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m0joey
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Could anyone share their experiences with this with regards to pulling out heavy metals? I need to figure out if this is a good investment..I'm overloaded with metals, and really don't wanna stress out the oral chelation route.
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I used to pay to use one once or twice a week, and it definitely did help with toxicity. I'm not sure if it helped with heavy metals specifically, but it did clean out anything my body was having trouble detoxing at the time. I was tested energetically for a toxic load both before and after the bath, and tested significantly lower afterwards. I think it's a great tool to utilize to get through herxing or detox when on a particular protocol that is stirring up a lot of toxins, so I believe that if you use it in addition to a chelator or a protocol that detoxes metals, you will be far more sufficient in doing so, without the harsh side effects. Beware though, it does pull out minerals sometimes so be sure to drink a lot of water and up your salt intake/supplements, especially if you have POTS.
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thanks LL...btw sorry i haven't responded to your msg.. will do so shortly!
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Hey Joey,

I just did one last Thursday. My legs felt 'lighter' afterward and my feet tingled for a few hours. About 20 mins in I started getting really anxious. Lasted the rest of the day and the next day. It was acute anxiety, like i would feel OK and then bam! It was weird because I didn't feel like I was dying, it was like something in my brain was getting messed up, almost like a seizure.

It was freaky. I don't know if they can pull from the brain or what, but I was told that my water was really dark.

I've ordered some LL's magnetic clay from ebay and I'm going to use that. I used that in 2005 and the pulling sensation from my feet (esp heels) was MUCH stronger than with the ionic foot bath.

I'm sure you've seen the hoax stuff online, but ya know what? I don't care what they say, I did have a pulling sensation and although I actually felt MUCH worse following it, it probably means it did do something.

electrodermal testing revealed a moderate amount of mercury in my body.

Anyhow...let us know how it goes!

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Thanks ocean. I also believe they work; just don't know know how effectively they work
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I think an infared sauna might be a better purchase.

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Ocean, I would get like that too afterward! Our theory was that as the toxins were coming out I'd herx a little, and then afterwards I would feel the effect of losing all of my minerals in the bath. The combination wasn't fun, but we felt it was productive. I'd get weird seizure-like episodes too. It kind of felt like what I like to call "brain blips", where I'd momentarily feel like my breathing shut off and my heart and breathing skipped out for a second. Perhaps that's the neurotoxins shuffling around in there.
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I was just reading about this last night - pros & cons... I haven't seen alot of real scientific validation about it. It may be deceptive.

I don't really get how it could actually work. How could mercury residue or other toxins actually come out of your foot? Sweat, urine, feces - I can understand. Foot???

I was thinking of trying one at a beauty salon near where I live. Maybe try it first before taking the plunge & buying one. From what I've read - I don't think it's really detoxing. Maybe you just feel a charge from the electricity & the water?

It's easy to get a "feel good factor" from doing stuff to your foot. Maybe try a foot massage instead or an infrared or regular sauna or steam bath.

Like Ocean said - maybe try a LL Magnet Mud bath. You can do them with a foot bath, too. I think it's a better option but I can't say for sure since I never tried the ionic foot bath.

I'm leaning towards - it's not the real deal for this ionic foot bath phenomena. Salons & spas make alot of money off of them... so they aren't going to say whether it's real or not.

It may also depend on the actual device... some may work & others may be frauds. You may need to know the exact brand of device...?

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I don't have trouble conceptualizing how it works.. after all, the foot is skin too. I just wish some people had before/after samples tested either via lab or energetically
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Some LLMDs use them and tell their patients to use them. If they pull your minerals out I think they might be able to help with heavy metals.

I thought the lab tests for metals were hit and miss because you can have heavy metals yet they don't always come out in your urine and the blood tests and hair testing are not suppose to be very good.

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But why would the mercury go to your foot & come out in 20 minutes? I can understand sweating it out from your whole body.

I read there was someone experimenting with magnets & some sort of chelator & using the magnets to pull out the toxins that were picked up by the chelators.

I don't know how this ionic device could pull out things from your foot, though.

Believe me - I would like to try it but the idea is a bit far fetched & there are no studies that I could find that prove it does anything.

It may really depend on the particular device.

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Here's a pretty reasonable study -

http://herballure.com/Studies/IonicFootSpa.html

Conclusion
What We Learned From The Experiment

In our non-scientific opinion, the lab analysis of the water samples collected from this experiment show no meaningful patterns of difference in the amount of heavy metals present between samples that had feet in them and samples that had no feet in them. We had to conclude that the foot spa did not remove any significant amount of heavy metals from the body.


