Topic: DEER TASK FORCE meeting I attended in Ames, Iowa 5-20-08; is deer meat SAFE TO EAT ??
bettyg
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.. 1 went to the 1st OPEN meeting for public to attend of Ames, Iowa DEER TASK FORCE.
it was ALL committee members except me! all head honchos with ames police chief running the show.
i explained i was there as a lyme disease advocate. later when he opened the floor up, i spoke up immediately to give my speel since i didn't want to stick around for the 1-2 hr. meeting.
i told them about myself; 38 yrs. C.LYME; 34 yrs. misdiagnosed by 40-50 drs.
that iowa has no full-time chronic llmds; WE HAVE TO GO OUT OF STATE FOR TREATMENT, AND OUR HEALTH INSURANCE REFUSES TO PAY FOR OUR TREATMETNS/APPTS.
i had printed out conn's deer task force info someone posted about 2-4 months ago, so took that to police chief so they can use that as a guide and go to conn. site and use what they are doing vs. starting from scratch!
i told thme of the lyme war going on between IDSA VS. ILADS; how we are being punished due to it.
told them about blumenthal's 20 mo. anti trust investigation; IDSA was fould guilty of conflicts of interest, grant money, being on 2 committees using same language on guideliens preventing us from getting LONG ENOUGH ABX treatments, etc.
told them about pallone's holding up our lyme bill and mentioned i called his nj office again today giving them an earful.
told them it was of pallone's complete subcommittee meeting with the IDSA ducks/lawyers the day afte blumenthal's written decision coming out, and then not giving pat smith the paper that pallone was sitting on it.
also, on how i got my lyme; tick from folk's live xmas tree ... no tick embedded and no bulls-eye rash.
chief ... only solution there is eradicating ENTIRE DEER HERDS! yes!
also told them i had concerns about deer meat harvested for needy/homeless.
where do we have info about deer meat? IS IT SAFE? ***********
i seem to remember some posts where it is NOT safe!
do we have an LINKS from good sources on this? **********************************************
treepatrol
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Cooking kills the spirochetes but handling and buthering is a whole other matter.
-------------------- Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Remember Iam not a Doctor Just someone struggling like you with Tick Borne Diseases.
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Venison has been shown to sometimes contain prions, which have been shown to cause mad cow disease. An internet search for prions in deer meat will give you more info. See the attached info from Wikipedia:
Prion disease
Microscopic "holes" are characteristic in prion-affected tissue sections, causing the tissue to develop a "spongy" architecture
Main article: Transmissible spongiform encephalopathy
Prions cause neurodegenerative disease by aggregating extracellularly within the central nervous system to form plaques known as amyloids, which disrupt the normal tissue structure.
This disruption is characterized by "holes" in the tissue with resultant spongy architecture due to the vacuole formation in the neurons.[21] Other histological changes include astrogliosis and the absence of an inflammatory reaction.[22]
While the incubation period for prion diseases is generally quite long, once symptoms appear the disease progresses rapidly, leading to brain damage and death.[23]
Neurodegenerative symptoms can include convulsions, dementia, ataxia (balance and coordination dysfunction), and behavioural or personality changes.
All known prion diseases, collectively called transmissible spongiform encephalopathies (TSEs), are untreatable and fatal.[24]
However, a vaccine has been developed in mice that may provide insight into providing a vaccine in humans to resist prion infections.[25]
Additionally, in 2006 scientists announced that they had genetically engineered cattle lacking a necessary gene for prion production - thus theoretically making them immune to BSE,[26] building on research indicating that mice lacking normally-occurring prion protein are resistant to infection by scrapie prion protein.[27]
Many different mammalian species can be affected by prion diseases, as the prion protein (PrP) is very similar in all mammals.[28]
Due to small differences in PrP between different species, it is unusual for a prion disease to be transmitted from one species to another.
However, the human prion disease variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease is believed to be caused by a prion which typically infects cattle and is transmitted through infected meat.[29]
Some researchers have suggested that metal ion interactions with prion proteins might be relevant to the progression of prion-mediated disease, based on epidemiological studies of clusters of prion disease in locales with low soil concentrations of copper.[30]
The following diseases are believed to be caused by prions.
In animals:
Scrapie in sheep and goats[31]
Bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) in cattle (known as mad cow disease)[31]
Transmissible mink encephalopathy (TME) in mink[31]
Chronic wasting disease (CWD) in elk and mule deer[31]
Feline spongiform encephalopathy in cats[31]
Exotic ungulate encephalopathy (EUE) in nyala, oryx and greater kudu[31]
Spongiform encephalopathy of the ostrich[32]
In humans:
Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD)[31] and its varieties: iatrogenic Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (iCJD), variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (vCJD), familial Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (fCJD), and sporadic Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (sCJD)
Gerstmann-Str�ussler-Scheinker syndrome (GSS)[31]
Fatal familial insomnia (sFI)[33] Kuru[31]
[edit] Transmission
Proposed mechanism of prion propagationAlthough the identity and general properties of prions are now well understood, the mechanism of prion infection and propagation remains mysterious.
