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D Bergy
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Here is the log of my wife's treatment results using Samento Cumanda and Rife. It is quite long but gives a good overveiw on what can be expected in the process. It also includes my opinions. Please do not confuse my opinions with facts. I am not a healthcare provider and much of our regimen is experimental.

D Bergy


Lyme treatment results so far. 05-08-06
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These are the results so far in my wifes battle against Lyme disease. She has not been diagnosed with Lyme by a physician. She had a Deer tick attached to her and had the redness at the site, fever, and later joint pain. Despite seeing two general practicioners and detailing her obvious Lyme symptoms they were of the mistaken opinion that she does not have Lyme. Apparently these symptoms were deemed as spontainious and they wanted her to see a reumatologist. At this point we realized that if we wanted to get rid of the disease we were going to have to do it ourselves. Quite frankly, if they are that ignorant about the disease, we are probably better suited to do it ourselves anyway.

She has been rotating between Samento and Cumanda for about two months. The rotation is changed when she has reached 15 drops of either and she is getting little or no Herx from the dosage.
When she had a large kill off in the beginning she did get a Lyme rage that did not last long. She did not understand her strange reaction and I did not know what it was until later on. Then when I realized what it was we knew it was in her brain also.

She has lost her arthritis pain which was constant before treatment. She now can only feel it when a large kill off occurs. The large kill offs seem to trigger both Lyme rages and Arthritis like joint pain. Both leave after the body has rid itself of the toxins.

She also has had a couple of sinus infections and we used a GB-4000 frequency sets 715 and 716 Sinusitis primary and secondary to drain the sinuses and the relief was immediate and also seemed to cause a slight Herx. After comparing frequencies for sinus infections and Lymes I noticed some of the frequencies were close to the same. I am assuming this is what caused the slight herx.

Two days ago we decided to try the GB-4000 in between the switch from Samento to Cumanda. The kill off was large as judged by symptoms. She also had a Lyme rage and flu like symptoms including achy joints and mouth sores. This is the first time mouth sores have been experienced. During the session she could feel joint pain on and off. Also had "hits" on the side of her face. The hits on the face were in the same area of where Bell's Palsy takes place. There seems to be a connection between the two. This is the opinion of others that I agree with from experience.

The Herx symptoms could have been minimized if she would have taken Burbur but she decided not to. I think she will take it next time! We used an older standard frequency set of 466 for Lymes. We did not run the secondary frequency set of 467 because we did not want to overwhelm her body with too much kill off. Some may wonder if the Rife device just made her ill and would make anyone ill but I have run the same frequencies on myself with no effects. Thousands have done this so we are not breaking new ground here.

My opinions on what is happening is that the Lyme quickly adapts to whatever treatment you use. We switch when it seems to quit working instead of a particular time frame. I also believe that the Rife device blows the heck out of Lyme. The reaction we got with the device has not been experienced since we first started the Samento. The Rife device seems to get to the spirochetes in the brain with little difficulty. These are opinions only, not facts. Based on our experience I am of the opinion that the three way rotation of Samento Cumanda and a quality Rife device can really help clean up the body of Lyme.

I am hoping to eradicate the Lyme altogether. I know the current thinking is that this is not possible. However the current thinking also is that Rife devices are quackery. My experience tells me that they are a powerful tool for many ailments. I believe they are a threat to the established but inferior treatments of today. Keep in mind that frequency therapy would cost almost nothing if used in scale. Rife type devices are experimental with no known side effects. They are not to be used for other purposes other than experimentation. I do not recommend them for the treatment of any illness. Only a qualified health professional can do that. Good Luck finding that "qualified health professional".

We used the GB-4000 in its default mode. Square wave
with carrier frequency 90 duty cycle. Nothing fancy.

This is only our experience and opinions on an experimental Lyme regimen. Use at your own risk.


Re: Lyme treatment results so far. 08-23-06

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We are using all of the sets from the manual and also the other frequencies that are in the CAFL. We also run Babesia frequencies. The first time we ran the Babesia frequencies she almost had to stop they caused so much discomfort. The resulting Herx was not any fun either.

