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lucky8711
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Well, I'm up with joint pain and some "physical anxiety". you know the kind that just is symptomy. Not thought related.

Figured I would get on and post about this cream because it works so well. Now I'm not in pain at all after applying...just up from the anxiety.

After searching and searching for relief from the moderate to severe joint, muscle, and nerve pain I am pretty much constantly living with, My Mom brings me Penetrex cream.

I have tried hoardes of things, from conventional pain killers to neurontin.

From magnesium baths to muscle relaxers, and of course a bunch of different creams such as Bio Freeze, Flex cream, and God only knows what else.

This Penetrex cream works Amazingly!

It numbs out the pain without a numb feeling. It dosen't feel cold or hot, and dosen't smell overly mentholish.

It is somewhat costly at about $20 per jar but it is well worth it.

I am suffering with Pain from BART right now and it is remarkable how instantly it works.

I know that we are all different and different things work for all of us, but if you are at a loss for relief I highly suggest you give it a shot.

http://www.penetrex.com/

So now I am just up from a result of the anxiety but no more pain...where applied.

I hope it helps some or all of you that decide to try it.

Merry Christmas!

J

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Thanks for the info. I just ordered some.

I had heard about a new prescription pain cream called Pennsaid - was going to ask a doctor about it - but will try this first.

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susank-

Awesome. I hope it works as well for you as it has so far for me.

Bare in mind that the more it is applied the better it will work. But for me there was instant relief which seemss get better with each application.

I just applied a whole bunch and am so content and comfy. Which is a rareity for me.

I will be starting a new ABX combo tomorrow so I am hoping it will be my saving grace through the Herxes.

I hope you find relief using it as I have.

Hugs.

J

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susank-

Awesome. I hope it works as well for you as it has so far for me.

Bare in mind that the more it is applied the better it will work. But for me there was instant relief which seemss get better with each application.

I just applied a whole bunch and am so content and comfy. Which is a rareity for me.

I will be starting a new ABX combo tomorrow so I am hoping it will be my saving grace through the Herxes.

I hope you find relief using it as I have.

Hugs.

J

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I would like to hear from others who have tried this cream. Thank you for posting about it. It looks good.
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I did a search for it and read the reviews at Amazon.

google amazon.com and Penetrex

that is where i ordered.

There are about 350 reviews - mostly 5 star,

I need the pain relief. I don't recall if the cream has healing properties?

If it works - it cannot arrive here fast enough!!!

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I tried to find the ingredient list for this cream. I couldn't. Is it on the actual jar or wrapping? Could you post if you have it, please.

I notice the company offers free jars to those who post a positive experience. Read the1-2 star experiences posted on Amazon.

Take care.

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Found the ingredient list:

Purified Water, Arnica Montana Flower Extract, Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower) Seed Oil, Glycerin, Glyceryl Stearate, PEG-100 Stearate, Cetyl Esters, Stearic Acid, Butylene Glycol, Choline Bitartrate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Methylsulfonylmethane, Glucosamine Sulfate, Ethoxydiglycol, Cetyl Myristoleate, Boswellia Serrata (Frankincense) Oil, Mentha Piperita (Peppermint) Oil, Cinnamomum Camphora (Camphor), Tocopheryl Acetate, Dipotassium Glycyrrhizinate, Polysorbate Sixty, Dimethicone, Ammonium Acryloyl-Dimethyltaurate/VP Copolymer, Diazolidinyl Urea, Methylparaben, Propylparaben

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http://www.ewg.org/skindeep/

Skin Deep (Environmental Working Group)

safety data base for personal care products
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Some other things to also consider - from the website of Bastyr University of Naturopathic Medicine near Seattle:
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http://www.bastyrcenter.org/content/view/527/

Peppermint Oil Relieves Nerve Pain

Topical applied peppermint oil may provide relief from a painful and difficult-to-treat nerve condition known as post-herpetic neuralgia, according to a case report in The Clinical Journal of Pain(2002;18:2002). . . .


http://search.bastyrcenter.org/b/q?related=0&rgn=Default&sn=161450967&e=bcn&related=2&keys=Arnica&Action.x=0&Action.y=0

Arnica search, various links


http://search.bastyrcenter.org/b/q?k=topical+pain+relievers&related=2&sn=161450967&e=bcn&e=bcn

Topical pain relievers search, various links
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I just received samples of a spray and clay made from Marajuana SP?. It is amazing and my MD and I energy tested it and it was a BIG yes.

http.www.xternalrub.com You do need an Md script if its legal in your state. She sent it to me after she received my script.