It is often assumed that the diseased form directly interacts with the normal form to make it rearrange its structure.
One idea, the "Protein X" hypothesis, is that an as-yet unidentified cellular protein (Protein X) enables the conversion of PrPC to PrPSc by bringing a molecule of each of the two together into a complex.[34]
Current research suggests that the primary method of infection in animals is through ingestion.
It is thought that prions may be deposited in the environment through the remains of dead animals and via urine, saliva, and other body fluids. They may then linger in the soil by binding to clay and other minerals.[35]
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Betty, I think you deserve a gold star for your efforts!
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copying carol's from activism post, Frequent Contributor Member # 5338 posted 22-05-2008 03:14 PM ------------------
Betty, I think you deserve a gold star for your efforts!
Your state game commission should know if the venison is considered safe to eat.
Carol Posts: 2092 | From: Lancaster, PA | Registered: Feb 2004
thank you so much: tree, byron, patti, and carol
for all the info and support!
i did a search last night of PAST POSTS on this and found alot going thru and copy/pasting scientific info, etc.
eventully i'll post it all here so it's in ONE place for the next person asking this question!
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copied another post from carol in activism over here ... so all replies are in one spot.
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bettyg
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.....copying this one post here with many links to it so i can read and weed out what is NOT necessary for what i want to send our local chief of police!
i read all 8 links below; they didn't have scientific evidence, so i deleted them all; left 1 only with some good, informative info!
BettyG **********************
Terry Frequent Contributor Member # 8552 posted 21-10-2007 01:02 AM ------------------------------
I don't know the answers, just what I've read from a few sources and some of the info was conflicting.
At one point I read that deer don't get lyme disease - doesn't really answer the question I know. Another article I read said that they rarely get it. I don't know which is correct.
I suppose you could introduce borrelia infected ticks into your environment if you brought home a carcass with ticks if any were infected.
I know that the spirochete lives through blood banking procedures which are pretty extreme. They are very hard to kill.
This topic has been discussed here many times. I didn't search through all of these links to determine how valid they were but there are a number of the following links that have similar titles to this thread. I just entered "deer meat" in the search facility to get this list.
There are more if you care to continue looking. *********************************************
YES deer are infected with Lyme- and Babesiosis-and Ehrlichiosis- anaplasmosis- AND with borrelia lonestari-
1: J Med Entomol. 2007 May;44(3):478-83.Links
Transmission of bacterial agents from lone star ticks to white-tailed deer.
Varela-Stokes AS.Department of Infectious Diseases, University of Georgia, Athens, GA 30602, USA. [email protected]
Amblyomma americanum (L.), the lone star tick, is an aggressive ixodid tick that has been implicated as a vector for several bacteria.
Among these bacteria are the disease agents Ehrlichia chaffeensis and Ehrlichia ewingii, and the putative disease agent "Borrelia lonestari."
The hypothesis in this study was that wild lone star ticks from northeastern Georgia are capable of transmitting all three agents to white-tailed deer, Odocoileus virginianus, a known reservoir host for E. chaffeensis.
In this study, transmission of all three agents from wild caught lone star ticks to captive reared white-tailed deer was demonstrated by polymerase chain reaction (PCR), culture, or serology.
Two of three deer showed evidence of E. chaffeensis and E. ewingii infection by polymerase chain reaction assay; all three deer showed evidence of B. lonestari by PCR assay.
E. chaffeensis was isolated in culture from both PCR-positive deer on multiple days.
All three deer seroconverted to E. chaffeensis, whereas one deer seroconverted to B. lonestari.
This study supports the role of lone star ticks and white-tailed deer as a vector and reservoir host for E. chaffeensis and E. ewingii and suggests for the first time, transmission of B. lonestari from lone star ticks to white-tailed deer.
PMID: 17547234
1: J Wildl Dis. 1999 Apr;35(2):266-74. Links
Infections of granulocytic ehrlichiae and Borrelia burgdorferi in white-tailed deer in Connecticut.
Magnarelli LA, Ijdo JW, Stafford KC 3rd, Fikrig E.Department of Entomology, Connecticut Agricultural Experiment Station, New Haven, CT 06504, USA.
Serum or whole blood samples, obtained from 141 white-tailed deer (Odocoileus virginianus) in Connecticut (USA) during 1980, 1991, and 1996, were analyzed to detect past or current infections of Ehrlichia phagocytophila genogroup organisms and Borrelia burgdorferi.
When the BDS or NCH-1 strains of granulocytic ehrlichiae were used separately in indirect fluorescent antibody (IFA) staining methods, antibody positivity rates varied from 25 to 64% in 1991 and 1996, respectively.
All 50 sera tested from 1980 collections were negative.
Although percentages of sera with B. burgdorferi antibodies, as detected by an enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay, also differed (23 to 53%), there were coexisting antibodies to both bacteria in 20 (49%) of 41 sera.
