy.com.

Desensitization (EPD, homeopathy, ART based techniques (NAET, EAV or EDS, APN allergy technique)

Intravenous protocols (Vit C 25-5 gms, glutathione 600-4500 mg, alpha lipoic acid 600 mg over l hour, Hepa Merz = ornithine aspartate, weekly ca-EDTA, nutritional IV's (Majid Ali)

Medical drug and others: chlorella, cholestyramine, betasitostero, reedgrass - and apple pectin, charcoal, propolis, ground flax seed and fiber for prevention of enterohepatic recirculation of toxins, fluconazole and other antifungals, nystatin

Recommended Literature

www.molddsurvivor.com
www.mold-help.org/stchybotrys chartarum.htm
www.gravenvironmental.com/background to molds
www.cal-iag.org/mold0107.htm.htm

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Scott, I also tested IgE + for a number of molds. What are you using for your "cleanup." I was on Cholestyramine for awhile but it didn't do much other than cork me up something fierce.
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Forsgren,

Is there an actual treatment for it or is the prescription to remove molds from the home?

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Any house with a swamp cooler is guaranteed to have mold.
Big problem with houses in Arizona. Especially the ones that the swamp cooler is coupled to the heater ducts...

Never walk into a house like that or a house with "moldy bread" smell...

Never buy or rent a house with a swamp cooler installed.
Mold is very difficult to remove.. One cup of bleach in one gal of water will kill mold but is hard to use....

I am very allergic to molds. I can't even go to a zoo as zoos are filled with mold and spores...

A motel with moldy tiles in the bath room freaks me out...

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Scott, it may be that the mycotoxins (maybe bioengineered? maybe not) that borrelia sheds, cause either or both: anergy to fungus, leading to inability to clear it effectively (depending on your genetics)...and/or, excessive reactivity to the fungus you can't clear (a kind of so-called autoimmunity).

I got my first tickbite at 21 but did not realize it for many many years...it was shortly after that I began to have candida and mold problems. I probably have the genetics for hypersensitivity to mold but don't really want to test.

What is most interesting to me personally is testing the methylation cycle, per the DAN! doctors and Amy Yasko, to see where genetic vulnerabilities are and to correct them. Chelation is then easier. With metals out, all therapies are more beneficial. It's a long process, though.

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All -

I am glad to see this thread generate some interest.

I have been sick for almost 10 years. Just learned about the Lyme a year ago and have treated it pretty well I think. Just learned about the mold recently. My main point is that by sharing this information hopefully someone else won't have to wait so long to get the pieces of the puzzle in support of their own healing journey.

I was tested with the IgG and IgE mold test from www.esoterix.com. Very interesting results.

I am in the process of testing for mold now in my living environment. It will be interesting to see what it says.

I agree with the statement that Dr. S is on the extreme end of the mold issue and I don't agree with his perspective so much on the Lyme side of things, but he has some useful things to think about that we can all integrate on our own. We don't have to agree with everything that he suggests.

GiGi's comments are all right on. I agree with all of them.

I am doing:

1) Air filtration AND Propolair Bee Propolis Vaporizer
2) Chlorella
3) Nizoral nasal spray

Then in a month, we add Amphotericin B or Nystatin for digestive mold and then Sporonax or Diflucan. Part of the Dr. V. M. protocol.

If molds show in my living space, moving may be indicated.

All just another part of the puzzle, but over time, the puzzle nearly completes itself... [Smile]

Be well!

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Hey Scott

Just a quick thought. I turned my air conditioning on in my car the other day and I could smell a mildew smell. This is the first time I noticed this.

You may want to test your car and air conditioning system as well for mold. Not sure length of time in mold exposure is critical?

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Good idea. Thanks

Sending this back to the top as I think it is IMPORTANT and OVERLOOKED.

Be well

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So maybe one of the reasons diflucan works so well in improving symptoms is that it is ridding mold from our bodies as well. Our llmd has said it is pretty broad spectrum, cleaning all kinds of debris from our system.
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Let me try to explain the possible connection between lyme infection and resulting mold sensitivities, per Kathleen Dickson's viewpoint, in a public posting dialogue I had with her a while back.