Although there were a few interesting trends in the experiment, particularly concerning aluminum, barium, and lead, the actual amounts involved were small enough, particularly when compared with the scale relating to daily human consumption of these metals, that we considered the differences inconsequential.

We believe that more studies need to be done with much larger sets of subjects and controls before meaningful conclusions can be reached.


We did not observe--what we consider to be --any significant trends during the course of this experiment. As a result of this experiment, Herb Allure decided not to manufacture its own brand of foot spas, despite the considerable potential financial gains that would likely result from such a venture.

Testimonies
A Possible Explanation?

Before a typical foot spa session, the client/customer is normally given a nutritional mineral supplement.

At least some foot spa manufacturers (actually all of the ones we've investigated) require that this supplement be ingested before every foot spa session, warning that the client may experience nausea if this step is not taken.


Most of the people we've received testimonies from, who received foot spa treatments and experienced various improvements to their health, also told us that any health improvements they experienced disappeared soon after discontinuing the foot spa sessions.

Considering that most Americans are mineral-deficient, and because mineral deficiency is the cause of numerous ailments and diseases, it is possible that the minerals administered before each foot spa session are the cause of the temporary health improvements experienced.

Of course, testing would need to be conducted to confirm this hypothesis.

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I'm actually pro alternative devices & remedies but you really have to look into which ones are real...

I wasted alot of time & money on stuff that was useless. Everyone is different & there are many factors involved.

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Ive heard good things about this one. I wish.. but am skeptical too.

http://www.amajordifference.com/

Dr. K and Dr. LC support the use of the ionics.. ??

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I did about 10 treatments in a foot bath at my ND.

I was skeptical at first, but after time, I started to see unusual black flecks appear in the water.
The dark particles are said to be mercury/metals.

On a few occasions I had cottage cheese like substances floating around, and that is said to be candida/yeast escaping into the water.

The water turns colors, usually based on the mineral content of the water when treated with the ions. It's not all detox causing the changes in the water. They are earthy colors from golden orange, pea green to bronzy brown to black. They all mean something as far as what you are probably detoxing.

It was relaxed, but I did not feel any different doing it. I do think some things did come out, but my guess it would have been better if I had been chelating prior to doing them. Not to just rely on them to do the job.

My own opinion is that the feet carry lots of toxins. I occasionally get foot massages and they can feel hard particles that have built up within my heel and ball of the foot. They can massage them out. Like little hard grains or pebbles.

During the same time period I started to take detox baths in epsom salts and baking soda. I found the same dark black chard like substances in the tub when it was drained. The tub was perfectly clean white before I got in!

It did freak me out a little, because there were so many of them, so I got a tweezer to pick them up. They were hard and broke into splintery substances as I tried to capture them.

I wanted to see if they were metals, but I was afraid to touch them if they were mercury. So I tested a few pieces with a magnet...and nothing happened. Not that I know if Mercury or any metal would have reacted to the magnet...I was just feeling scientific...and curious.

so I really don't know what they were, but it happened the next few times I took the bath.

Now they don't appear. And I haven't done any more foot baths either.

I would love anyone else to comment on if they have seen metals in the tub or foot bath residue and what they actually look like.

I agree with whoever said to get the infrared sauna first! I would love one! MY ND is now getting on in her office and believes this to be beneficial for all. But my ND also believes in the ionic foot baths. She follows Dr. K's protocols for them.

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Some of the detox foot pads really work - there are many kinds out there so do some research.

The ones I use have two places you can send them off to to be analyzed for what is coming out through your feet. I haven't done that but the more I use them, the less stuff there is on them in the morning.

They can pull metals out.

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I did about fifteen treatments. I feel in my case that it mobilized lead out of my bones but didn't clear it from my body.

The water was certainly a horrible color but I'm not sure it really is effective in fully getting metals out of your system as opposed to moving it out of the bones and tissues.

IV calcium EDTA worked much better for me and so did oral DMSA along with chelating supplements, cilantro, garlic, Vit C, Chlorella, NAC & ALA.

But, my feet sure did feel good.

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Lymeparfait - Do they use tap water to do the foot bath? Maybe it was some kind of reaction between the tap water, minerals or chlorine, etc. in the water & the electricity?

Pipes can have copper or lead leech into the tap water, too. The water in Northern NJ is not all that pristine. It would be interesting if they used distilled water. I'm not sure if they do or not...