In tests on specificity, 19 deer sera with ehrlichial antibodies also were tested by IFA staining procedures for Anaplasma marginale antibodies;
one serum with a titer of 1:5,120 to ehrlichial antigen reacted to A. marginale antigen at a serum dilution of 1:320.
In parallel analyses of 69 sera, results of Western blot analyses for ehrlichial infections in deer were concordant (72% agreement) with those of IFA staining methods containing ehrlichial antigen.
All positive immunoblots showed bands to peptides of the NCH-1 strain of the human granulocytic ehrlichiosis (HGE) agent having molecular masses of about 44, 105, or 110 kDa.
In polymerase chain reaction (PCR) studies of blood samples from 63 deer, 11 (18%) specimens were positive for 16S ribosomal DNA of an Ehrlichia phagocytophila genogroup organism,
whereas 23 (37%) samples were positive for the DNA of the 44 kDa gene of the HGE agent.
White-tailed deer are exposed to different tick-borne bacteria in areas where Ixodes scapularis ticks are abundant and may, in some instances, have had concurrent infections.
PMID: 10231753
1: Vet Microbiol. 2006 Jun 15;115(1-3):229-36. Epub 2006 Feb 3. Links White-tailed deer (Odocoileus virginianus) develop spirochetemia following experimental infection with Borrelia lonestari.Moyer PL, Varela AS, Luttrell MP, Moore VA 4th, Stallknecht DE, Little SE. Department of Infectious Diseases, College of Veterinary Medicine, University of Georgia, Athens, GA 30602, USA.
Borrelia lonestari is considered a putative agent of southern tick-associated rash illness (STARI) and is known to occur naturally only in lone star ticks (Amblyomma americanum) and white-tailed deer (Odocoileus virginianus).
We used a low passage isolate of B. lonestari (LS-1) to inoculate white-tailed deer, C3H mice, Holstein cattle, and beagles.
Animals were monitored via examination of Giemsa and acridine orange stained blood smears, polymerase chain reaction (PCR), indirect fluorescent antibody (IFA) test, and/or culture isolation.
Spirochetes were visualized in blood smears of both deer on days post-inoculation (DPI) 6, 8, 12 and one deer on DPI 15.
Whole blood collected from deer tested PCR positive starting on DPI 4 and remained positive as long as DPI 28.
Both deer developed antibody titers of >64, with a maximum IFA titer of 1024.
The organism was reisolated from the blood of both deer on DPI 6 and one deer on DPI 12.
All isolation attempts from mice, calves, or dogs were negative, although one of seven mice was transiently PCR positive.
Mice and dogs developed an IFA titer > or =64, while calves lacked a detectable antibody response.
These preliminary experimental infection trials show that white-tailed deer are susceptible to infection with B. lonestari and develop a spirochetemia following needle-inoculation, while C3H mice, calves, and dogs do not.
Results suggest that deer may serve as a vertebrate reservoir host.
Tick transmission studies are needed to confirm that this organism can be maintained in a natural cycle involving deer and A. americanum.
"Most patients diagnosed with HGE have acquired their infection after exposure in areas where ticks are endemic, and 60% of patients recall a preceding tick bite [13, 41].
Although tick bites are thought to represent the main method of transmission of the HGE agent to most patients, we have recently seen several butchers develop HGE shortly after cutting large quantities of fresh deer carcasses [54].
None of the butchers described any preceding tick bites.
It is therefore possible that exposure to infected blood represents an occupational hazard to persons who process large quantities of fresh deer meat, by direct inoculation of the HGE agent through cuts on skin or contamination of mucous membranes." ***********
IDENTIFICATION OF CRITICAL LYSINE RESIDUES IN DbpA REQUIRED FOR DECORIN BINDING*
Eric L. Brown, Betty P. Guo, Pamela O'Neal, and Magnus H��k�
From the Center for Extracellular Matrix Biology, Albert B. Alkek Institute of Biosciences and Technology, Texas A&M University Health Science Center, Houston, Texas 77030
ABSTRACT TOP ABSTRACT INTRODUCTION EXPERIMENTAL PROCEDURES RESULTS DISCUSSION REFERENCES
Borrelia burgdorferi, the causative agent of Lyme disease, expresses on its surface two decorin binding adhesins, DbpA and DbpB.
Previous studies have demonstrated that vaccination of mice with DbpA provided protection against challenge with heterologous Borrelia strains despite considerable sequence variability among DbpA in these strains.
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Chronic Wasting Disease has been found among farmed deer and wild deer in New York state. Town's Venison Banquet Puts a State on Alert By MICHELLE YORK Published: April 10, 2005 http://www.prwatch.org/forum/printthread.php?t=5466 (this was from the NY Times)
"Through unlucky circumstance, tissue samples from a deer that one farmer donated for the banquet tested positive for chronic wasting disease, and the results were discovered after the meat had been eaten at the banquet. It is the deer version of mad cow disease, and the first documented case in New York.
"The deer that tested positive was one of 18 being raised by an outdoors enthusiast, John Palmer, who lives in Westmoreland, a neighboring town."
Well, if New York state has it, Pennsylvania can't be far behind....