We are lucky in that my wife seems to feel every useful frequency although I can not think of a good reason why she does. I once ran some new frequencies one by one out of the CAFL. One out of the ten I ran gave her no discomfort. I wondered why that one frequency did not make her uncomfortable. I double checked the frequencies against the others in the GB Manual and sure enough the one that did not bother her was one we had been running for quite awhile in another frequency set. I then knew how accurate her reactions were to the frequencies.

Now when we run the Babesia frequencies she cannot feel them and has no Herx the next day like she used to. Also the Lyme frequencies have less of a reaction than earlier. She really is alot better than she was in my first report. She did get some joint pain back after long sun exposure which can happen for some reason. That is going away slowly. All the Lyme frequency sets seem to work to one degree or another. We almost always run eight at a time so I cannot single out any in particular.

We did run some of Jeff Sutherland's frequencies but got no reaction from any of them so we do not use them anymore.

It seems to me that the published sets do a real good job on there own. Lyme can come in several different strains so our results may be better or worse than another persons. We also caught it relatively early. My wifes strain seems to be the one that can cause arthritis.

Just the other day we ran the primary parasite frequency set for the first time. We are planning on running one parasite set with the Lyme sets when we run them. Currently we are running them every three or four days and will be doing it even more frequently now that we think we have it on the ropes. We also are no longer using the Samento or Cumanda as the Rife is working better and does not seem to chase the Lyme into dormancy. It is strickly a frequency treatment now so any results good or bad can be credited to the method.


Re: Lyme treatment results so far. 08-27-06

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Just ran the following frequencies on my wife for her Lymes. Ran them for two minutes each at the full ten watts max for the GB-4000. Ran them randomly a second time for two minutes each

Lyme_4 (borrelia afzellii) - 387500

Lyme_5 (borrelia burgdorferi) - 380000

Lyme_6 (borrelia garinii) - 382000

She had some joint pain with all the frequencies and tingling feet. Basically I think anything that was swollen had a reaction. Her joints quite often hurt when Lyme frequencies are run. Lyme supposedly collects in the large joints. Before we ran any frequencies her ankles were bothering her. The ankles are the worst joints in her case.

The least amount of reaction was with the 380000. She only had some pain the second time I ran it. Not much discomfort.

387500 made her knee hurt alot the first time and hip and ankle joints the second time around. Most painful frequency.

382000 made different joints hurt off and on both times. Seemed to be the second most painfull frequency.

I do not know what it all means but I am assuming that 389500 & 382000 are most likely valid Lyme frequencies at least for her particular strain. 380000 may or may not be for her strain, but the reaction was slight in our case.


Re: Lyme treatment results so far. 10-27-06

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We have not been doing any treatments whatever for about a month. After she had a bad cold with a high fever she has had no symptoms of her Lyme. It seems that the high fever had a dramatic effect on the Lyme Disease.

We are going to try another frequency treatment soon just to see if she reacts but we have been terribly busy lately and have not got around to it yet. I will post after that is done.

I doubt she is rid of it completely but she has progressed very well with the GB-4000. The fever thing should be explored by some Lyme doctors.


Updated Lyme Report.01-19-07

My wifes Lyme symptoms came back after about six weeks after the high fever. Her symptoms now just consist of occasional joint pain mostly in the ankles.
We are running the standard frequency sets in the CAFL and a few others we have collected from various sources. Treatment results in more joint pain during treatment with complete resolution of pain by morning. We always run frequencies in the evening.

Her Lyme Disease seems to have became more active in the late fall which seems to correspond with the seasonal aspect of it. After we had some weeks with no joint pain she started taking two good multivitamins along with Curcummin and Ginger. I was worried she was getting stripped of minerals since she had not been supplimenting at all. I also was worried the Lyme was going dormant again. Our new goal is to goad out the Lyme into spirochete form so we can destroy it faster. Our goal is to erradicate it all together. I do not think this is impossible, just a matter of time and consistanty. As long as we keep killing it during it's spirochete form during that part of it's life cycle we should be able to keep reducing it's presence into nonexistence.