I asked her in a post:
Kathleen, in a previous post you note that lyme infection leads to
incompetence to fungal organisms. You know that is my history. Is the fungal incompetence specifically linked to lyme, or must you be genetically vulnerable for that to manifest, and otherwise would you manifest incompetence to other specific organisms depending on your genetics.
Strep impairs dpp4 enzyme. Also, is it possible fungal organisms were also included in the tick vector when bioweaponized, that's something
nobody has ever wondered about. We know burgdorfer found six organisms including microfilarial worms back when he identified b. burgdorferi,
but he only identified that one publicly as the main pathogen.


Kathleen's answer:

It appears to be a little of both and we can't/aren't allowed to know which contributes to what degree. UCONN's Justin Rafolf found that people who are exposed to chronically
shed lipoproteins, like those from mycos (fungi, like leprosy and pneumonia) and the Lyme lipoproteins (which are fungal in origin) have a condition where they become TOLERIZED to these, and the HLA molecules downregulate,
Or, we no longer make antibodies to them.
That means, when you come across a new fungal lipoprotein, you will have an inadequate immune response. Mycoplasmas are intracellular
and screw up red cell function, probably rendering people weakened from the hijacking of hemoglobin.
Mark Klempner found that people who have more severe forms of Lyme, leprosy, MS, Lupus, narcolepsy, etc, have the same genetic
background- HLA-DQB1 *0602. It appears that we haven't the information as regards the relatedness
of these two mechanisms. If DQB1*0602 is associated with immune incompetence
independent from the tolerization, we know that that incompetence is associated with HLA kinetics.
In other words, people with Steere's haplotype, bind more tightly, OspA, make too many antibodies, and more recently we learned from Bridgette Huber, that OspA is a superantigen for these people.
That means TOXIN, and it means that OspA "BINDS" the HLA molecule, rather than simple presents it.
If you look at the second video I made, I tried to demonstrate all this.
http://actionlyme.org/CLINTON_CONF_II_MARKERS_OF_DISEASE.wmv
We don't know if the TLR-HLA Antigen presenting molecules downregulation described by Justin Radolf happens independently of HLA.

Since Plum Island has always worked with mycoplasmas and borrelia. Bb acquired fungal/mycoplasmal lipoproteins, somehow.
We don't know what people are infected with, and we are not allowed to know because of the biopweapons potential in vector borne diseases.
That's why Mark Klempner was made the head of the CDC bioweapons lab in Boston.
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My point being, and I think Kathleen is as usual on to something, that some of us get serious mold issues BECAUSE of above. Fix the lyme, and mold wont bother you anymore.

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The CDC reported that fungal infections are the 4th most common cause of bloodstream infections.

Another item of interest,

A study of pillows found 10 identifiable species of fungi in the pillows. Thats why hospitals use
plastic covers.

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I read where in ancient Jewish culture, if any kind of mold was found inside a home, the house was BURNED TO THE GROUND.

Sounds like they knew what they were doing back then.

Tracy

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I am suffering big time here in my house.
My parents really dont care.

I found a dark green air filter in my furnace and I wiped the inside of the vents with a rag and it came out black.

I went to the diner tonight to read a book because I couldnt stand being in this house any longer. There is mold all throught this house.
Especially in the kitchen where the vent is closest to the filter.

My eyes are burning my throat is sore my ears hurt im tired and depressed.

I was feeling fine just before I came back into this house.

Im so freeking allergic to the mold in my house.
I cant believe it.

Im trying to figure out a way to move! I wish they would just do the repairs that were needed on this house.

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by the way it seems like anti-histamines just dont cut it anymore.

I can take 2 or 3 different kinds and nothing to not much.

I dont really get stuffed up just very dry!
As a kid and teen my sinuses would always get stuffed up.

The homeopathic mold drops used to work WONDERS about 6 years ago. O O if I only knew.