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Yes you can get lyme and other diseases from undercooked meats also get parasites from not thoroughly washed veggies fruits.
ps you can also pick up this thing called prion which dosent matter if its cooked or not.
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.. Deer Problem
MarsyNY Frequent Contributor Member # 7766 posted 22-11-2007 02:48 AM ------------------------------
After reading the posts about deer blood and deer meat I thought this might be enlightening (also frightening) about the deer population and diseases on Shelter Island and what has been proposed.
The Shelter Island Tick Task Force ***********************************
Executive Summary
Shelter Island, NY, an approximately 6,000 acre island in the Peconic Bay, has been for many years concerned with the high incidence of diseases which have been identified as "tick borne" diseases, i.e., diseases transmitted by tick vectors. The primary host of these tick vectors is the white tailed deer.
In a recent survey of "Selected Notifiable Diseases" in Suffolk County, Shelter Island had an incidence of Lyme disease that was almost twice that of the next highest town.
Both Lyme disease, caused by the spirochete "Borrelia burgdorferi" and transmitted through the bite of the deer tick and Ehrlichiosis, caused by the several species of Ehrlichia and transmitted by the bite of the Lone Star tick, cause seriously debilitating and often chronic disease.
Ticks of various species have been incriminated in transmitting, besides Lyme disease and Ehrlichiosis, Tularemia, Babesiosis, Lone Star tick disease, and Rocky Mountain spotted fever in this geographic region.
In considering solutions to the problem of the high incidence of tick borne disease on Shelter Island, several methods and approaches to deer control and tick control were examined:
Increasing the length of the deer-hunting season and or adding special hunting seasons to further reduce the deer herd.
Immuno-contraception where the female deer (does) are rendered reproductively sterile by the use of a one-dose vaccine that prevents conception for 3 years.
Controlled bums to bum back vegetation that provides tick habitat.
Use of Insecticidal (tick) sprays in area throughout the island.
Devices to kill larval ticks on the white-footed mouse, from which the spirochete of Lyme disease enters the tick life cycle.
Deer collaring device which is similar to the "4-Poster" but instead of rubbing the permethrin on their necks with a roller, the feeding station is computerized and slips a Tick collar on the deer's neck as it feeds.
The "4 Poster" system which relies on a unique method of applying the insecticide, permethrin, to the neck and head of deer which are lured to a feeding site by a special com feeding device.
This system has proven to be very effective in several trials in various geographic areas. It has reduced tick numbers by up to 99% over a 3-year period.
The discussion and data to follow this synopsis-will explain the pros and cons of each method considered.
The committee believes that a broad attack on the problem will require four well-coordinated actions:
Create a town appointed commission to implement and coordinate the recommended programs and to work with elected officials to obtain approvals and funding.
Initiate an aggressive campaign to call attention to tick borne illnesses, with year round public education on minimizing exposure and dealing with tick bites and their effects.
Reduce the deer herd by regular season hunting and, if necessary, by using additional or extended hunting seasons.
Put the "4 Poster" system in place to reduce tick numbers.
The safety and effectiveness of this product has been proven in many areas of the country, but using it in New York will require permission to feed deer, which is now illegal in NY State, and permission to use permethrin on deer, which is currently not approved by NY State.
Report
The Shelter Island Tick Task Force, a committee formed by the coalition of the League of Women Voters of Shelter Island, the Shelter Island Association, and representatives of the Garden Club of Shelter Island, the Nature Conservancy (Mashomack Preserve), hunters and community members of our community, have over the past year investigated different methods in which to reduce the tick population on our island and thereby reduce the incidence of tick borne diseases.
The time has come to declare that Shelter Island has a serious public health issue with tick borne illnesses. Currently, there are six different tick-borne diseases on the island:
Lyme Disease, Babesiosis, Ehrlichiosis, Lone Star Tick Disease, Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever, and Tularemia.
Some of these diseases can turn into life threatening illnesses.
Two of the ticks in our area, the black legged or Deer tick and the Lone Star tick have the white tail deer as their host.
The Deer tick is well known for being the vector of Lyme disease.
The Lone Star tick, which spreads both Lone Star tick disease and in some areas Ehrlichiosis, has become much more prevalent on the island in recent years and lives in grass as well as the woods, is aggressive and quickly travels up to 30 feet to reach a host.
It has caused a sharp increase in the number of tick borne illnesses in the past few years.
There is currently no medical test available to detect Lone Star Tick disease, which is similar to Lyme disease in many ways.
Also, Doxycycline, the primary treatment for the Lone Star Tick Disease, cannot be given to children except in life threatening cases.
Babesiosis, Ehrlichiosis, and Lyme disease are also difficult to treat. There are currently no vaccines on the market to prevent any of these diseases (the one vaccine that came out for Lyme has since been taken off the market).
Current statistics from the Peconic Community Council show that Shelter Island in 1999-2000 has the highest incidence of Lyme Disease, 925 cases per 100,000 as opposed to the next closest town on the east end, East Hampton, of 494 cases.
