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In the spring of 2011 Heiner Fruehauf, PhD, LAc sat down
with his student and colleague, Bob Quinn, DAOM, LAc to
discuss the finer points of Brain Gu syndrome, specifically as
it pertains to the treatment of Lyme Disease. This discussion is
best understood as a follow-up to and elaboration of the ideas
presented in Heiner and Quinns earlier interview about Gu
syndrome published in the fall of 2008.
Quinn: Welcome Heiner. It is nice to sit and have a cup of
tea with you to discuss one of the most perplexing health
conditions of this time, Lyme disease. I wanted to start by
establishing your own experience in this area.
Heiner: I have been seeing Lyme patients since the time
I started my practice, more than 20 years ago. At first I
wasnt aware of what I was treating. I was differentiating
symptoms and tried to devise a traditional diagnosis
that fit the overall picture as closely as possible. I see this
conversation as a follow-up to our earlier discussion on
Gu Syndrome. After many years of treating Lyme disease
with Chinese herbs, I can say with great certainty that,
from a classical Chinese perspective, Lyme is a specific
type of Gu Syndrome.
When I initially began my Gu Syndrome research, I
saw a number of patients who were young Peace Core
volunteers returning from Africa and South America
with intestinal parasites. Most likely, they were suffering
from a combination of different protozoan infections.
These infections wouldnt go away with the conventional
Chinese treatments for parasitic diarrhea, or bloating and
constipation. In addition to a host of chronic digestive
symptoms, I found a prevalence of mental/cognitive
symptoms in these patients, such as anxiety and insomnia.
I soon felt that the clinical methods I was familiar with
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at the time were not adequate to solve this clinical
Fortunately, at this point in my career I still had plenty
of time to shift into research gear. After immersing
myself in a lot of clinical case studies preserved in pre-
modern Chinas medical literature, I came across the
concept of Gu Syndrome. The word Gu is one of the
oldest Chinese characters. Hexagram Eighteen of the
ancient Yijing (Classic of Change) is entitled Gu !:
Rottenness. One frequently comes across the word
in Chinese language, but never really considers it,
including native Chinese speakers. It is like the word
magic in the English language. You use it to conjure
up an atmosphere, but never think about what it
really means.
As a clinical concept, I found Gu most interesting.
Every major medical book in ancient China, starting
with the Neijing (Yellow Emperors Classic of
Medicine), mentions Gu as something that is common,
yet very entrenched and difficult to treat. The most
remarkable diagnostic advice I gleaned from these
texts is that our regular diagnostic parameters wont
get traction in patients suffering from Gu syndrome.
Gu patients, for instance, manifest with symptoms
that look like spleen qi deficiency, yet the normal
methods to treat their fatigue, bloating, and digestive
issues do not work. As a matter of fact, they may
get worse with conventional treatment. It is one of
the diagnostic parameters of Gu syndrome that the
herb Renshen (ginseng), generally regarded as the
prototypical spleen qi tonic, is contraindicated in this
condition and will worsen symptoms. It appears that
in a Gu patient, Renshen, Dangshen (codonopsis) and
similar qi tonics boost not only the immune system,
but invigorate the pathogen as well. Therefore, one
classical Gu expert once stated that Gu syndrome
may look like chronic diarrhea, but if you treat it like
the regular type of diarrhea it does not work. It may
look like chronic constipation, but if you treat it like
regular constipation, it does not work.
Incorporating this important yet forgotten clinical
advice, I embarked on a journey of more than 15 years
of diagnosing and treating people suffering from Gu
syndrome. In this process, I gradually zeroed in on
a group of remedies and herbs that are in a class of
their own. Just as modern Chinese physicians have
established an anti-cancer materia medica in recent
years, I read through all relevant texts and worked
to establish an anti-Guor, in the widest possible
sense of meaning, an anti-chronic inflammatory
syndromemateria medica.
Quinn: You have an interesting way of differentiating
Gu into brain and digestive Gu categories. Can you go
into that a bit?
After a while, I discovered that there are two major
groups of patients with Gu syndrome. I labeled them
Digestive Gu and Brain Gu. Digestive Gu is
characterized by a condition in which inflammation
is limited to the digestive tract. Through the close
relationship of gut chemistry and brain chemistry,
this condition has the potential to affect the mood
considerably. However, in this condition the nervous
system itself is only secondarily affected, and not
primarily inflamed. In Brain Gu, on the other
hand, for which Lyme disease is the most typical
manifestation today, the nervous system is the primary
focus of infection. These cases may also exhibit some
digestive symptoms, since so many nerve strands
encircle the small intestine (which is connected to the
heart in Chinese medicine), but digestive issues are
only the secondary concern here. You can recognize
Brain Gu patients based on their fragile cognitive and
emotional state. Since the nervous system is inflamed,
patients are constantly struggling to maintain their
mental faculties, and often ride an intense emotional
rollercoaster. In addition, they may talk about
extremely sensitive gut reactions.
