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I have tested various combos...testing my blood drops with a phase contrast 1600x scope.

It appears that laruicidin, or the same active as virgin coconut oil...works as suggested, that it dissolves the biofilms then allowing the abx in for the kill.

While checking my bloods today...I took massive abx..and STILL found living lyme hatchling and lyme blebs.

Only 3 hours after taking laruicidin did I note that NO MORE MOVING INVADERS.

And so it appears...laruic acid along with abx...did the trick for me.

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What do you think of this "Mother's milk" ingredient??? I just can't get myself to try it. Would extra virgin cocunut oil work as well do you think? James, did you ever try taking GSE orally and observing your blood under the microscope? I think you mentioned you put a few drops directly onto the slide...

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Yes, I lightly dusted a slide with GSE powder and they died.

All except 1 lyme hatchling. Didnt wait but about 2 mins.

So, the last one likely died.

NO. olive oil is way dif.

Coconut is akin to a "detergent" sort of speak..its purpose is to dissolve the biofilm.

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I have taken monolaurin for my viruses. Is this the same thing?

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Here is my only issue on this...

If you were able to view lyme hatchlings etc on a slide with a microscope... WHY then is lyme disease and CO's so hard to diagnose? Why not just use this microscope for DX?

Maybe what you are seeing is not lyme hatchlings Etc...

Maybe it is artifacts or something. I dont know, but I think lyme would be so much easier to DX if just one drop of blood would show lyme bugs.

Has anyone besides your ND looked at your findings??

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Yes, my doctor HAS verified this.

you dont know what your talking about.

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Did it cross the BBB?

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Have you looked at tissue samples as well?

How well does this stuff permeate the tissues of the body?

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James

I did not say that to be argumentative or tell you you are wrong... There is no need to tell me I dont know what I am talking about.

BUT dont you think if it were lyme you were seeing, that it would be easier to diagnose? If it were lyme you were seeing, why dont we use this as confirmation/diagnosis of lyme??

I am not putting you down... Just asking a question.. no need to get all defensive.

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Hi James,

I'd like to second a question that was already asked - were you using specifically the Lauricidin brand of pellets, or have you also tried Monolaurin, which is what I used to take for viruses. I'm curious because I want to re-start and am unsure whether to keep using Monolaurin or switch to Lauricidin - one Lyme patient felt she reacted more strongly to Lauricidin.

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I've recently been introduced to coconut oil.

Since I'm not a fan of eating oil by the tablespoon, I've gotten coconut cream concentrate from Tropical Traditions. It's 70% coconut oil, and tastes like the inside of a Mounds bar--with no added sugar!

Once you buy something from them, they send you sales notices. So, I got 4 large jars of coconut cream concentrate for the price of two. Should last a few months.

I'm sure this isn't as concentrated as the extracts, such as laruicidin, but its in a form I can enjoy along with the Mepron....

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My daughter is very allergic to coconut oil, I wonder if only taking lauric acid would be possible for her.

I can't digest coconut oil either, and have strong nausea followed by diarrhea.

Is anyone intollerant to coconut oil taking lauric acid without problem?

Coconut is known to be highly allergenic. Is lauric acid too?

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Everyone taking coconut oil thinking that it has the same effect as the substance monolaurin, should do a little more research. Humans lack the enzyme to get monolaurin out of lauric acid, so you would need to eat coconut oil by the jars to kill bugs.

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You CAN see lyme in live blood.

They SHOULD use it, but they dont.

No, I cant tell if its crossing bbb, I cant puck out my tissues...get real!

But...its said that it pene. the entire body.

laruicidin IS monolaruam from what I understand.

go to laruicidin.com to find out more I guess.

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A suggestion for consuming coconut oil - don't just eat a spoonful! It's nasty! Start using it instead of butter. [Smile] I mix it 50/50 with butter on popcorn.

I use it with almond butter on toast. I melt it over veggies. Sometimes I use it for cooking. It's easy to incorporate into the diet, but difficult to like if you're taking it by the spoonful. [Smile]

I've used it for at least a decade! Great stuff. I've never had candida problems.