The committee researched many options that control the host and/or control the ticks including:
substantially reducing the deer herd on the island, immuno-contraception of the does, prescribed burning, spraying, bait boxes, collaring devices, and four posters.
Reducing the deer herd will certainly cut the number of ticks but reduction is not proportional.
Hopefully, the majority of islanders would not allow the extermination of all of the deer, as they are a part of the mystique of Shelter Island.
We do not live in the city...we live here because its rural and the deer are a part of that. Also, the expense of killing all of the deer would be immense and very difficult. Ticks would still be present on many other animals including raccoons and birds.
<>Immuno-contraception.
Could be utilized but it is a very slow process, expensive and not EP A approved. In a 10-year program on Fire Island the herd was reduced by 1/3.
100 bucks and 100 does were each darted 34 times at $20 per dose in the first year.
The darting procedure is very traumatic and is recommended if the deer are controlled non-violently.
The SpayVac immuno-contraception vaccine is new and holds much greater promise in that one inoculation lasts (protects) 3 years butJhe delivery system needs improvement.
In both cases deer need to be corralled in some manner to be able to deliver the vaccine effectively to larger numbers.
Once the delivery system is worked out, Immuno-contraception will eventually be a very safe and humane way to reduce deer herd numbers.
However, reducing the deer herd by half barely affects the number of disease carrying ticks and is not a total solution for eliminating the ticks.
Burning. Prescribed burning has been allowed for many years. However, this option does not necessarily get rid of the ticks as well as might be expected.
The ticks mainly live in areas at the edges of woods and that area proves difficult to bum safely.
Many other living creatures would be destroyed in addition to the ticks and within a few months of burning, new grasses would grow and be quite inviting to deer and then ticks will be re-introduced.
The committee believes burning is not an answer for reducing the tick population on the island.
Spraying most of the island was determined to be expensive, ecologically disastrous to all the good insects such as bees and butterflies, and would endanger our bays and ground water as well. Not considered an option for our island.
Bait boxes. Bait boxes are effective for the deer ticks but would not rid the island of the aggressive Lone Star tick.
The Maxforce tick management system is designed to treat mice through baiting and applying an insecticide on the white-footed mouse that would kill the ticks that can carry Lyme disease. (See addendum 3)
The committee believes they are expensive for homeowners, 15-18 boxes are estimated to be needed in order to be effective due to most lots being approx.
1 acre and would cost a homeowner from $400 to $600.00 a year.
They must be serviced at least twice a year but they are relatively safe for the environment
. The committee eliminated this choice due to expense and not being effective to combat Lone Star Ticks.
Collaring device. Similar to the four-poster in that the deer come to feed and stick their heads in a container to feed.
But instead of having a roller applicator, the collaring device puts a collar on the deer that is similar to a tick collar for dogs.
This collaring device is computerized and will only put a collar on a deer that does not already have one. It is currently in the developing stages.
4-Poster Deer Feeder. This is a bait station that requires clean whole kernel com as feed to attract the deer to the location.
The design forces the deer to rub against the pesticide impregnated applicator rollers that in turn apply permethrin to their ears, heads, necks and shoulders.
Initial concern by hunters was the use of permethrin on the deer they hunt. They were concerned that the deer meat during skinning would become contaminated.
There is also concern that the grooming techniques used by deer would lead to ingestion of permethrin thereby also contaminating the meat.
The committee found, after a thorough investigation, that these concerns were minimal and not really a problem. The problem with the 4 poster deer-feeding program is that it requires a special permit from the DEC for l.
The use of permethrin, which is not approved in New York State for use on wildlife (deer), (Note: New York is the only state in the country that has not approved this) and 2. Baiting/feeding of the deer.
After studying all of these alternatives carefully the committee came to a consensus and suggests a collaborative effort of government agencies and the community to reduce Shelter Island's tick problem. The following four-pronged effort is suggested.
The creation of a tick advisory board or commission to be appointed by the town board. This committee, implementing the following proposals, would help with the following:
a. Oversee and coordinate the educational programs
b. Work with our elected officials to assist in obtaining funding for the purchase of the 4-Posters and for the salaries of qualified employees or possibly the cost of contracting with a qualified company who would maintain the units and obtaining the appropriate permits.
c. Oversee the maintenance of the 4-Posters and the record keeping
A year round public education program to call attention to the tick borne illness problems and how to best deal with the ticks and their bites and the illnesses that result.
Programs recommended are ***************************
a. Public forums with qualified guest speakers.
b. Brochures, written in English and Spanish that would be distributed through mailings, government agencies and organizations and businesses.
c. Educational signs on town owned properties.
d. Newspaper articles to further public awareness.
Reduction of the deer population utilizing the irnmuno-contraception program is not feasible for many reasons so hunting must continue October through January and/or special hunting seasons in order to help reduce the over crowding of deer.
The density of white-tailed deer has been estimated to be as high as 80 deer per square mile, which is far greater than the population density normally considered by professional deer biologists to be within carrying capacity (estimated at 20 or less deer per square mile).