In Western terms, Brain Gu incorporates a wide range
of nervous system diseases that are associated with a
host of tortuous symptoms, and that in most cases are
hard to diagnose: Lyme disease, which is associated
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with the specific pathogen Borrelia burgdorferi; co-
infections of Lyme, i.e. babesiosis (piroplasmosis,
texas cattle fever, tick fever), bartonellosis (cat scratch
disease, trench fever, Carrions disease), ehrlichiosis
(tick fever), anaplasmosis, rickettsiosis (Rocky
Mountain spotted fever, certain types of typhus), tick-
borne encephalitis (TBE), tularemia (Pahvant Valley
plague, rabbit fever); and other chronic nervous
system infections most often transmitted by the bites
of ticks, mosquitoes, flees, lice, and spiders.
The most obvious ancient Chinese equivalent to these
types of modern Brain Gu infections is malaria. The
word Ne " (malaria) is often mentioned in the
Chinese medical classics alongside Gu syndrome. It
literally means torture disease. Just like there are
hundreds of types of spirochetes that can potentially
cause the variegated syndromes now commonly
synthesized under the term Lyme disease, many
different types of Ne syndrome were recorded in
ancient texts. In addition to the viral and spirochetal
pathogens mentioned above, they encompass a broad
range of nervous system afflictions endemic to the
jungle regions of Southeast Asia, such as malaria,
Dengue fever, and leptospirosis. The West Nile virus
also belongs to this class of pathogens. In addition,
many mystery syndromes such as Morgellons disease
can potentially be associated with Brain Gu.
In modern medicine, there is a common
misunderstanding about the nature of these pathogens.
Most physicians believe that they are highly localized,
for example in a distant region dominated by swamps
or jungles. They are viewed as containedas
something that doesnt spread uncontrollably beyond
its point of origin. Infection is therefore thought to be
rare, caused by the highly unlikely scenario of being
bitten by an exotic animal that transmits a bizarre
parasite. It is my personal experience, however, that
infection by pathogenic agents inflaming the nervous
system represents one of the biggest epidemics of our
time. I am basing this sweeping statement on 20 years
of observing patients who suffer from severe and
debilitating symptomsand yet have been diagnosed
by the regular medical system as having nothing.
Lyme and its co-infections make up about 30 percent
of my current practice. Most likely, a variety of
different factors, such as global warming, progressing
globalization, international travel, and chronically
depressed immune systems may be the cause of this
I would like to ask my fellow practitioners in the
natural medicine community to be on the lookout for
these patients. Dont be afraid of long treatment times
and symptom pictures that make little sense from a
traditional perspective. Chinese medicine has real
answers for these patients, and it is an opportunity to
work with this unusual yet not uncommon syndrome.
However, it is important not to revert back to common
herbal prescriptions for fatigue and anxiety/depression
learned in school, such as Liujunzi Tang or Guipi
Tang or Xiaoyao Sanin Brain Gu patients, you
wont make much headway with these. The average
TCM practitioner tends to refer this type of patient
to an MD, chiropractor or naturopathic physician,
most often because of a perceived lack of solutions for
this complex and high-maintenance disease. The Gu
classics of Chinese medicine, however, offer the most
sophisticated and clinically useful solutions for Lyme
and Lyme-like infections of the nervous system that
are available to us today. In treating Lyme, we need
to mimic the behavior of the pathogen itself: be able
to adapt to ever changing symptom pictures, and stay
ahead of the spirochetes ability to camouflage and
transform itself, by constantly changing the details of
our prescription within an overall anti-Gu and pro-
terrain approach. This is the method the Gu classics
convey, and what I see lacking in most modern
treatment plans.
At the same time, it is important to know that the
treatment of this condition is not as complex as it
may appear. I have spent much time synthesizing
the ancient Gu teachings into a modular approach
that can be implemented by modern practitioners.
First of all, we need to recognize that Lyme disease
patients always present with 1) pathogenic influences
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(spirochetal infection or, in Chinese terms, fengne:
torturous wind invasion), and 2) deficiencies on all
levels, which opened the door to the infection in the
first place. Every successful approach to the treatment
of Lyme needs to have multiple building blocks that
can be combined in flexible ways, and that address
both of these deficiency and excess aspects of this
disease. In addition, we and our patients need to be
prepared to administer treatment over a long period
of time. Otherwise, the terrain cannot be restored
and the parasitic load will not be reduced in a lasting
My goal, therefore, is to share a treatment approach
to Lyme that is backed by historic depth and age-old
clinical experience. At the same time, I will outline a
series of herbal building blocks that can be combined
in modular fashion, and which are simple enough to
learn that they can be safely prescribed in Western
TCM clinics.
Before we get there, it is important to emphasize that
both practitioner and patient need to be prepared to
ride what I have called the rollercoaster. Even in
the best-case scenario, these patients will be like the
proverbial canary in the coal mine for a long time.
Even if you manage to get symptomatic relief right
away, there will come the inevitable solar flare, or
atmospheric pressure change, or individual stress,
causing things to dip again for a while. For most
Lyme patients, two steps forward and one step back
and plateauing in betweenare the normal form of
progression on the road towards recovery.