Now im even sensitive to the alcohol in them.

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up for me to answer tomorrow! came home tonight from allergy specialist, Dr. Kroker in LaCrosse, Wisc.

I'm now an offical MOLD ALLERGY MEMBER too; uffda

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From all the research I have done on molds, there are three ways to react:
1. Allergy to mold or molds.
2. A colonization or infection with mold.
3. Toxic effects from mold.

Obviously, if you have more than one of these at a time, it gets worse. Once you have a colonization, there is no way to escape the allergy or the toxins.

Depending on HOW mold is impacting you, you may need to treat in different ways. The most important thing is always to clear mold from your environment!

If you have an allergic or a toxic reaction to mold, the only method that works is direct removal. Any method that kills the mold, or breaks it down will leave the mycotoxins in your environment. NOT what you need.

The same thing is true if you have an infection. If you are also reacting in an allergic or toxic way, you need to remove the toxins from your body. Just taking antifungals is not enough for those people that have the genetics that prevent them from removing the toxins.

You need binders. For me, cholestyramine was the only one that worked. It may be due to many years of mold exposure, along with Lyme treatment. For others, some of the other binders might work. But if you have trouble with the mycotoxins, you need help getting them out.

I think people with Lyme are more susceptoble to molds, as the Lyme has already triggered the inflammatory pathway that mold can also trigger. Vice versa, if you have had trouble with molds, you may have more trouble with Lyme. Once these pathways for inflammation are turned on in the body, it is hard to get them turned off again.

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Riversinger,

I agree with your points here. Having just had Esoterix tests with very high IgG for Aspergillus, it leads to the question - what does one do next? The approach that my dr is using is antifungal nasal spray, antifungal gut preparations, and systemic antifungals. So how does one now if the antibodies are a colonization or just an external factor? For example, I can have IgG to tree pollen and those are not colonizing in the body. I am not entirely clear on how one tells the difference. Thanks

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Has anyone used HBO for Mold exposure? My Ige was + for a umber of molds and I'm trying to persue ths avenue but can't find data to present to the HBO ctr.
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Scott, according to Dr. VM, who I spoke to at the beginning of my treatment, there are a few factors to consider in deciding if there is colonization.

He believes molds are primarily opportunistic, and mostly colonize on mucous membranes and broken skin surfaces. So, the sinuses, mouth, lungs, GI tract, ears, and any broken skin surfaces are the most likely places.

He uses the IgG antibodies, which you had done, and then looks for symptoms. So with the sinuses, you look for swelling, inflammation, pain, discharge, etc. It would look like a sinus infection at its worst.

In the lungs it can look like asthma or bronchitis. GI will have gut pain, bloating, diarrhea or contipation, foul stools, etc.

The antibodies by themselves are not enough to indicate infection, just exposure. IF you do have an infection with aspergillosis, consider Sporanox. If I remember correctly, it is more targeted for aspergillosis. It also concentrates in the skin and mucous membranes, so it is a good oral for the lungs and sinuses. But don't go by my memory, look it up.

The problem is, that with your gene type, the dead molds are going to cause you just as much trouble as the live ones. This is IF you actually have a colonization.

I did treat with Sporanox in the beginning of my illness, before I even knew I had Lyme. Sporanox did help with the sinus infection and the chronic lung problems that I had. But we didn't know to treat the toxins that were left over, and it took me a couple of more years to figure that out.

The doc you are seeing is using a mix of several different protocols. That is fine, if there is a reason to do each seperate piece. But if they are just being used as a shotgun approach, I would back up and think it through.

As far as using the chlorella, I would be sure to recheck your MMP-9, Leptin, and VEGF to see if they improve after treating. These are the markers for inflammation, and they will tell you if the chlorella is working. It didn't, for me, but cholestyramine did.

You have to take the anti-fungals for many months to kill an established colonization. Even just to get toenail fungus they expect you to take Sporanox for eight months. The antifungals only work while the spore is sprouting, so you have to keep a blood level high enough to get all the spores that hang out in the blood.