This reduction is beneficial for homeowner's and their gardens and for the reduction of deer vs. vehicle accidents.
The average number of accidents that had damage over $1000 has been consistently above 20 per year except for 2003, where accidents numbered 31.
For accidents that caused damaged under $1000 there was a much higher incidence with an average in the mid 30's except for 2000, which was 53.
For a combined total it went down from a high of 74 deer vs. vehicular accidents in 2000 to a low of 55 in 2004.
Reducing the herds through hunting will continue to keep these numbers low.
The 4-Poster Deer Feeder best answers this island's need to eliminate the ticks. It has been extremely effective in killing adult Lone Star ticks and deer ticks and preliminary studies suggest that over 2-3 years, this program can eliminate over 90% of the tick population in a 50-acre area around each station.
The 4-Poster program uses a number of strategically placed deer-feeding stations to lure deer-the primary hosts for adult female ticks.
95% of the adult ticks prior to laying their eggs will take their blood feeding on the deer host.
As previously stated the 4-poster will treat the fur on their heads and necks with permethrin, a chemical that kills ticks.
The 4- Poster units would be activated during the months of March to mid December for the first three years and then every other year after that.
a. Capital Expenses:
First Year will be approximately $182,000.00,
Second and Third year will be approximately $118,767.00,
Fourth year to be approximately $ 0,
Fifth year to be approximately $118,767.00,
Sixth year to be approximately $0.
b. The Committee proposes that the Town of Shelter Island will aggressively look for grants and govt. funding.
However, if that funding is not found and taxes need to be raised then there are 3281 taxable parcels on this island.
If each taxable parcel's real estate taxes were raised by $40.00 a year then this entire program would be paid for.
This is less expensive than treating Lyme disease and all the other tick borne illnesses.
The State DEC recently ruled "New York State may be willing to issue a Special Local Needs Registration for selected isolated communities." Shelter Island, as well as Fire Island, which is also considering using the "4-Posters," is an isolated community.
The committee understands that convincing the DEC to give our island a special permit will not be an easy task.
The committee suggests that we inform our State and Federal Representatives about our serious medical crisis and request that they help us open a dialogue with the DEC in order to obtain this permit.
Currently, New York is the only state that has not approved the 4-Poster program.
The DEC needs to understand the serious nature of our problem and that we are an isolated community and should receive the special permit in order to reduce ticks.
Research has shown the effectiveness and safety of the four-poster in many communities such as Nantucket Island, Martha's Vineyard, MA and Paris Island, NC. The Northeast Tick Project was a test project of the 4-Poster in Maryland, NJ, NY, Conn., and R.I.
In most places the ticks were reduced
by over 90% in three years; the deer ticks about 92-98% and the Lone Star tick about 99%.
We recommend that this community decide to strongly pursue this matter.
The small dabs of permethrin on the necks of deer do not get into our ground water or bays unlike the spraying of our yards.
The program is actually similar to treating dogs with a permethrin compound in order to kill ticks.
Permethrin is used in many over-the-counter products and ranchers put it on cattle in large doses before sending them to the slaughterhouses including on the day of slaughter. It's also commonly used on dairy cattle.
Government-sponsored research found that permethrin stays on the hide and doesn't permeate the meat of an animal.
The CDC has advised hunters to wear gloves while skinning the deer in order to eliminate contact with the deerskin.
Another example of the commercial use of permethrin is that Orvis has been marketing clothing for hunters that are impregnated with permethrin and is called Buzz Off.
If the ticks can be eliminated through the 4- Poster program then a great reduction of harmful spraying of yards is anticipated.
In conclusion, the committee's objective is to eliminate a serious public health issue on our island by reducing tick-borne disease risk through the use of multiple intervention strategies and making Shelter Island a model for other communities to emulate.
Members of the Shelter Island Tick Task Force *********************************************
Ann Brunswick, Director, League of Women Voters of Shelter Island;
Susan Cincotta, Community member;
Christina Cunningham, Garden Club of Shelter Island;
Joe Cunningham, Community member;
Tom Damiani, Mashomack Preserve, The Nature Conservancy;
Tim Hogue, President, Shelter Island Association;
Rae Lapides, Community member;
Ted Lapides, Community member;
Steve Lenox, Hunter, Community member;
Janalyn Travis-Messer, President, League of Women Voters Shelter Island;
Mike Scheibel, Mashomack Preserve, The Nature Conservancy;
Patricia Shillingburg, Community member;
Gordon Van Vranken, Community member;
Paulette Van Vranken, Garden Club of Shelter Island; and
Dr. Bill Zitek, Veterinarian, Community member.
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schnuddelka posted I've found that the best way to keep lyme disease out of our area is deterring the deer. Your LONG article as I breezed through it reminded me of this.
There's a GREEN company that manufactures an organic deer repellent that REALLY works.
They guarantee it, and I've never had a problem with it. It smells good, doesn't wash off in the rain and lasts six months with one application.
It's granular - you place the bags around the perimeter of your yard and bammo NO DEER! I live in the middle of a national forest riddled with deer and it works for us!