Quinn: In your answer, I hear you emphasize the
words complexity and sophistication. One thing
I see when I look at the web sites of practitioners who
advertise that they treat Lyme from a Chinese medical
perspective, is that they seem to have noticed that their
Western medical counterparts are relying on a vast
array of anti-biotic drugs. Lyme-literate physicians
are trying to do that intelligently with knowledge
of when certain drugs are needed over others. Many
TCM practitioners, in contrast, are simply trying to
duplicate the anti-biotic effect with cold and bitter
herbs. Could you briefly comment on the practice of
relying on herbs that, in the long term, will probably
damage healthy immune function and digestion?
Heiner: That is an excellent pointthe Chinese
term shang #$(injury), after all, specifically means
injury to the warming (yang) forces in the body. My
Lyme patients often bring bags of cooling herbs and
prescriptions when they first come in. From a holistic
perspective, however, it is very important that we
restore the bodys ability to police itself. This can only
be done if the overall approach adds to, rather than
decreases, the bodys yang forces. This is the only way
for a Lyme patient to sustain the long-term treatment
necessary to rout the intrepid intruders. Lyme is
tenaciousthere is a reason microorganisms like
borrelia were likened to demons in ancient medical
The conventional treatment of taking antibiotics for
months or even years may alleviate the symptoms
experienced by patients. However, since antibiotics are
a typical example of a substance that clears yangming
heat, a price will eventually have to be paid for this
type of treatment. The word antibiotic means anti-life
medicine. In the most general terms, it is born of a
scientific philosophy that is essentially biophobic
afraid of nature, and untrusting of the inherent ability
of life processes to regulate themselves. This way of
thinking looks at life as something that is chaotic, in
need of being subdued and controlled. In contrast to
this, true holistic medicine is inherently biophilic. As
natural medicine practitioners, it is part of our mission
statement that we love life and trust in the complexity
and multi-dimensional quality of lifes powers. We
always want to do our best to work with the life force
rather than against it.
It has been a characteristic feature of western oriented
TCM to utilize herbs according to parameters
established by laboratory research. As a spirochete,
Borrelia burgdorferi belongs to a particularly vicious
subgroup of bacteria. A research-based form of
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herbalism naturally leads a modern TCM practitioner
to use antibacterial herbs. These herbs tend to
be primarily bitter and cold in nature, for example
Huangqin (scutellaria), Huanglian (coptis), and even
more bitter and stronger herbs like Chuanxinlian
(andrographis). Most self-help books on Lyme that
include Chinese herbs recommend materials that
belong to the qingre jiedu category of traditional
Chinese pharmacology, herbs that clear heat and
resolve toxicity.
In addition to these cold and bitter substances, there
tend to be many anti-parasitic supplements on the
market that contain strongly aromatic herbs, such
as clove, or the more astringent black walnut hulls.
After imbibing these kinds of herbs, many chronically
infected patients will feel better for three days. In the
long run, however, this type of treatment proves to
be too harsh on the digestive system and the immune
system. This is especially true if the single herb
remedies are not alternated in regular intervals. The
bitter-cold approach, especially, is what we see most
modern Chinese medical practitioners prescribing
whenever infection is suspected. I feel strongly
that Lyme disease is a disorder that Chinese herbal
medicine can treat successfully. We should make it
a point to learn more about Lyme, even specialize
in the treatment of this condition, but I recommend
avoiding the exclusive use of bitter-cold or aromatic
herb cocktails that are prescribed over and over again
without variation.
Let us take the Gu syndrome discussion a little further
by making it more specific to Lyme disease. As I
mentioned earlier, Ne is an ancient disease name that
warrants investigation when exploring the clinical
phenomenon of Brain Gu. Some Lyme patients even
exhibit the alternating hot and cold symptoms that are
so typical for malaria, the most common form of Ne
disease. Ne literally means torture disease. In the
so-called oracle bones, Chinas earliest form of writing
from 3,500 years ago, this term is often associated with
the characters Gu and Gui % (demon). Together, these
three words combine their dark symbolism to denote
calamity or disastersomething terrible, the worst
thing that could ever happen to you. These drastic
images can help us recognize a person who suffers
from chronic nervous system inflammation. Lyme
patients often say I feel like I am being tortured, My
life is terrible, I am suffering, I want a new body,
I cant take it anymore. Lyme disease is Gu and Ne
at the same time: a super-infection of different strains
of parasitic organisms that gradually hollow out and
waste their host (Gu), and at the same time create
great mental, physical and emotional suffering (Ne)
in the process.
What both Gu and Ne have in common from a
Chinese medicine perspective is the involvement of
wind (feng) and damp (shi), as well as the presence of
submerged pathogens that will stay in the body for a
long time (fuxie). The wind component is especially
important for the understanding of Lyme disease
and other Brain Gu conditions. The Neijing features
two chapters about Ne disease, namely chapters 35
and 36 in the Suwen part of the Neijing. Altogether,
classical sources list about twenty different types of
Ne. Wenne, or the epidemic warm disease type of
Ne, is most likely what we today identify as malaria.
Fengne (wind Ne) is the most common term, which
appears to be a general qualifyer for all types of Ne.