After a couple of weeks of supplimentation the Lyme seems to be responding by becoming more active again. I do not know if it is the additional vitamin D or additional Magnesium that is activating it. I am just pleased that we were apparently successful in controling its actions.
We ran individual frequencies from "Doug" of Doug Coil fame. He found these early in his experimentation and resolution of Lyme Disease. We ran 306, 612, 1224 all frequencies are in Hz. 306 and 612 were more effective as judged by joint and nerve pain. As is always the case now, there was only joint pain resolution with no Herx reaction. We take this as a good sign that the bacterial load is greatly reduced since we started. She has a completly normal life with no restrictions induced by the Lyme Disease. The joint pain is resolved by frequency treatment by the next day. I am glad, in retrospect, that we were forced to treat this on our own. It is so much better than being on the antibiotic roller coaster. A few months and we are in control of the disease, not the other way around.


Updated Lyme Report.03-08-07

My wife only experiences occasional joint pain now with no other symptoms. She functions normally and has plenty of energy, works 50+ hours a week with no difficulty. She also has no Herx reactions anymore. Just resolution of joint pain. I now believe we are past the worst of the Lyme and are just trying to eliminate it altogether. This will take some time, and we may try some additional frequency modalities to accelerate the proccess. But, for now we will stick with what is working and see what happens. I think the main threat now is to become complacent and not treat enough and allow the Lyme to re-establish itself. It will take some discipline to keep on a schedule. As the Lyme is reduced, the joint pain may not be present even though the Lyme may still be present in lesser amounts.

When joint pain gets bothersome we treat running past Lyme frequencies listed in our Rife machine manual and other sources. We usually run eight frequencies at a time. Sometimes we run the single frequencies of 306,612, and also sweep them. They always seem to get hits. We rotate the frequencies to keep treatment time under an hour. We also are using the "channel sweep" function most of the time. Channel sweep varies the selected frequencies above and below the target frequency. This is done in case mutation has occured or the original listed frequency is slightly off. It appears to work as the reactions of increased joint pain during treatment is consistant with running the strait frequencies. As always, joint pain is gone the next day after treatment. Treatments are usually every two weeks as this is about when joint pain starts reoccuring. I think every two weeks is a good general schedule whether joint pain is experienced or not. We do not want to lose ground now that we are in the last phase of treatment.


I will mention that throughout this whole process we always used the most logical methods known to us at the time.

Our criterea for treatment was simple. We used the best methods available to us that had no known side effects. I was skeptical about the Cumanda because I could find out little about it. This was the only time I was a little concerned about the treatment protocol.

I always used whatever treatment my wife used to make sure her reactions were from Lyme irradication and not an adverse treatment to the treatment itself.

In no case did I experience any reaction to her treatment.

My wife has had no adverse reactions other than those from Herx or joint pain which are expected with any effective treatment.

Rife therapy made sense mainly because its premise of destroying or disabling Lyme bacteria in spirochete form is reproducable. It also is supported by many actual success stories. I do not care if it is an "official" treatment, only if it works. The disease does not recognise whether the treatment is "official" or not, Why should we base our decision on such a political designation?

It also makes "horse sense" that a treatment that is completly foriegn to the bacteria has a better chance of working since the bacteria are completely unfamiliar with its nature. Bacteria have no frequency threats in nature so what are the odds of it having any defense mechanism against a frequency?

We always used treatment that had worked well for other actual long term Lyme patients and built upon their information. There is little need to reinvent the wheel when there are so many that have either vastly improved or have resolved all symptoms long term.