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james, i don't understand how you test blood?

i failed all sciences!!! strictly english for me.

do you draw blood and then put it on a smear and put it under the microscope?

ya'll don't laugh...it's a valid question.....LOL

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randibear,

When I had blood drawn for smears at a lab, they cleaned my finger with alcohol & Betadine, pricked it with a lancet and let a drop of blood fall cleanly on a slide.

Then they used another slide to smear it across & sandwiched it between the two.

I'm guessing that's what James would be doing.


James,

I realize that you just stared using this, so there's likely no way you could have eradicated everything yet.

If it's supposed to permeate the tissues & penetrate the BBB, I wonder how long it would take to be effective in vivo and what dosages would be needed to provide adequate concentrations.


Just a thought...
There are things that have shown to be effective at killing in vitro, but have not worked in vivo. I hope it will work for you in vivo, as well.

Please keep us posted as to your progress.

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I did the lab work for a staff of three veterinarians. This was during my college days when I thought I wanted to be a nurse, 30 years ago.

Anyone can study blood smears under a microscope.

Your results depend on the freshness of the sample - prep of the slide - and the quality of the microscope. I had a high quality Nikon to use.

We viewed fresh blood. Often used a centrifuge (machine device) to spin samples which seperates blood cells from the serum for concentrated sample.

Certain dies are used to enhance viewing - depending on what you are looking for.

I found High power on the single slide blood smear with a dab of the Oil of Emersion provided the best clarity for viewing. But for "Live" viewing you will may need to use a cover slip.

James - if you are not using Oil of Emersion - give it a try. I think you will find it a great help.

I wish I was a friendly "fly" on your shoulder during your experiments. [Smile]

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I am using immersion oil..and a very thin glass coverslip.

I dont know if coconut oils laruic acid is alergentic.

I do know that I couldnt tolerate the coconut oil in doses that did much damage...but the laruicidin I CAN TOLERATE.

Thats all I can say.

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So is monolaurin and lauricidin the same?

If this stuff dissolves biofilm what happens to someone like me that's not on any antibiotics?

Love coconuts and am more than willing to switch from EVOO to EVCO.

Went to Amazon from here and found lauricidin supplements and coconut oil.

Hey, James, keep the info coming and thanks!

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aklnwlf:

I saw a few sites that listed "Lauricidin aka Monolaurin" so I believe they are the same.

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aklnwlf:

From what I've read, it will help your own body's defenses identify Lyme as a bacterial invader. Your immunity will ID the BB DNA and kill it. [Smile]

I have my horse on Cocconut Oil. I have not had her tested yet for Lyme. But she was on the same camping trip where I got bit.

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Actually your immune system is not able to detect lyme due to protein coat changes it uses to evade detection.

In fact..there are now known 1800 protein coat changes lyme can change.

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I don't know if anyone else has posted this before but I found this paper recommending blood smear analysis from the Cleveland Medical Journal to be very interesting: dated July 2008:

Blood smear analysis in babesiosis, ehrlichiosis, relapsing fever, malaria, and Chagas disease

BLOOD SMEAR ANALYSIS, while commonly used to evaluate hematologic conditions, is infrequently used to diagnose infectious diseases. This is because of the rarity of diseases for which blood smear analysis is indicated.

Consequently, such testing is often overlooked when it is diagnostically important.

Nonspecific changes may include morphologic changes in leukocytes and erythrocytes(eg, toxic granulations, macrocytosis).1 And with certain pathogens, identifying organisms in a peripheral blood smear allows for a rapid diagnosis.

This paper discusses the epidemiology, clinical manifestations, laboratory findings, and management of five infectious diseases in which direct visualization of the organism in the blood plays a major diagnostic role.

Our intent is to summarize the clinical findings that should prompt blood smear analysis so that these uncommon conditions are not overlooked.

http://www.ccjm.org/ccjm_pdfs_toc/July08_Blevins.pdf

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This is from the site that is pushing lauricidin:

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Is monolaurin in capsules the same as Lauricidin pellets?