Ne disease is therefore not only directly associated
with Gu syndrome, but also associated with the term
wind. Note that the word feng & (wind) contains the
character for worm or parasite (chong ') inside, and
that hexagram 18 (Gu) is composed of the trigrams
Wind under Mountain.
The ancient Chinese creators of pictographs were
amazing in their ability to capture the multi-
dimensional layers contained in a concept or event
with one symbol. In Chinese terms, autoimmune
processes that often appear alongside long-standing
spirochete infections are also considered a type of
wind. Therefore, both the actual disease and its
potential autoimmune sequella can be described with
the term wind. Furthermore, if we slightly modify the
Chinese character for wind to form the word wind
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disease (feng (), we get the common Chinese word
for craziness. The Daoist sage Ge Hong, who wrote
one of the first Chinese prescription books 1700 years
ago, arranged his Zhouhou fang (Formulas Up the
Sleeve) such that his chapter on Ne is followed by
a chapter on fengkuang ()$(mental illness). The
terms feng and kuang describe many of the cognitive
and emotional issues that Lyme patients suffer from.
Quinn: What you are saying here about Ne is
fascinating. So many Chinese medicine practitioners
face patients on an almost daily basis with these sorts
of emotional and cognitive challenges. Often they
come to us after having been told by their PCPs that
there is nothing wrong with them.
Heiner: In many Lyme patients, not too many
pathological changes can be detected in the blood.
Their internal organs often have not deteriorated
enough to register suspicious values in standard
tests. The brain and the spinal medulla, however, are
affected from the onset. Tick induced viruses and
spirochetes love to hide in nerve tissue and create
their mischief there. Due to the protective function
of the blood-brain barrier, our immune system
has only limited access to the brain, and thus has a
particularly difficult time fighting pathogens in this
area. Lyme patients thus often have intense cognitive
and neurological symptoms, but according to their
blood work it appears that there is nothing wrong
with them.
I clearly remember one of my patients, a successful
executive at a leading computer company. She was
a young and beautiful woman in her thirties. When
she came to see me, she told me that during the last
several years she had become more and more foggy,
tired, and depressed. She wanted to sleep all the time
and to be in the dark. This was almost 20 years ago,
and based on her pulse picture I prescribed Danggui
Sini Tang plus some blood moving and detoxifying
herbsa similar approach I still use most often for
potential degenerative sequellae to Lyme, such as MS,
Parkinsons, ALS and Alzheimers (see Evergreen
Pearls). At first, she felt like she was getting better,
and chose to discontinue treatment due to the difficult
commute between my clinic in Portland and her home
in the Southwest. Six months later, I heard that she
had curled up next to her fireplace and diedwithout
any apparent medical reason. Today I believe that she
probably suffered from a severe form of Lyme disease.
Even in death, this patient eluded Western medical
The degenerative process initiated by Lyme is either
so stealth that it cant be detected, or happens to
make its home in a place where it cant be found. Due
to the general lack of medical validation this type of
person faces, Lyme patients suffer not only from the
tremendous physical and emotional pain associated
with this disease, but also from the fact that their
doctors and even their family members often believe
they are crazy. The people closest to them may say:
I dont know what to do with her anymore. She
doesnt have anything wrong with her, but she doesnt
want to work. She is so volatile emotionally. She has
completely changed. The attitude reflected in these
kinds of comments represent the ultimate torture for
Lyme patients.
There are lots of chronically inflamed people out
there who have never been diagnosed appropriately.
As Chinese medical practitioners, it would be
inappropriate for us to send them away. We should
work with these patients, and encourage them
throughout their arduous healing process: Yes, it will
take a long time, but there are solutions; time honored
solutions that Chinese medicine has to offer.
Quinn: In this interview, we want to get into the
specifics of which herbs you have had clinical success
with and also provide some nuts and bolts information
for the treatment of Lyme disease. But, before we get
into this, I would like to ask a little bit more about
the component of cognitive dysfunction or shen
disturbance in patients with Lyme disease.
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In my experience, it is really quite unique when
you encounter this condition in a Lyme complex
patient. You can witness this shen disturbance aspect
of the condition in one of the patients featured in
the documentary Under Our Skin. I am thinking of
the woman who was working for the band U2. She
doesnt look ill at all, and yet at one point she says,
You wouldnt believe the pain in my body.
I have seen similar patients who are saying that their
pain is off the charts. You can see a kind of vacancy
in their eyes. When you feel the pulse, it doesnt feel
like they are in a lot of pain. When you palpate the
abdomen, the quality of the skin is normal and there
is an absence of tight or tender points. When you do
range of motion exams, they have good range of motion
in their major joints. You are left scratching your head
and eventually you come back to that vacant look in
their eye and you think, Wow, I havent encountered
this with other people.
You can see how a standard medical practitioner
might say that this patient is crazy. There is no
standard evidence of pain. This is true even when
we use Chinese medical diagnostic modalities, like
for me the pulse or the abdomen. It is a perplexing
thing when you meet a deeply shen damaged Lyme
patient. Can you talk a little about treating this shen
component of Lyme before we tackle the specifics of
herbal treatment?