Keep it simple stupid (KISS) Keep the treatment to the basics, as much as possible. If you are doing many different treatment methods at once it is nearly impossible to tell what is working. I have developed this conclusion over time. A persons natural reaction is to "blast with both barrels" throwing the kitchen sink at the disease. The problem is nothing is learned in the process. If the kitchen sink method does not work you have no clue what part of your kitchen sink was defective. You may discard an important part of an effective treatment because it was not compatible with the rest.
No one has all the answers to Lyme Disease, and anyone that claims to is a liar. You will undoubtably, have to learn much along the way.

Do not get married to your treatment you are using today. If your long term progress is not improving, why keep doing it? One definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing you always have done, and expecting different results.
We use Rife Therapy because it is working. If it comes to the point where the long term outcome is not progressing we will look at other options.
As long as a method of treatment is working stick with it. Conversly, it makes no sense to stick with any method that does not bring long term improvement.

You need to distinguish symptom suppression from irradication. I believe the Samento and Cumanda killed Spirochetes, but, it also caused symptom suppression which may make you feel better short term, but the Lyme seemed to be able to hide from it. We started out using Samento and Cumanda with some Burber to enhance detox. These worked very well in the beginning. As the Lyme adapted and was less affected by these natural antibiotics we knew this was not a long term solution. Antibiotics can only work where there is a good blood supply. How can it get into the deep tissue where the Lyme hides?

With the information I have today, we never would have used any antibiotics even though the short term results were good. We likely drove much of the spirochetes into dormancy instead of killing them immediatly. This just makes the irradication proccess take longer. This is the extent of harm I feel our treatment protocol may have had. But, following the doctors recommendation of seeing a Rhuematologist would have resulted in a more entrenched Lymes with a host of pain relievers, all with side effects, that are completely unneccesary with our methods. We will stick with the logical method as long as it works.

Little we have done is original. We have got this far by conversing with people without an agenda who knew something about Lyme Disease or bacteria destruction. I would like to thank them all for their contributions. I personally have hundreds of hours of research into various treatments available to us without the benefit of a personal physician. I have not tried them all, because we were fortunate to find an effective one early on. Do your research and try things that make sense and remember that the things that work are not neccesarily popular. An unconventional disease may need unconventional thinking.


I will repeat that this is an experimental treatment with no known side effects. Very effective in our opinion but experimental nontheless.

Use at your own risk. This is just our experience and opinion, results surely will vary. We are not doctors or healthcare providers.


D Bergy

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Thank you for the time you spent to inform others of your wife's success using Rife therapy.

Like you, I believe we all need to keep a very open mind, esp. with regards to the use of the "electromagnetic spectrum" to heal.

Years ago, we used sunlight (sanitariums) to cure TB.

Today we use TARGETED POWERFUL radiation therapy to cure cancer.

Radio frequencies and the above (light and radiation) are all part of the electromagnetic spectrum. This spectrum CAN be used to help us to heal.

God Bless and may your wife continue to enjoy once again a pain free life.

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You are extremely kind to give such details in the treatment plan you have devised . This personal experience is extremely helpful !

I am on herbs now and have been on ABX for over a year , and eventually plan to try the rife. The testimonies here about its efficacy
are very compelling. One person I know had
gotten much better with babs from ABX , but relapsed every time he stopped the drugs.He finally started rife treatment ( without ABX)
aand got well. I think he used the same machine as you .

Was this machine very expensive? I know a lot of others here use the EMEM devices , but I wonder if they are as effective and strong as the machine you are using .

It is wonderful to read that your wife is improving ! This is a disease that forces us to basically find the road to healing ourselves , but how BLESSED MS Bergy is to have someone who is committed to her well being . I am touched by the devotion you demonstrate for your wife ( VERY) .

Please keep us updated . I am even more convinced that I will ned to try rife .

Thanks so very much for sharing!

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Thanks for the update. Your commitment to seeing this through is inspirational for me.

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Hope gently clasped my hand and led on.

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Thank you for your kind comments. The log I posted was originally just for our own use to check progress. I have a terrible memory so I have to document such things. I have since edited the log so it could provide an example to others, of what happens with treatment.