Hope that helps!

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this may have been mentioned above, didn't read all the comments tonight....

www.missionallergy.com

toll free 1.877.662.5537

Allergy self-help guide 2005 has a lot of good info in it about all of this and MOLD cover protectors for box spring/mattress/pillows, special comforters, etc.

It stated that studies show CLEANING AIR/HEATING DUCTS DOES NOT make any difference if mold is present in the house! I was going to have ours done, but not now.

Ordering the special dehumidifiers especially in the basement.

Oh, Dr. Kroker, LaCrosse, Wisc. allergy specialist, put me on ANTIGEN DROPS made up for the specific allergies you have! Put 3 drops under your tongue daily when you chose to but especially at bed time!

LaCrosse is 1 of 3 possibility in the USA doing this type of work. I met one woman from the ND/Canada border, and a Mom/son from Florida allergic to peanuts and 1 MD there is only MD in USA who deals with peanut allergies!

I'm allergic to 12 different molds!; grass, pollen, trees, ragweed, and dustmites!

Had blood test for gast/mold allergy; results later.

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Gigi, I think,
listed 4 sites to visit but I noticed the first one is misspelled; Gigi, can you change that to MOLD vs. NOLD so we can click on the correct link? thanks so much!

Up for more answers to my comments, etc.

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I am so disgusted currently..sorry..Need to vent..

I just returned from the shore and cleaning for my 90 year old mother..With one last check I walked into her spare bedroom and my sock was wet..

I immediately opened her air conditioning closet in the apartment and it had over a half an inch of water..I then noticed it had wicked under the carpet and into her extra clothes and storage closet..

Later I saw the same thing was now happening to the baseboard in the living room..

The maintenance guy was there immediately and they even called a carpet cleaner..But I had already seen all of the wonderful species of mold and she has a respiratory and heart condition..

I tried to beg her to come up with us until all was clean to no avail..So I go to the store and buy what I can for some half butt results.

Stubborness runs in the family..But now I will have to keep doing the 2 hour drive to get it right..

The cause..Her air conditioning units was clogged..JUST routine maintenance would have prevented this..

I am throwing everything out that I possibly can..Just told her to not look .

NOW I am going to try a CSM cocktail so I do not get worse..I smell it on my skin..And already have a biddy of a headache..

There is only one thing that I hate almost as much as lyme disease and that is MOLD.

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Im just starting to read the Mold warriors book.

has anyone gone to see the author of the book?

It would be a 3.5 hr drive for me.

Im at a loss as to a dr who could test or treat for this that is closer to home.

Im starting to notice i feel a lot better out of the house.

I have a mold test kit and will be sending it in for testing this week.

thanks for your help.

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But to think what nobody has thought yet, About what everybody sees."

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If I had a mold problem, I would resort certainly to the New Silver Solution the product I posted about a few days ago.

"The product has been tested against Black Mold and has been shown to effectively kill it. Use the silver solution in a nebulizer for 5-10 minutes three or four times daily. If you detect the mold growing in your house or office, spray the silver solution on the mold to thoroughly soak it. Tests showed that the product killed Black Mold in just minutes."

To effectively deal with mold/fungi, one will have to get rid of the excess heavy metals. All are part of the total body eco-system.

Take care.

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Here is more on Mold from my file collection"

Many Fungi produce toxic metabolites called mycotosins, many of which are neurotoxic. Over 100 species known to cause infection in humans.

Three classifications of infection:

1. Systemic (by inhalation): in healthy individuals self limited illness; in immune suppressed individuals may disseminate (generally fatal).
Example: Histoplasmosis, Coccidioidomycosis and Paracoccidioidomycosis, Blastomycosis

2. Oopportunistic infection (common in Lyme and as a result of heavy metal toxicity): Facultative parasites - can use living and dead substrates for nutrition.