Heiner: I think we owe these patients a great deal
of gratitude. As I mentioned already, they are the
canaries in the coal mine of our time. Currently, our
nervous systems are being challenged more than at
any other time in the history of humankind. Lyme
patients are registering things that we all feel. For
most of us, however, our nervous systems are strong
enough to withstand the higher pitch of vibration that
comes with modern lifestyle and all the unprecedented
magnetic and environmental disturbances we are
experiencing on the planet right now. Recent clusters
of solar flares, earthquakes, tsunamis and tornados
are all natural signs of a heightened state of tension
in the environment. This uptick in energetic intensity
takes a toll on everybodys nervous system, but is
experienced as violent and anxiety provoking by most
Lyme patients.
In my own clinical practice, I have observed that the
one symptom most patients have in common, whether
they suffer from Lyme or not, is anxiety. Even if
they dont acknowledge it, they are suspended in a
constant state of restlessness and jitteriness; a fear that
something terrible is going to happen; that they are
not in control; or that there is always one more thing
they need to do. Lyme diseased patients who display
the shen disturbance you described are, in a certain
sense, magnifying this high pitch intensity that we are
all affected by in one way or another. In other words,
modern industrialized people, myself included, are
all shen disturbed to a certain degree. When you go
into remote areas where people still live in a tribal
or nomadic way, where people are still living in
communion with nature and are completely present,
you can see immediately that their eyes are completely
different from ours, so much more open and clear.
The eyes are, of course, the key to diagnosing shen
disturbance in Chinese medicine. I have seen people
like these recognize shen disturbance in the modern
travelers who happen to pass by their tents. Often,
they feel sorry for us. Why do you have all this fear in
your eyes, they wonder. As practitioners, we need to
remember this condition when we become disturbed
or afraid of a Lyme patient. Rather than questioning
the sanity of the patient, or categorizing Lyme
suffering as deserved karmic retribution, we should
let these cases serve as an extreme mirror for ourselves
and the society we live in.
Lyme is a big clinical problem now, so big that
we cannot avoid it. Sub-acute Lyme disease may
currently be as endemic as herpeswhich, by the way,
is another agent that inflames the nervous system.
Herpes is a virus that inflames the nervous system
and makes it more brittle and fragile in the process.
Some people experience no symptoms, while others
have incredibly painful and violent outbreaks. Lyme
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is similar that way. Individuals who dont have a weak
nervous system or, as we would say from a perspective
of Chinese Five Phase Element thinking, are not
constitutionally weak, can fight off the degenerative
effect of these pathogens more easily. However, in
individuals whose Earth and Fire elements are weak,
the parasite can invade the associated body layers
and explode in them. It is the weak nervous system
type that is prone to Brain Gu in general and Lyme
in particular. The weak digestive type is more likely
to contract intestinal parasites when exposed to them.
In patients like this, the shen may be disturbed, but
underneath there is most often a fuxie, a wind
pathogen that has invaded the body, digging itself
deeper and deeper through the six layers until it has
reached the shaoyin layer. At this depth, it affects the
heart and the kidneys. The marrow of the spine and
the brain traditionally belong to this deepest layer of
the body. This is where it is the hardest to detect a
pathogen and where it will cause the greatest damage.
In homeopathy, there are five hereditary miasms that
have great similarities to the five constitutional types
of Chinese medicine. The typical Brain Gu patient
generally belongs to the syphilitic miasm. Syphilis, of
course, is also a spirochete that is similar to the borrelia
spirochete, hence the nickname deer syphilis for
Lyme disease. Individuals with a syphilitic miasm
generally display a constitutional predisposition
for weak nervous systems. Generally speaking, the
syphilitic miasm is the darkest of the homeopathic
miasms. Tuberculinic types tend to be melancholic,
while syphilitic types have a penchant for dark and
hopeless moods. No matter what I do, they think,
nothing will ever change.
The biggest challenge with Lyme is not so much that
there is a shen disturbance, or that it may be difficult
to treat from a standard TCM perspective. The most
difficult thing is the syphilitic aspect of the patients
psyche, which is most often expressed by a gaping
feeling of hopelessness. Most Lyme patients have an
underlying voice in their head that seems to say, I
have already invested 15 years in the process of getting
better; it didnt work, and perhaps, I will prove that
your treatment will not work, either. In a certain way,
this mentality is part of the disease. Even my front
desk personnel has become skilled in recognizing
patients suffering from Lyme or other forms of
Brain Guthey are invariably individuals that have
a higher degree of doubt, ask a lot of questions, and
thus require a higher degree of maintenance. They
are the ones that tend to call your clinic shortly after
an appointment, saying I took only the tiniest dose of
the herbs and experienced an explosion of symptoms.
I feel worse now. I dont think this is going to work.