Blessings to it helping everyone. [Smile]

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Gigi..really? You get free product for posting something positive?

That really tells me there is a lack of integrity with this company.

Too bad. The ingredients look good.

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Who cares about the lack of Integrity! They aren't putting clubbed baby seals in the ingredients. They are selling a product.

If it works, I say use it.

I have been suffering with no rlief for I don't know how long? 6 years but this last 4 months being te worst by far.

I ahve o vested interested in this company and didn't post a review on Amazon nor did I even see that there was such an offer to get free product.

However I know that I tried it after many other products that did nothing and this one really hlped.

I hope people will still give it a try despite some negative comments on here from people who admittedly haven't tried it.


I am Herxing on Rifampin rigt now and the Penetrex is taking the pain away.

Sadly in this world everything is about money. It's a business. They are going to make money one way or another.

If the product works use it. If you don't want to don't.

But don't discourage people from finding something that might help them because you feel they are out to make money. and "shows a lack of integrity"

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Lucky8711...I'm willing to try it. I just thought that was a poor way to solicit positive comments. It's not sincere, and a little unethical.

I do know that there are writers who are paid to write positive reviews on sites such as Amazon. So, I take them with a grain of salt.

I can see you are fairly new to Lymenet. There have been people coming on here to promote all kinds of products. It is prudent to do research even if someone recommends something. Some things have varied from useless to harmful.

Soliciting and rewarding positive comments, (if in fact this is true) does show a lack of integrity and I will stand by my comment. If they are a sincere company, they should rethink this tactic.

My daughter has been in pain from this disease for seven years. If she can use something natural to give her relief, I am willing to give it a try.

However, we have to be wise in where we put our money and what we put in, and on, our body. As I said in an earlier post, I will wait to see if others find this product works for them.

My skepticism is a protection for you and other members on this board (I know, I know..you don't need my protection). I have no opinion of this product as I have not used it. And, I never stated it was a bad product.

I hope you understand where I was coming from.

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And, I want to add, that my daughter will be starting a new medication soon, and her doctor has warned her against even adding herbal products as it could conflict with the medication.

This is something to think about, which is why we have to be wise.

But, I would like to thank the person who posted this because it gives us another tool to investigate. I will certainly keep this tucked in my pocket.

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Kelmo, what is the med that the doc said not to use with herbs?? Curious [Smile]
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Lucky, your post is much appreciated. I have spent some hours here and there in pain for one reason or another and if it hurts, it hurts. I ordered one for a relative who is in pain. Wish the chemist had left the parabens off -- they are not to our benefit. But we don't have to use it forever. Hopefully the cause can be eliminated eventually.

Take care.

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Lucky,

If something helps, it's great to hear about it.

I'm also glad you posted that. Yet, like GiGi, wish they would have left out the petroleum products.

Still, it's good to know about this for occasional use, or to see what the active ingredients are and find those in other forms without the parabens.

Arnica ointments have been a nice relief for me along the years. Peppermint oil on a friend's knee saved her life, literally. The pain was that bad for her. She was in China when it became damaged and an Acupuncturist there suggested she carry some particular solution of peppermint oil. It worked.

She brought back one for me and that also helped my bad knee at the time.

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Regarding uses nutritional or herbal supplements,
some LLMDs are not trained nor comfortable with supplements. Herbal medicine is a very complex field. Naturopathic doctors (ND) study four years in post-graduate settings, plus, just to learn all they can about herbs, etc., along with all they can about the human body.

Some LLMDs have also come to learn a great deal and incorporate certain supplements so as to help protect the liver from the Rx that can stress liver function - and also to help lower toxins.

Without liver support, treatment can be much tougher.

Sometimes, liver support supplements can cause Rx to move through the body more quickly and not achieve the exact desired therapeutic dose.

However, there are still ways to work with this if the body needs support.

The LLMD and LL NDs who are most knowledgeable in these methods have written various articles and books in this thread where you can compare and contrast various approaches and learn more about the considerations of support methods:

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http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/2/13964

How to find an ILADS-educated LL:

N.D. (Naturopathic Doctor);

L.Ac. (Acupuncturist);

D.Ay. (Doctor of Ayurvedic Medicine);

D.O.M. (Doctor of Oriental Medicine);

Holistic M.D., etc.