We were lucky that we suspected Lyme ever since the Deer Tick was found. I do not think most people who have had Lyme for years would improve this fast. But, I do think they would improve although at a slower pace.

What has surprised me the most is how easy the Babesia was eliminated. We have run the Babesia frequencies several times since the nasty first time when the bad herx was experienced. If her reactions mean anything, she simply does not have it anymore. I do wish we had a way of confirming what appears to be happening but that would be difficult.

Many people use the EMEM and I think it is probably just as effective as the GB-4000.
The difference is I can run eight frequencies at one time with the GB-4000 which makes it faster. The auto programs also make it easier, and more likely that it will be used regularly.

The big difference is the price. The GB-4000 with amplifier costs around $2,400.00 where some EMEM's are $600.00 to $800.00

They both work and I would not hesitate to use either one for Lyme. As a matter of fact, I plan on getting an EMEM in the future.

I hope you all can get better also. I know many have using various methods. Sometimes you just have to find what works for you in particular.

D Bergy

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I have read several members post that they are relapsing with babs after stopping ABX. I hope they see your progress here . ( And also read Ernie's posts ) .

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Dan,

Which frequencies were you using for the Babesia? There aren't many listed, and very little is said about them.

We have two working DiaRifes now, and have been working mostly in that 380,000 to 400,000 hz range you mentioned. They have been great with the Lyme!

Nobody seems to have caught on to this yet, but the Shortwave Diathermy that delivers the Rife frequency makes the joint pain just vanish like a bad dream. It IS, after all, physical therapy for inflamed joints and muscles.

(Maybe some have taken note, but are just terrified of enough RF to make you feel all warm. [Eek!] )

The Babesia SYMPTOMS are gone, but I can still often see small almond shaped ring forms in our red cells when doing a darkfield check. I think it is still there.

I haven't really been targeting it with the Rife very much though because I do not really know what energy form and frequency it is susceptible to.

Were there any of the Babs frequencies that seemed to definitelly do something?

Thanks,
James

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I programmed the Babesia frequencies into the GB-4000 from the CAFL as a set, so they all run at the same time. We used the following frequencies:

76,570,1583,1584,753,5776, all are in Hz.

Being I have not run them individually I do not know which particular frequencies work. The set did cause much discomfort the first time and caused a bad Herx the next day. Since then there has been little or no reaction.

I will run them one at a time for the next treatment and see what reaction, if any, occurs.

I wish I was able to use a darkfeild, but I wouldn't know what the heck I was looking at.
Let me know if you get rid of those almond shaped things using the Bab's frequencies.

I think you probably have one of the most effective Rife devices. The fact that it heats you up does seems kind of spooky. But I have a chiropractor that uses one on my back, and it feels great. Maybe I can get it from him when he retires.

D Bergy

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I am away from my very non-portable machines for a couple of weeks, but I brought along one of the function generators to use as a pad machine.

Maybe I will hook it up and try those with it. No carrier wave that way, but it is better than nothing.

If those things are a Babesia strain they might be more susceptible to a very strong magnetic field than to the electrostatic one I am using... assuming they concentrate iron like the Malarias.

I have very few Babesia symptoms now, so maybe it is having an effect despite seeing some rings in the blood cells. If something gets rid of them I certainly will let you know!

Having even the symptoms under control is pretty wonderful, though.

James

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AWESOME!

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BTW - I am NOT a medical professional - just speaking from MY own personal experience.

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James, I see a new Babesia frequency has been added to the 2006 CAFL of 432 Hz. If you use it, let me know if you get any results.

Thanks

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Thanks for this info!

I just bought one of the lesser priced models from ebay.

Question? Are the frequencies used the same, regardless of machine used?

Also, I've only used my rife once. I have a hard time standing for a long amount of time but instructions say best if you stand on the footplates. Can I sit while treating or is this counterproductive?

Is there a central list of all the lyme frequencies available anywhere? I did review the CFAL website but not many are lyme related frequencies.