This sort of inner angst is a common feature in Lyme
Continuous education is therefore very important for
Brain Gu patients. Their sense of hopelessness and the
belief that nothing is going to work must gradually
be transformed. While this happens, you need to hold
the patients hand for 3-5 years, and in some cases even
longer. This is how long it realistically takes to reduce
the presence of Lyme to levels that the immune system
can handle. Our work is done when the remaining
spirochetes, if there are any left, are like lichen on a
tree. Lichen doesnt generally suffocate a tree, and
the tree is able to thrive despite the presence of lichen,
moss, mushrooms, bugs, and other organism that have
chosen to make the tree their home. Furthermore, the
patients immune system must be supported until there
are no more autoimmune reactions; in other words,
until the body is confident that it is back in control
and wont be overwhelmed by the scary invaders.
This process will take a long time. If the infection is
recent and the patient is younger, it may take three
years. Otherwise, it will take five years or even longer,
especially if the condition has been going on for
decades and the person is extremely deficient to begin
with. However, during this time the rollercoaster will
gradually be climbing upwardsmuch better than
the overall downward spiral they experienced before.
Quinn: You mentioned that syphilis is also a spirochete
and that it has overlapping treatment strategies with
Lyme. I would also like to mention a recent article
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that was published in the North American Journal of
Oriental Medicine that discusses moxibustion strategies
for treating syphilis that were developed in Japan. The
article discusses a few case studies that used syphilitic
moxibustion strategies to treat Lyme patients in British
Columbia. It appears that overlapping treatment
strategies for Lyme and syphilis are not just effective
in the realm of herbal medicine but also in adjunctive
therapies like moxa. Maybe you can use this concept
as a lead in for talking about specific herbal treatment
strategies, including strategies from your own line of
herbal formulas.
Heiner: To look at ancient treatment protocols for
syphilis is indeed a good way to research classical
solutions for Lyme. Syphilis is a spirochete like Lyme,
and it also causes marked shen disturbance in its
advanced stages. Syphilis can literally make people
crazy as it degenerates the brain.
Quinn: Let me jump in there. I like to watch these
detective shows on TV. There was a Law and Order
episode years ago where the husband was crazy and
dangerous to others. In the end it turned out that he
had advanced syphilis. His condition looked a lot like
an extreme case of Lyme disease.
Heiner: Yes, some of the other types of malarial
diseases mentioned in ancient medical texts are
Kuangne (Crazy Ne disease), and Xiaone
(Laughing Ne disease). If you look long enough,
you can probably find a condition called Criminal
Ne disease. This would include the impulsive and
compulsive type of mental dysfunctions we see so often
nowadays. All these are related to brain chemistry
issues that can potentially be caused by nervous system
Furthermore, it is interesting that you mention the
use of moxa to fumigate the body in traditional
treatments of syphilis and potentially Lyme. Moxa
cones are made from Aiye (Mugwort: Artemisia
vulgaris), a relative of Qinghao (Wormwood: Artemisia
annua). Qinghao is highly regarded as a superior anti-
malaria agent by both Chinese and Western medicine.
From a long-term treatment perspective, however,
it needs to be noted that Aiye is considered to have
a warming effect, while Qinghao and its popular
modern extract (Artemisinin) are strongly cooling in
nature. Moxa, therefore, gets a big yes from me for
overall suitability in chronic Lyme patient treatment
plans, while I recommend that the use of Qinghao be
limited to the first 6 months of treatment; even then, it
should be used in an environment of overall warming,
or at least energetically more moderate, substances.
Moving on to the more specific discussion of traditional
anti-Lyme herbs and formulas, I will start by outlining
the primary herbal categories I recommend on the
basis of classical medical texts for the treatment of
Lyme disease:
The first and most important category for a traditional
Brain Gu remedy consists of herbs that expel the wind
we have been talking about. The Neijing emphasizes
how the shengren, the sage and superior doctor, takes
great care to avoid wind influences like deadly arrows.
It is clear that the wind diseases and even the shanghan
(cold injury) disorders featured so prominently in
the Neijing and Shanghan lun (Disorders Caused by
Cold) are not limited to variations and sequelae of the
common cold and arthritis, as often believed. They
include the Lyme related jungle fever syndromes
I keep mentioning. Diseases that are classified as
wind in Chinese medicine exhibit a multitude of
signature symptoms, i.e. a fluish and malaised feeling
accompanied by a pronounced aversion to drafts and
varying degrees of wandering pain in the head, neck,
back and extremities. Most Lyme disease patients
suffer from these symptoms. The Chinese concept
of wind, moreover, generally implies a pathogenic
attack from an outside source. One Chinese character
for disease (ji *) literally depicts a person struck
by an arrow, a graphic image for the phenomenon
of external wind invasion. Lyme and other wind
torture diseases most often enter the body through
the bites of insect and other animals.
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To treat Lyme-like diseases, the Gu classics therefore
outline an approach that incorporates herbs with
wind-dispelling effecta relatively novel concept,
since most of us have been conditioned to use wind-
dispelling herbs only for acute disorders and for
short periods of time. The first and most important
category of traditional brain Gu treatment, therefore,
does not feature botanicals considered to be directly
anti-parasitic, such as Qinghao. It offers herbs that
disperse wind, and at the same time limit damage to
the patients source qi (like Mahuang, ephedra), thus
making them suitable for long term use. These herbs
should further be combined with internal herbs,
such as anti-parasitic qi tonics, blood tonics, and yin
tonics. This pairing will make them even safer for
long-term use.