I found this in my files. It was posted on one of the boards but I can't remember (no surprise there) which one.
"Beware of the deer blood!
Some reports have been made. I worked with/do programs for many hunting groups and many here make their living hunting as guides.
I researched it years ago and this is my recommendation.
Cover all outdoor clothing and equipment with Repel Permanone (clothing spray-not for skin-no scent-only product I know to KILL ticks, not just repel them away).
Spray a large, old , light colored sheet with Permanone and have it ready before hunting season.
Wrap it around deer after field dressing and then place it in the truck.
Wouldn't hurt to spray back of truck either because ticks will drop off as soon as the deer's body temperature starts to drop.
When hanging deer to age (2 weeks or so here) lay treated sheet under deer so remaining ticks will drop off onto sheet.
I know you will fuss about this one...not one hunter has NOT given me a hard time about this...but...you should wear gloves while handling meat/blood at all times. ************************************
Surfaces used for cutting and knives should be completely cleaned after use.
There are reports that LD has been contracted this way.
Also, while in labs during testing, infected rabbit urine accidentally splashed in a humans eyes and infected them.
Most everyone around here has been cooking the venison like steak, rare to med-rare.
It is not advised to eat meat that is not completely cooked to well done now." -------------------------------------- Posts: 733 | From: CT | Registered: Oct 2000 | IP: Logged /////////////////////
Sarah Frequent Contributor Member # 5 posted 22-02-2001 11:08 pm ******************************
I forget what forum it was in but this guy posted who had gotten Lyme from a motorcycle accident where he hit a deer and he and the deer were lying all tangled both bleeding everywhere!!!!
Of course I suppose a tick could have attached to him and a tick-check was probably not a priority for the ambulance people, but he thought it was from the blood to blood contact if I am remembering this right!!! (Yuck! Yuck! Yuck!!!) --------------------------------------------- Posts: 2641 | From: Aptos, California | Registered: Oct 2000 | IP: Logged
********************** duke77 Frequent Contributor Member # 5051 posted 06-08-2004 08:04 AM --------------------------------------------.
I have wondered about the hazzards of eating rare meat.
Lyme is a deep tissue bacteria so it would make sense. I am not sure if the Lyme can survive while the host is dead. I have heard that Lyme can't survive on the outside without a host. ------------------------------------------------ Posts: 585 | From: United States | Registered: Dec 2003 | IP: Logged
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Kara Tyson Frequent Contributor Member # 939 posted 06-08-2004 11:08 AM -------------------------------
With deer hunters the blood issue is an important one.
There is a "tradition" that when someone makes their first deer kill (usually as a child) they drink part of the deers blood. *******************************
I think you are fine as long as you cook your meat. ---------------------------------------- Posts: 6022 | From: Mobile, AL | Registered: Apr 2001 | IP: Logged
The Vice President of the Iowa Lyme Disease Association caught Lyme (along with 3 of 4 kids) from contact with the urine/feces of an infected puppy. ****************
Burgdorferi himself became infected from the urine splash of a rabit he was experimenting with. Trout ----------------------------------- Posts: 4908 | From: North East, Iowa | Registered: Sep 2002 | IP: Logged
ONE OF DISCOVERERS OF BORRELISIS/LYME *********************************
From Willy Burgdorer himself.(old)
Willy Burgdorfer Ph.d., recently appeared on WWDB's (Philadelphia) "Irv Homer Radio Talk Show".
One caller asked, "Can I get Lyme disease from the venison I eat and does the animal get infected?"
He responded, "The animal is infected but you don't eat this meat raw. If you prepared it for cooking properly, it will kill the spirochetes.
In gutting out the deer, for instance, you should do it with gloves on and you should be careful not to cut yourself because deer blood can be infectious.
Same thing with removing a tick. If you remove a tick improperly and you squash the tick that is infected between your fingers, you may become contaminated this way." --------------------------------------- Posts: 11633 | From: NM
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Daise, no, I was not aware that anyone can post on Wikipedia. That's very interesting. However, the information on prions is medically and scientifically proven and can be found in many resources. This is also information that I learned while I was still a hospital pharmacist.
That's why I had no problem using the information from Wikipedia, as it is written simply and easily enough for the average person to understand.
It's important to note, as is mentioned in one of Betty's posts, that prions cannot be killed by cooking. So now I, for one, who used to enjoy eating venison once in a while, will never touch it again.
I'll have to check on what you say about Wikipedia. That would explain some flaming I saw written about a local sportscaster who's blatantly biased toward the school he graduated from...
Does that mean I can jump in and write something about anybody or anything on Wikipedia? That seems a little strange. I'll have to see how that works.
Patti
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... daise, thanks for the compliments; and yes, i'm glad it is ALL IN ONE PLACE vs. the 17 links i read, and extracted from!! big uffda!
patti, thx for your info too! daise, thx for informing her that anyone can add/delete things on wikipenia at their whim! i'm not been there, but have NO desire as certain people keep changing it to suit THEIR WHIMS of what they want it to say! so sad!
yes, i emailed that to police chief right after i posted here and sent him this DIRECT LINK!
i also sent him by attachment my 122 NEWBIE PACKAGE!!
i also my combined 2 LDA brochures i typed and added things too ... it's what i gave them printouts off last week when i was there.
will be interesting what type of feedback i get!
