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lymeshmyme
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If one has bartonella is it a hard and fast rule that you would, at some point in the infection or during treatment, have some sort of bart rash?

Or does that vary from person to person, like the Lyme rash that not everyone gets?

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I don't know... but for me I have Bart but only had the rash AFTER I started treatment!! So I'm thinking it might be different w/ everyone.

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What do you mean hard and fast? Because I have some weird rash on my chest about 2.5" in diamtre, and I don't know if it's from the antibiotics or any of these coinfections I'm being treated for.
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I reviewed some articles on Bartonella, and there were photos of the typical "Bart" rash, and my rash does not even look close to the photos I viewed.

From what I understand, Bart also causes "stretch-mark-like" streaks, and I do not have those either.

I do have a rash that I attribute to Lyme. (I have not been diagnosed with any co-infections yet, but if I did suspect any in myself it would be BABS NOT BART due to the Lyme test results and the regional area in which I was likely infected).

I have rashes pop out "here and there," and they rarely itch and they come and go. For example, I will have a rash pop out and it will look really bad for about an hour or two, then disappear without a trace.

The most common area in which I get my rash (and most frequently) is the inside of my right arm from wrist to elbow. One day, there was a red line, as if someone had drawn a perfect 3/4 circle right below the fold opposite my elbow (inside of the arm). This line was in the midst of the rest of the rash and very strange.

I told my doctor and she said that this could be the area where I was originally bitten. She said that happens sometimes, and it could be true, since I have no idea when or where I became infected or where I was bitten.

I also get the occasional hive, which is also bizarre. I will get one or two and they will pop out on my arms or even on my face, usually the side of my nose. Itch for a short time and disappear without a trace just like the rash. The worst is when I get them on my fingers. Now, THOSE itch and swell and are very uncomfortable.

I don't know if any of this helps, but this is my experience with rashes, and it is very difficult to tell if they are co-infection related or Lyme related. For me, I think Lyme. And, yes, it has gotten more frequent with treatment, although it did happen before, too.

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Hives were either mycoplasma or bartonella for me. You probably have coinfections, HopesAlive. It's nearly impossible that you wouldn't. They raise your eosinophils (type of immune cell that responds to both parasitic-like infections such as myco, bart, and babs, and causes allergic reactions). Get your bloodwork and check your eosinophils, you'll probably find them elevated due to infection, unless you're actually allergic to something. This stopped with treatment via Doxycycline, for me.

nelly, I also had rashes but they appeared more after treatment. I had lots of little dots that would come and go on my feet that people said were bart, but I've only gotten the scratch-like marks once, and those were also on my feet. Most of the time I get a random bump or two on my hands or chest that itch for the first day and then take weeks to disappear. They always occur on the days of my bartonella flares.

There are over 20 species of bartonella. The kind that causes the stretchmark-like rash, is only one of them.


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