NO! The usual 300 mg capsule contains in addition to 300mg monolaurin, a base of inosine 7.5 mg and calcium-phosphate 106 mg with inert ingredients: dicalcium-phosphate, cellulose-powder and silicon-dioxide. Lauricidin, on the other hand, is the purest monolaurin commercially attainable and is without any fillers or allergens.

As far as microscopy: if we were better organized, support groups would have microscopes to do what James is doing as a service. Fighting the entrenched establishment should be secondary to just trying to get ourselves well despite the total lack of support by the AMA. We need to learn to do it ourselves within support groups.

The AMA, insurance companies, big pharma are like a large battleship, difficult to turn.

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The cheapest but still high quality monolaurin:
http://www.wellnessresources.com/products/monolaurin.php

Lauricidin is a registered trademark to a specific company, that is why you won't see anyone else using the term.

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would it make any sense if i;m not on abx, only cumanda?
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Minimum inhibitory concentrations of herbal essential oils and monolaurin for gram-positive and gram-negative bacteria.

Preuss HG, Echard B, Enig M, Brook I, Elliott TB.
Department of Physiology and Biophysics, Georgetown University Medical Center, Washington, DC 20057, USA. [email protected]

New, safe antimicrobial agents are needed to prevent and overcome severe bacterial, viral, and fungal infections.

Based on our previous experience and that of others, we postulated that herbal essential oils, such as those of origanum, and monolaurin offer such possibilities.

We examined in vitro the cidal and/or static effects of oil of origanum, several other essential oils, and monolaurin on Staphylococcus aureus, Bacillus anthracis Sterne, Escherichia coli, Klebsiella pneumoniae, Helicobacter pylori, and Mycobacterium terrae.

Origanum proved cidal to all tested organisms with the exception of B. anthracis Sterne in which it was static.

Monolaurin was cidal to S. aureus and M. terrae but not to E. coli and K. pneumoniae.

Unlike the other two gram-negative organisms, H. pylori were extremely sensitive to monolaurin.

Similar to origanum, monolaurin was static to B. anthracis Sterne.

Because of their longstanding safety record, origanum and/or monolaurin, alone or combined with antibiotics, might prove useful in the prevention and treatment of severe bacterial infections, especially those that are difficult to treat and/or are antibiotic resistant.

PMID: 16010969 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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There are tons of essential oils yet to be tested. And of course there are combinations to increase efficacy of any approach even if it includes other herbs or ABX.

I take 3gm of monolaurin a day with 2tblspns of coconut oil and 20 drops of MMS a day. Along with the lightworks.

My doctor didn't see much lyme in me based on his testing. But recently he did find quite a bit of mercury and lead in my brain. So I'm back to detoxing metals using a cilantro extract. I was metal free in the rest of my body.

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Ok, in James defense, I, too, had a blood microsocopy done. No alcohol was used when the ND doc pricked my finger because she said it would mess with the sample.

I saw babesia per Dr. JS's pictures in his babesia book. I also saw tons of mycoplasma, and I saw tons of baby lyme blebs or hatchlings swimming. I am positive for Lyme by Igenex western blot.

My LLMD did a study on lauricidin with about 40 patients with a 75% effectiveness rate. I don't know, however, how much those patients improved. He also believes lauricidin crosses the BBB. Lauricidin is also recommended for autistic children.

Lauricidin is a brand for a type of monolaurin. It's pellets, and can pack quite a punch with Lyme patients. Big herx on just a few pellets, so start slowly.

Lauricidin is better than coconut oil. There have been many clinical studies done, and it is used in some hospital trials.

That's it in a "coco" nutshell.

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Yeah, I took about 10 capfuls of laruicidin on friday, and to my suprise I find very few lyme hatchlings or belbs today.

In fact...they all appeared to die!

I did find my blood is hypercogaulated so...I took enzimes and that really helped the way I feel today.