I tried a couple of brands of foot pads & didn't have much of a result where I could feel a difference.

As to the pads looking different - it may be due to the concept that sometimes your feet may sweat more on one night than on other nights. I used a foot pad called AcuPeds & the gold one that some people are familiar with.

I don't know if I would trust a company selling the pads to recommend a place do the testing... I'm not trying to be negative - just seems like the lab would be biased.

If any of these things make people feel good - seems like it's OK to do it. As long as it doesn't make you worse.

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Here's a PDF file chart that shows the metals in the water before and after an IonCleanse session. There are significant changes, depending on the metal.

Note that not all types of heavy metals got pulled out - like Mercury - at least in this particular test. I think that could change, though, if you took some chelating agents PRIOR to doing the foot bath, etc. - like LP was saying. I don't think the foot baths can remove anything that isn't freely circulating in the system, so with a little planning, I think you could boost the heavy metal removal, or target specific metals or organs, etc.

http://www.humberparkerson.com/HeavyMetals.pdf

Joey, what about paying for a session or two and using your biotensor to `test' the water afterward to see how much of each metal you are eliminating?

I had about 10 sessions in a row, once a week. I thought it made a difference in my joint and back pain. I experienced that `light' feeling in my feet and legs a couple of times, too. I could tell when the week was up and it was time for another session just by the tension in my joints, muscles, and back. I would like to have done the foot baths twice a week..... but I was little concerned about losing minerals so limited myself to just once a week. I may end up with an IonCleanse machine at some point..... they now have a sort of `lease' option which might pay off if enough people used it per week.....

I'm going to try a FAR Infrared Sauna next. I think the saunas tend to deplete more minerals, though, don't they?

Sparkle, I wondered about using distilled water, too. Like LP said, when these machines are run (without any feet in them), the water will change color anyway because all water has minerals and `stuff' in it. But believe me, it's NOTHING like what comes out when feet are in there.

I don't want to be too gross about it but it goes way beyond a little color change in the water. This is scummy or solid-looking stuff; it may float or be suspended, or sink to the bottom. I had one color that was a really pretty, almost-iridescent aqua/turquoise color..... it went away after a few sessions. I did experience black `granules' in the bottom of the tub the last few sessions after taking a homeopathic remedy for sinus/cold problems..... which I later learned is a primary remedy in treating chronic mercury toxicity.... Maybe it was just coincidence. [Big Grin]

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I have used the AMD brand of foot bath. There's a lot of people out there that will debunk that an ionic footbath works. YouTube has a bunch of schmucks that vehemently claim it doesn't work. On the flipside, there are schmucks that promote it to.

I found that it affected me in some way. I can attest that I used one for two weeks straight and the gunk in the water was more pronounced than it was 10 days later. Same place, same water, so it doesn't make any sense to me that it's just the tap water. Don't get me wrong, and the manufacturer states it, but some of the gunk and discoloration is the tap water.

AMD is probably one of the best, if not the best brand, on the market, or they at least seem to have the best research available. I have a feeling there are other brands out there that are inferior and give other brands a bad rap. The natural doc I have seen studies his detox equipment extensively and he settled on the AMD brand.

For me, the first couple of days were telling by the gunk in the water. I'm not sure about the color chart stating where metals get pulled out, but something was in the water. I also did a couple of days with my hands and forearms in the water. I really felt an effect after that as my upper body felt like crud for the rest of the day.

I'm not a mad scientist and I can't really explain the equipment. I think there is some legitimacy about it, but it should be part of a detox program and not a single source for detoxing, in my opinion. There was a mention of using a magnet on the gunk in the water. I don't believe that will work because the metals in the water have been ionized, or deionized, or whatever the right term is.

I have also done the far infrared sauna. If I had the money, I would buy one of those. I believe the far infrared sauna was really effective on getting my detox system moving. I feel that the far infrared is a much more viable product that the ionic footbath. That's just me though and what I felt had a larger effect on my body.

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I used one a few times, felt lighter and started to bruise easily, which made me concerned about mineral loss.
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Sparkle,

It was definitely tap water used. And the literature they supplied me with while I was taking them does say that the initial color of the water is related to the mineral content in the tap water.

The colors do continue to change as your feet sit in the bath. The colors of the water itself does not determine what is being eliminated as it is a combo of the water chemical reaction to the ions and your own body's elimination reaction that changes the colors.

Each time they were very different looking. The water always had a very dense, opague cast to it full of ugly, gunky colored water.