The next set of categories consists of anti-parasitic
and immune-modulating herbs that are generally
considered to be tonic, particularly for the damaged
blood, qi, and yin aspects of the body. I have discussed
these categories at length in previous interviews and
articles on the general treatment of Gu syndrome.
The blood and yin tonic categories are of particular
interest in the treatment of Lyme. Note that Chinas
first single herb classic, Shen Nong bencao jing (Shen
Nongs Materia Medica), lists the famous blood
tonic Danggui (Angelica sinensis) as an herb that
treats malaria and other jungle fevers. Chuanxiong
(Ligusticum wallichii) and the rarely used leaf of
the same plant (Miwu), are particularly effective
in alleviating headaches. Headaches are, of course,
a major symptom for patients suffering from
inflammation of the brain. Miwu is unfortunately not
available in the West, so I began to manufacture it into
a powdered extract myself, and import them under
the Classical Pearls label.
There is also a category of herbs for body pain, which
is another common symptom for Lyme patients. In
this category, you have Xuduan (Dipsacus), which is
often used as a Lyme treatment in the form of Teasel
root tincture by naturopaths. I particularly like to use
Wujiapi (Acanthopanax) for spirochetes. I also use
Shenjincao (Lycopodium) for arthritic body pain. I use
Shenjincao not only for rheumatoid arthritis, which
is often a sequella of Lyme, but also preventatively to
guard against the emergence of rheumatic conditions
in the future.
Another category of herbs addresses the notorious
biofilm, a slimy matrix in which micro-organisms
tend to embed themselves. This self-produced barrier
enables the pathogens to evade attack by the immune
system, and escape the noxious effect of anti-parasitic
substances. This protective film is difficult to break
open, transform, or expel. The ancient Chinese
approach to Brain Gu pathogens appears to have
accounted for this ohenomenon, since Gu Formulas
regularly contain aromatic herbs that move qi and
blood and are simultaneously anti-parasitic, such
as Sanleng (Sparganium), Ezhu (Zedoria), Yuzhu
(Curcuma) and Zelan (Lycopus). In addition, the
earthworm Dilong (Lumbricus), represents the
natural precursor to the extract Lumbrokinase, which
some naturopaths and MDs now use for the specific
purpose of breaking down biofilm. These herbs
specifically address the problem of bio-film. The
Chinese have used this approach for eons: use a worm
to address another worm in you body, an almost
homeopathic principle.
Finally, there are the herbs with a direct anti-parasitic
effect, lead by Qinghao. There are lots of other anti-
Gu and anti-malarial herbs in this category. Some
are well known like Xuanshen (Scrofularia) and
Tufuling (Smilax). Others are completely forgotten
like Xuchangxing (Cynanchum) and Guijianyu
(Euonymus alatus). In Chinese, the latters name
literally means the arrow that kills demons. There
is a long list of herbs in this category, and it is from
here that most Western Lyme prescriptions are culled.
The next important category consists of herbs that
stabilize the immune system to treat and prevent
autoimmune complications. Spirochetes are recognized
by our immune system as a particularly tricky
invader; consequently, it often goes into overdrive in
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response to the presence of these pathogens. Among
the Chinese organ networks, it is the Spleen that is
most often implicated in autoimmune processes.
Some Chinese medicine texts, therefore, describe the
Spleen as the mother of all wind. On the Chinese
organ clock, for instance, the Spleen is located in
the position of the 4th lunar month, which used to be
called the wind corner of the zodiac. It is important
to point out that herbs affecting the Spleen were not
exclusively thought of as qi tonics such as ginseng and
astragalus. Ancient texts also relate certain herbs that
clear wind and blood heat to the Spleen. Three herbs
that I find particularly important in this context are
the classic food items Wanggua (Snake gourd), Jicai
(Shepherds purse) and Kucai (Hares lettuce). These
herbs are never used as ingredients in Chinese herbal
formulas anymore, but I find them exceedingly useful
and have begun to import them as part of the Classical
Pearl powdered extract series, as well.