Example:
Stachybotrys
Candida
Aspergillus
Mucor
Cladosporium (most commonly found genus of fungi in outdoor air in temperate climates' refrigerators and moist window frames, doscolors interior paint, textiles and paper, soil of over-watered house plants, sprulates heavily with buoyant spores, together with Alternaria causes hay fever and asthma)
Rhizopus
Cryptococcus
Fusarium Graminaerum: in water damaged carpets, often found in schools, also in cereals.

3. Dermatophytes (hair, skin and nails). Usually contracted by direct contact through sharing grooming utsensils, showers, and towels). Also passed on via soil.

Mycotoxins:

Aspergillus and penicillum species produce:

Aflatoxin
Sterigmatocytin
Ochratoxin

Stachybotrys species and fusarium produce (worst is probably stabybotyreis chartarum - greenish-black fungus that grows on fiberboard, gypsum/dry-wall, dust and lint, wallpaer, insurlation, particleboard, water damaged wood. The spores are not destroued in fi9re. Spores gravitate to floor: even finding one airborne spore often indicates "lost cause");

Satraoxins

Tricothecince )extremely potent): Several subtypes of macrocytic tricothecenes; stachybotryolactone, verrucarin J, roridin E, satratoxin F, G & H, sporidesmin G, trichoverrols and trichoverrins, 9-ohenylspirodrimanes (cyclosporins & spirolactams)

T-2 toxin
Vomitoxin
Fumonisin
Zearalenone

Numerous other mycotoxins produced by these and other fungi of which the health effects remain unknown.

Living in Seattle (yes, it rains here all the time - we have had sweltering heat for weeks now) we use the "Propolis Vaporizer" in the bedrooms of our house and in the locations where we spend many hours. It is most pleasant and very effective for molds. It is very helpful to people suffering from asthma. Just do a search on the Internet. Biopure carries them - one type for the house and a smaller model for the car.

Take care.

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riversinger, I too see Dr. VM.

In that vein, I tested highly allergic to all molds (Dr. said he rarely sees a profile so high.) I'm pursuing EPD (enzyme potentiated desensitization) with him for both my mold and food allergies. I get a shot in each arm every two months (3 times so far). If you're interested in EPD and do research on the internet, be aware that Dr. VM was trained by the originator (forget the name) and he used a very simple protocol unlike the complex protocols I read about on the internet.

I also use Nizoral nose spray. I'm not taking any antifungals in pill form.

I just came off a 3 month 5-day rotation diet because my food allergies have improved dramatically after 5 months of tx. Dr. VM didn't think I needed to be on the rotation diet but one of my LLMDs highly suggested it.

Also, really critical to the mold allergy tx is avoiding moldy food which are not all the foods I would have guessed. Here's a list:

Aged cheese
Mushrooms (although I still use Cordyceps and Coriolus)
Leftover more than 24 hours old
Over-ripe fruits and veg
Breads
Tomato Products
Beer
Wine and Wine Vinegar
Most liquors (as if!)
Multi-B Vitamins (use synthetic B vitamins to avoid mold)
Processed Meats esp if not solid
Hamburger more than 24 hrs after grinding
Products of aspergillus fermentation: soy sauce, chocolate, black tea, malt extract, lactaid, citric acid, fruit juice - commercial, digestive enzymes (Karuna DuoZyme and Creon 20 by rx ok), colesterol lowering enzymes.

When I get a little bit of moldy food (e.g. eat raspberries from a basket that has one moldy raspberry in it) mold rash breaks out on my hand - I'm colonized - however this is a great improvement from the rashes I got around my eyes before I started this protocol. My poor hubby was afraid someone would think he'd hit me; I looked that bad and it was itchy and uncomfortable to boot.

The idea of treating the allergies is to free up my immune resources for killing Bb etc.

Hope all that is of help to someone out there!
Denise

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Doctor H. here in CA wanted to test me for Mold but it is a 1000.00 test and he said he would rather treat me for it, which is much cheaper. in addition to my abx he added Cholestyramine "Questran" and a supplement called Artemisinin. I have felt much better, but not sure if my herx just ended or if the Questran is helping.
Good Luck,
CB

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