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Lyme Disease Deer often are implicated in the spread of Lyme disease. One of the tick species that harbors and spreads the disease is called the "deer tick" in some regions.
However, there has never been a documented case of a human contracting Lyme disease through the handling or consumption of venison.
The disease actually is caused by bacteria and is spread through certain species of ticks.
Deer, other wildlife and domestic animals often are hosts for the ticks that carry Lyme disease and may expand its range.
Deer can become infected with Lyme disease, but they do not carry large numbers of the bacteria.
The disease isn't passed from one deer to another or to humans.
Deer may have large numbers of ticks and other parasites, and certain deer handling precautions will minimize your exposure to them.
Hang a deer carcass for a day or two to let many of the ticks drop off. Refrigeration may discourage ticks from dropping.
Wear latex gloves while dressing and processing deer. Gloves prevent any possible disease transmission through open cuts or abrasions .
Treat clothing with permanone or a similar tick spray to prevent most ticks from biting. Take a shower after being in the woods, and check your body closely.
Cook meat thoroughly. Although there is no evidence to suggest that deer diseases or parasites can be transmitted through venison, thoroughly cooking meat will ensure this. Copyright (c) 1995-2008 Conservation Commission of Missouri.
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A friend of mine said her husband was skinning a deer and his knife slipped and he cut himself. And he ended up getting a pretty bad case of lyme from it. Atleast thats how he thinks he got it.
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thanks for the additional info to my post!
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i read in last night's newspaper about the deer hunting regs were done and could be accessed by internet, so i went to their site.
i noticed they did NOT mention anything in their about LYME DISEASE whatsoever, so i sent the chief of police a short note about my disappointment in that as well as not getting any replies from what i furnished him 3 months ago.
******************************** i got this email today....8.22.08
Dear Ms. G:
I understand your interest in getting information distributed about Lyme Disease.
Please know that I distributed the information you provided to the committee and also placed copies in the brochure rack in city hall.
We did not list Lyme Disease as a motivating factor for the hunt because the entomologist on the committee indicated that the deer harvest was unlikely to have a substantial impact on the tick population.
His view was that the white-footed mouse was such an important and abundant alternate host that the hunt would not eliminate this problem.
While the committee did not have the expertise to make a determination on this question, it did seem to be an area where any benefit of the hunt would be secondary, at least for the time being.
This was not intended to downplay the importance of Lyme Disease.
Your note serves as a reminder that the fall activities put hunters and hikers out into the timber and information targeting this group may serve as a good reminder to them.
We can include some of your educational materials in our hunter education meeting. ******************************************* *******************************************
We did not intend to diminish the importance of Lyme Disease as a public health issue.
Your contribution was respected and the information you provided was circulated within the Task Force as well as being made available to the public.
Charles, chief of police *********************************
at least this made me feel BETTER....l
"We can include some of your educational materials in our hunter education meeting. "
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While it is true that anyone can post on Wikipedia, New stuff that's posted is read, and removed or at least marked unverified if a good source for it can't be found. That said, I wouldn't trust Wikipedia or even more conventional texts 100% when it comes to these matters.
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I am a newbie - dx last week. Met with LLMD yesterday and will start treatment as soon as details worked out with ppo.
I have a Whole Freezer Filled with Venison. Can't think straight about this.
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ONE OF DISCOVERERS OF BORRELISIS/LYME *********************************
From Willy Burgdorer himself.(old)
Willy Burgdorfer Ph.d., recently appeared on WWDB's (Philadelphia) "Irv Homer Radio Talk Show".
One caller asked, "Can I get Lyme disease from the venison I eat and does the animal get infected?"
He responded, "The animal is infected but you don't eat this meat raw. If you prepared it for cooking properly, it will kill the spirochetes. *********************************************
In gutting out the deer, for instance, you should do it with gloves on and you should be careful not to cut yourself because deer blood can be infectious.
Same thing with removing a tick. If you remove a tick improperly and you squash the tick that is infected between your fingers, you may become contaminated this way."
by the way, burgdori is one who discovered lyme disease and the most knowledgeable; so cooking your venison until PROPERLY DONE; you can eat your meat!
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Betty dear, you're greatly appreciated. I have killed and eaten over 100 deer and around fifty elk. I've cut myself and gotten their blood in me I'm sure.
I got lyme from a tick bite while sleeping my bed. I don't know about the deer but you would have to get rid of the white footed deer mice as well. They are a much greater risk for lyme than the deer. I think that might be impossible. Maybe better treatment is where we should focus
I know, I'm frustrated too, I almost ended it all. I still don't know if I'm going to get well, but I can't seem to blame the deer.
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Betty,
Thanks for this link.
Since this is about pathogens and food safety, I've added your link here to the thread about Food poisoning:
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