Oh I wish we had a rife forum here so we could ask questions as we learn. [Smile]

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Are there any contraindications for metal-toxic tick-borne ill pts to use Rife-like machines?

Many lymies may have some metal toxicities and not know it.

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Ann,

Babesia is really tough to get rid of with ANY of the known treatments. They are very durable little protezoan things.

Worse, there has been only scant research on it, as our keepers have chosen to turn a blind eye and deny the existance of the problem.

Anything we find that even helps is a victory for those suffering.

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Tothepoorhouse, you can use any of the Lyme frequencies any other Rife machine runs, within the frequency limits of the machine. Let us know how it works for you.

I am not sure where you looked to check for Lyme frequencies but the CAFL has well over 100 of them. http://tinyurl.com/tzj2w

612 Hz has been a real good one for us.

I have no idea why you would have to stand up.
As long as you have good contact it should make no difference. Just do not ground out any of the contact points. We put a plastic garbage bag under the foot plates. We also have wet cloth covers over the foot plates and hand contacts to improve conductivity.

I know very little about metal toxicity. In Bryan Rosner's book he says, in general, Rife treatments do not cause the release of any more metals than any other treatment that would kill the Lyme bacteria. The thinking is that if the bacteria stores mercury then anything that destroys the bacteria will release that amount of mercury. However it is not thought to release it from the body in general. I am quite sure no double blind studies exist to support this. But, that is the nature of using frequency experimentation.

I would say anyone that knows that they are highly toxic with mercury would want to take steps to remove it from their system first, before any kind of Lyme treatment. I certainly would talk to an expert on chelation before proceeding.

Just my opinions. I am not a health care provider.

Happy Rifing

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James,

We ran the Babesia frequencies one at a time. The only one that caused any sensation was the 570 Hz. This frequency caused mild discomfort in her wrist and elbow in her right arm. Her wrist bothered her slightly before treatment.
The other Babesia frequencies caused no sensation anywhere.

We were using the foot plates as positive conductors and the hand cylinders as the ground.
We switch these around occasionally to make sure that we cover all areas.

I do not know if it means anything or not as we have no way of knowing if she even has Babesia.
I do know when she first used all of the frequencies it caused a bad herx but little or no reaction since.

I wish I had the ability to watch what happens under a microscope.

I am going to try the 570 again with the next treatment only this time with a sweep.

D Bergy

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I don't know that we should be expecting a herxheimer reaction from babesia anyway. The herxheimer is a peculiarity of some spirochetes and a few others. With most other things the symptoms just get better when they are killed.

We are on a vacation now and just have a little analog function generator to use as a makeshift pad device. In this case a sweep means turning the fine frequency knob slowly. [Smile]

Microscopes are kind of a mixed blessing. We could be pretty happy thinking the babesia was gone between Rife and artemisinin. Not having night sweats, headaches or air hunger anymore. Then still seeing red blood cells with one or more ring forms is a little discouraging.

It is a reminder that the achievable treatment goal is to become reasonably symptom free, not pathogen free.

James

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Very interesting discussion!

James you said (quite a few posts above):
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Nobody seems to have caught on to this yet, but the Shortwave Diathermy that delivers the Rife frequency makes the joint pain just vanish like a bad dream. It IS, after all, physical therapy for inflamed joints and muscles.

(Maybe some have taken note, but are just terrified of enough RF to make you feel all warm. [Eek!] )

Last November I started seeing a different chiropractor and he has two of these machines for deep heat therapy.

I could never understand what they were or how they worked. But you just provided enough terminology for me to do a google on Shortwave Diathermy and see that you can actually buy these devices yourself! Of course, they are pretty pricey and I'm not sure they would be good to use too often. I am sure I don't know enough to even know what I don't know!

I am having him use it on my right TMJ that is giving me some trouble (clicking/swelling). It's the side that had an upper molar root canal last December.

I sure hope it's helping with other stuff too. That would be nice.

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When I lost my grip on Faith in the maze of illness,
Hope gently clasped my hand and led on.

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