There are particles floating on the bottom and around the water that adhere to the edges of the tub.

Afterward, as the water is being dumped out of the foot tub, I can witness the residue left on the bottom of the tub and on the edges of the tub and on the portable ionic device as well. My ND believes the scum that sticks to the side is the type of substance that has come out of the foot. It is difficult to clean, and must be scrubbed to get off.

That is the color she looks at later to determine what was most likely eliminated.

There are color codes for each substance.

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I was told a detox foot bath would make you either tired or hyper. I have experienced both reactions in one night after doing one. I definitely think it is doing something positive. My LL chiropractor offers them in his office along with oxygen at the same time. He uses bottled water. I find nothing more relaxing then to sit there and get a foot bath while breathing some oxygen from a tank.

I think for anyone who wonders about them just try one and see what you think and make your decisions from an actual experience. It makes more sense then reading inconclusive articles on the internet about them.

I would love to own my own detox foot bath. I think Scott F. mentioned he does them 3 times a week.

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Thanks LP. It's interesting... some "alternative" doctors think it's a fraud (like Dr. Weil) but some are using them.

I wouldn't be surprised if the particular brand of foot bath makes a difference. Also, the tests of the water may be inaccurate or not detecting something that may be sub-clinical that's happening.

I guess the best test is to try one & see if it helps. It may also be worthwhile to have them use distilled or filtered water for the foot bath - not just plain tap water.

I don't know how they determine the color as associated with a particular health issue. That would be interesting to find out how that was determined... Kind of reminds me of a mood ring (if some of you guys remember those).

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PS - This just occurred to me - how about if people are sensitive to EMFs? Does using this foot bath increase issues due to that?

Seems like "electro-plating" your feet in water may not be a good idea if you have sensitivities to EMFs...

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My chiropractor who I trust puts salt in the water if you muscle test for it. I did not so nothing was added to my water not even salt and my foot bath still turned numerous colors. They made the bath while I was watching and used bottled water so nothing was added.
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I have heard the type of foot bath, Ion machine matters. Do some research with practitioners you trust who have experience with it, and talk to their patients.

That's what I do before I invest my time, money or experiment on my body with anything.

I forget the brand used by Dr. K., but that's the one my ND uses and recommends. I hear some are not effective.

I think Scott F. has a site link to the one Dr. K recommends.

No extra things were put in my water as I saw the prep. If you are curious, it's worth seeing for yourself, and getting a few treatments done.

But I think to experience any true results, it needs to be done at least two times /week, for several weeks with some sort of detox treatment during the week.

People who believe in them and have seen results say this.


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I love my foot bath and use it 3 times a week. It is a G-Tech which I think Scott uses too.

I can definitely tell a difference if I forget to use it for a few days. I get what feels like toxic buildup. After using the machine (a couple of hours later) I feel a lot of improvement.

I've been using it for over a year now. I'm just now starting to see black spots when I pour it out. I guess its from heavy metals.

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It's true that some machines aren't very effective, and some of the cheaper knock-offs won't last long.

The chiro that has the machine I use was quite skeptical herself when she bought it. So she ran her own test with just water in the tub. The water changed color, but it was just a tint to the water - it was still transparent. But when you put feet in there, the stuff that accumulates is solid, opaque stuff.

I made the mistake once of `cleaning' my feet with grain alcohol before I went for a treatment - I'd put some lotion on my feet and ankles after showering, and didn't want anything like that on my feet to confuse the issue of what might be coming OUT of them.

Well, apparently the alcohol effectively closed the pores in my skin (and perhaps constricted some surface capillaries), and I only got rid of about half the guck that I normally do. So, don't do that. [Big Grin]

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I just bought the Enhanced Living ion spa. I figured my whole family could use it too, esp. my dad who has major toxin buildup.

Also, my practitioner tested me for infrared sauna, and told me it'd be a bad idea to use it right now with my weak adrenals. This despite me staying in the 95-110F range. I'll test it again after my adrenals get stronger.

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OK ...let us know.I bought the sauna and it really helps.

I had mixed info and that is why I decided to go for it .

Let us know about your eksperience.

YEs this things are very well investment when the entire family can use them .

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I have one and do use it. I think it is supportive but far from a sole solution. I think sauna is likely better for metals. I do both.

I'd still consider some zeolite, Bio-Chelate, etc.

I have the GTech Body Cleanse but probably would get ionCleanse if I were doing it again.

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I will definitely keep the oral chelators in use. This is just supplementary to get em out after chelated.

Thanks everyone for your help!

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