I am on minocin right now...probly take something for babs today too. but laruicidin seems valid...very valid.

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James, what happened to MMS? Do you still take that? I thought you had mentioned the combo works. Is Lauricidin even better for those blebs?

10 capfuls, wow! I can barely get bast 3 pelllets.

Are you still herxing a lot? Are you feeling better?

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Gee, I feel pretty sick.

Cheryl, since I have the ability to look at my blood for free...I have been experiementing on various protocals.

I also feel its wise to change often as I am sure they are adapting rapidly.

I did find mms and laruicidin to def work the best so far. But I was getting pretty toxic as it appeared so I stopped.

But so far...I found less bugs in the scope then anything else I have tried with mms and laruricidin

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jamescase20,
Awesome info James!! A guiding light, thanks very, very much.

I am thinking about getting a real scope, instead of the junk I have. Do you know if I can get a phase contrast & darkfield for around $1000? or do I have to go higher?
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you have to forget darkfield but you could get a 1600x phase contrast for about 700-800

And phase contrast is enough..

actually in some cases better.

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Check out e-bay for a microscope.
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Awesome, James, to see that effect under microsocpy. Once the herxing is over, I hope you feel better. You are taking pretty high doses. Think of this all as chemo for lyme.

Did you have any mycoplasma? I had myco bigtime under the microscopy. Did your myco get better on the lauricidin?

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James I picked these from a link that describes the benefits of some essential oils. If anyone wants to work with James and try some of these essential oils. We might learn its impact based on Jame's microscopy. Knowing a lot more of the efficacy of what we take, gives us a better idea of what works or doesn't. Just a thought! And again, thanks James for the information you are supplying.

From the following link: http://www.anandaapothecary.com/essentialoilchemistry.html


There are eight major classes of aromatic molecules defined by their functional groups. Briefly, along with primary therapeutic actions and a few example oils, these are:

Monoterpene Alcohols - antiviral, antibacterial, antifungal, both stimulating and sedative with an often uplifting aroma; found in Lavender, Geranium, Tea Tree, and Peppermint.

Sesquiterpene Alcohols - varying properties including anti-inflammatory, antiviral and anti-carcinogenic; found in Frankincense, Sandalwood, Vetiver, Cedar, Carrot Seed and Spikenard.

Aldehydes - antimicrobial, anti-inflammatory, disinfectant, sedative in low doses, known for their bright, fresh aromas; found in Citronella, Lemongrass and Lemon.

Esters - antispasmodic, anti-inflammatory, antifungal, calming and sedative with fruity and floral aromas; found in Roman Chamomile, Lavender and Geranium. Generally very safe, although methyl salicylate, an ester found in Wintergreen, should only be used in very low doses.

Ethers - antispasmodic, analgesic, antimicrobial - to be used in moderation, large doses can be dangerous; found in Clove, Anise, Fennel, and the Methyl Chavicol type Basil.

Ketones - Anticatarrhal, regenerative, analgesic, some are known toxins where others are completely safe. Oils such as wormwood and mugwort should not be used, but Helichrysum is exceptionally healing and safe, and Rosemary Verbenone is used for its regenerative properties.

Oxides - expectorant, stimulant. Includes 1,8-Cineol, found in Eucalyptus and Rosemary.

Phenols - Strongly antimicrobial, stimulants to the immune and nervous system, irritating to mucous membranes; found in Thyme and Oregano. Non-irritating varieties are found in Fennel and Tarragon.

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Table 3 shows data from an in vitro experiment on Staphylococcus
aureus (ATCC#14775) where the effects of monolaurin alone and combined
with Origanum oil were compared to the effects of Origanum oil alone. In
this experiment, a few colonies grew after 2 days of incubation in 0.125 mg
of Origanum oil or 0.125 mg of monolaurin. However, a combination of
0.125 mg Origanum oil and 0.125 mg monolaurin prevented any growth.

The above quote is part of this link: http://www.p-73.com/pdf/staphresearch.pdf

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