Links to many articles and books by holistic-minded LL doctors of various degrees who all have this basic approach in common:

Understanding of the importance of addressing the infection(s) fully head-on with specific measures;

Knowing that support supplements are important, but NEVER enough alone. And knowing which supplements have direct impact, which are only support and which are both.

You can compare and contrast many approaches.

BASIC HERBAL EDUCATIONAL links, and

BODY WORK links with safety tailored to lyme patients,

RIFE links,

BIONIC 880 links, and

LOW HEAT INFRARED SAUNA detail.
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Healing in Santa Cruz. It wasn't our LLMD who said herbs don't mix. It was a dermatologist, who said she wanted to be notified of every addition to my daughter's health plan, and that included natural and herbal remedies.
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The ingredients may look "good".. but it contains parabens...NOT GOOD.

(sigh)

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Seems like the active ingredients are arnica, peppermint, frakincense, & camphor... I suppose you could buy those things & put them in a plain massage oil. It does seem like a good combo. I have a gel with arnica & it works pretty well.

Interesting about the marijuana creme... I think the thc has to be heated to be effective for drug useage but I don't know...? Interesting that it could be absorbed through the skin. Does it effect the mind or only make the pain less? I'm sure labrotories are doing all kinds of stuff with marijuana these days. One day it won't be contraband. Seems kind of rediculous that it's prohibited. I'm sure it could help people. I don't really care for it but if it can help people - why not?

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If you are looking for creams to help relieve pain, look up reviews for Cobroxin at Amazon.com and Drugstore.com.

Someone at LymeNet had posted about this, and I looked it up.

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quote:
Originally posted by Carol in PA:
If you are looking for creams to help relieve pain, look up reviews for Cobroxin at Amazon.com and Drugstore.com.

Someone at LymeNet had posted about this, and I looked it up.

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Cobroxin:

All-natural homeopathic gel is dye- and fragrance-free, and safe for sensitive skin.
Diluted cobra venom proven to be 80% effective in relieving arthritis pain.
Rub vigorously into joints 3-4 times a day for first week and as needed thereafter.

[Eek!]

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Yes, that woke me up, too. Looks promising.

I've also read of a bee sting ointment that many say was very helpful. I don't think that was a homeopathic dose, however.

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Other options here, too:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/3/24039?#000028

Topic: Looking for long term pain management
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I guess no one looked at the spray and clay I posted about.

She didn't give me the samples so I would post anywhere.

She gave it to me because I am sensitive and wanted to try them to see if they bothered me.

She may do the same for others. This is in Calif but if u have an Md script u can try it.
Just sayin [Smile]

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I am curious about the Parabens...I have never heard this. Thanks for mentioning.

I am sorry if I sounded a little edgy in my last post. It's the good old Neuro Herx I would imagine.

I do stand by what I saidd about the Penetrex working however am discouraged now about the Paraben thing.

Healing- The cream sounds good...don't know If I could get it here, although Ri is legal. Its near impossible to actually get a scrip for it.

I do use bentonite clay however and find relief at times.

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I am curious about the Parabens...I have never heard this. Thanks for mentioning.

I am sorry if I sounded a little edgy in my last post. It's the good old Neuro Herx I would imagine.

I do stand by what I saidd about the Penetrex working however am discouraged now about the Paraben thing.

Healing- The cream sounds good...don't know If I could get it here, although Ri is legal. Its near impossible to actually get a scrip for it.

I do use bentonite clay however and find relief at times.

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I asked about it, Healing!

They make you go through a big ordeal in NJ. It's supposedly "legal" for health issues but you have to be practically at death's door to actually get it. I was just curious about it & what they base their "science" on to use marijuana as a pain reliever.

I was in Amsterdam & tried marijuana. It didn't help me much. It was sort of novel to buy pot at a "coffee shoppe". I'm not sure why it's such a big deal thing here. If anything, alcohol seems alot worse of a "drug".

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healing... I never even saw the link. If you make a link "clickable" people will be more likely to click on it. Most are too lazy (myself included) to go type that into their browsers. [Razz]

here's your link:

www.xternalrub.com

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as for paraben, it can cause cancer. My dr also said for me to eliminate them due to my yeast issues.

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