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mceline
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Does anyone know if there is any way to test for presence of spirochetes in ocular tissue?

Or if there is any research to that effect?

Or any llmd's that may have familiarity in this area?

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Don't know who does this, but here are a few studies:

1) spirochetes observed in vitreous fluid

Cytologically proven seronegative Lyme choroiditis and vitritis. *Schubert HD, Greenebaum E, Neu HC. Retina. 1994;14(1):39-42. *(Edward S. Harkness Eye Institute, New York, New York.)

RESULTS: Intravitreal spirochetes consistent with Borrelia burgdorferi were found in this seronegative patient.

http://tinyurl.com/yldrn3


2) PCR testing

Ocular Lyme Borreliosis Diagnosed by Polymerase Chain Reaction on Vitreous Fluid. Eileen Hilton, MD; Candace Smith, PharmD; and Sunil Sood, MD Annals of Internal Medicine Sep 1996, 125(5):424-425.

"Because of visual deterioration during the next 6 months, vitrectomy was done on the patient's right eye. Culture of vitreous fluid was negative, but B. burgdorferi DNA was detected by PCR."

http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/full/125/5/424-b

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John292
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I know that for the past 4 weeks I have had itchy eye lids, swollen lids, pin pricks in my eyes and a sty. The salt and Vita-C protocol is driv'n them right out of my eyes, wel at least from around my eyes.

The eyes are a very common place for them to end up.

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My brain is working better!!

Feeling very good now [Smile]

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Kayda
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John,

How much Salt/C did you take when you noticed that happening? How long have you been at that level?

I'm at 3 doses per day 1/4tsp. real salt with Vit. C.

Kayda

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i want help
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i have bad eye problems as well and am not familiar with this protocol and am happy to try ANYTHING
have terrible floaters etc etc
could someone elaborate on this protocol?
thanks
kristin

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Mary V
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This Yahoo forum deals with the salt/c protocol.
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/lymestrategies/
Also this web link describes a little of this protocol.
http://www.lymephotos.com/index.shtml
Mary V

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I have been drinking Ultra mangosteen juice for a couple months. It's one brand of mangosteen juice. There are lots of brands, which can be found at healthfood stores, online and one a strong multilevel-marketed juice.

It's a strong anti-inflammatory and anti-oxidant. It took down eye symptoms for me immediately. It's a detoxer so we also need to drink a lot of water with it. Well people drink up to 5 or 6 ounces a day. I have drunk up to half a bottle a day(16 ounces).

Currently, drinking the mangosteen juice is the only thing that's saving my eyes.

[ 13. January 2007, 07:49 PM: Message edited by: Robin123 ]

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2 members you might check with are:

ICESKATER and KAM, both may have posts originated by them in general, so look there in order to pm, private message, them. good luck. [Big Grin]

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All that connects is a optic nerve, the bb hides there then sometimes returns in some lyme patients when they think there well and get off abx.
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I have wavy vision (for the past 5 years). About a week ago I developed a flashing light in my right eye that hasn't gone away. I got checked to make sure it's not a detached retina- it's not. It seems to be just another thing to add to the list! argh.
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Visual Afterimage Man
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The visual stuff is terrible. But then again, every symptom is terrible.

I have always said, that I can handle the knee pain... but leave the neuro stuff out please. When you can't see... it's a bit scary.

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It does affect the eyes in so many ways. I am improving with treatment.

I am laying here trying to recall all the ways my eyes have been affected.

My mind does not want to go there right now.

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I AM SO GRATEFULL FOR THE INFO I HAVE FOUND HERE

REGARDING THE SALT/VITAMIN C! I AM STARTING THIS

IMMEDIATELY AND WOULD BE HAPPY TO SHARE MY

HAPPENINGS WITH ANYONE WHO WANTS INFO AFTER AN

INITIAL COUPLE MONTHS OF THIS TREATMENT. I AM

GOING OFF MY ANTIBIOTICS (after 3 years)

TOMORROW AND AM PLANING TO GO

ON A VACATION SO NOW IS THE PERFECT TIME FOR ME

TO TRY THIS. WISH ME LUCK!!!! GOD BLESS ALL MY

LYMEY COUNTERPARTS!!!!

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Does anyone know of LLMD that may be able to determine what role lyme may or may not have in serious retina problems?
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quote:
Originally posted by mceline:
Does anyone know of LLMD that may be able to determine what role lyme may or may not have in serious retina problems?

Hi Celine,

I sent you a Private Message. Just click the icon with the two people and envelope above your post.

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John292
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quote:
Originally posted by Kayda:
John,

How much Salt/C did you take when you noticed that happening? How long have you been at that level?

I'm at 3 doses per day 1/4tsp. real salt with Vit. C.

Kayda

I started out at 4gms of REAL SALT and C per day. An eye stye showed up after 8 weeks. I started at that level because I felt that my body had already clean-out some of the bugs.

Now I am useing hot and cold compresses, wash clothes in big baggie, refirged and one nuked, I alternate hot and cold for 3 minutes each. This really help to get the blood flowing in the eye area.

The lyme likes the eyes because of the low blood flow. It is one of the hardest places to clean out.

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Nov-08 NutraMedix, BurBur Pinella WORKS, Japanese Knotweed, d-Lenolate, ALC, Was on Salt/C 1.5 yrs ended in 06
My brain is working better!!

Feeling very good now [Smile]

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Can you do this salt/ vit c when your on antibiotics?

I am into my 5th month on abx?

What do the llmd say about this treatment?

Lyme4

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They make antibiotics *especially* to go in eyes and LLMDs do know about them, I would make sure to address this with your doc!!!!!!!!

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