The last, and perhaps most important, category in this
anti-Lyme material medica is composed of warming
and strongly anti-parasitic herbs from the aconite
family. During the last three years, when I synthesized
the knowledge transmitted in the classic Gu texts
into a general approach to Lyme, I concluded that
the use of aconite is indispensible for most Brain Gu
patients, especially in the middle and later stages of
treatment. I have found different varietals of aconite
to be integral elements of a long-term treatment plan
for Lyme disease and other forms of nervous system
inflammation, specifically Fuzi (lateral offshoots of
Aconitum carmichaelii root), Chuanwu (taproot root
of same plant) and Caowu (Aconitum kusnezoffii). At
the beginning of this discussion, I emphasized how
important I believe it is to work WITH the life force
rather than against itrecommending, in essence, a
sustained support of the bodys yang qi. The brighter
the bodys alarm lights are turned onand few
pathogens activate emotional and physical symptoms
like Lyme spirochetesthe greater the stress and
the gradual depletion of the bodys yang forces. At
the beginning of therapy, Lyme patients may exhibit
superficial signs of heat, such as rapid pulses, rashes,
feverish sensations, and nightsweats, yet these most
often mask an underlying condition of coldness and
exhaustion. Once these symptoms disappear with the
moderate to slightly cooling approach outlined in the
design of Lightning Pearls, Thunder Pearls, Ease
Pearls, and Dragon Pearls, the more the body will
be comforted by the use of formulas that warm the
yang and consolidate the bodys mingmen (gate of life)
Quinn: A few moments ago you spoke of the
prevalence of anxiety in your patients, especially
those who fall into this Gu category. In an earlier
interview we discussed this in relation to the Fire
Spirit approach to prescribing. I wonder if it might be
appropriate here to mention that briefly again, since it
is so different from the type of thinking that is taught
in the standard TCM curricula.
Heiner: The most prominent symptom of shen
disturbance in Lyme patients is anxiety and insomnia.
Anxiety, from a classical Chinese perspective,
represents yang qi rushing out of dantian storage
because the body is in a constant state of alarm. To treat
this phenomenon, we need to draw this energy back
into the box. If a Lyme patient has been suspended in
a heightened state of stress for years or even decades,
then (from a Western perspective) the system becomes
traumatized and the adrenals burnt out. From a
Chinese perspective, the reserves in the lower dantian
are empty and cold, while the remaining energy is
floating at the surface. As the teachings of the Fire
Spirit School of Chinese herbalism show, aconite is the
best herb both for warming the depleted yang and for
drawing it back into the dantian. Caowu is particularly
potent for counteracting pathogens, especially when
paired with cold herbs like Qingdai and Qinghao (see
the design of Dragon Pearls); it is essentially an herb
that is both warming and antibiotic at the same
time. Chuanwu and especially Fuzi are most suitable
for recharging the patients dantian/mingmen battery.
The overall process of recharging the bodys vital
fire without tonifying the parasites is a must, especially
if our therapeutic goals include a future in which the
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patient is healthy enough to fight off the remaining
pathogens on his/her own.
Two important things to remember when prescribing
aconite are: 1) Exclusively use genuine aconite from
Jiangyou in Sichuan that has been grown and processed
in accordance with traditional specifications (to the
best of my knowledge, Classical Pearls is presently
the only company that supplies this quality of aconite
in the West in powder extract form); 2) For purposes
of alchemical stability, it is best to combine aconite
with ginger (Shengjiang, Ganjiang, or Paojiang) and
licorice (Gancao).1
When designing a custom Brain Gu formula, I
typically use 12-15 herbs, with an average of 1-3 herbs
from each of these categories. I find it important to
consistently rotate at least one herb in each category
every 4-6 weeks. In this way, you can stay ahead
of the adaptive ability of the parasite, and avoid
triggering allergic responses from your own body.
This procedure can include minor changes, such as
changing Guizhi to Rougui, or Fuzi to Chuanwu
within a category; or medium changes, which involve
changing at least one herb in each category; or major
changes, which result in a change of the entire base
formula. Dosages vary: generally, I use between 12-
18g of powder extracts per day (equivalent to 60-90g
of decocted crude herbs per day), but in certain cases
of extreme sensitivity I start with a much smaller
dosage (2-6g per day), otherwise the super-sensitive
types may be overwhelmed by so-called Herxheimer
reactionsa common phenomenon in Lyme patients,
when the spirochetes are still strong enough to react to
a newly introduced treatment.
Most often I combine custom formulas with some of
the Classical Pearls family of patents, many of which
I created for the specific purpose of treating patients
suffering from chronic inflammatory conditions.
The herbal powder extract in one CP capsule is
equivalent to a decoction of 5g of crude herbs. When
only prescribing CP formulas, I typically use about
9-18 capsules per day for the average Lyme patient
(most often combining 2-3 different CP formulas),
and 2-6 capsules for the super-sensitive types (at the
The Classical Pearls series of patent remedies I created
in recent years has three primary goals, all of which
are relevant for the treatment of Lyme disease: 1) to
make available classical treatment methods that treat
modern diseases at the root, with strict adherence
to the highest standards of purity and safety; 2) to
uphold the vital principle of supporting yang in all
formulasworking with the life force rather than
against it; 3) to create modular solutions for chronic
inflammatory syndromes, which so far have not been
readily recognized as a common disorder by the
Chinese medicine community. Of the 27 Classical
Pearl remedies presently in production, about half can
play a potential role for the treatment of Gu syndrome
in general and Lyme disease in particular.
Quinn: Thank you for talking with us today. We
appreciate your time. I hope this interview will be of
benefit for those who listen to it or read the transcript.
Heiner: Thank you for continuously pushing me to
clarify issues and concepts that are at the forefront
of the medical needs of our time. Maybe in a future
interview we can explore the idea you mentioned
about the use of moxa in Lyme treatment. We need
many tools if we are to treat our Gu patients effectively,
and moxa is certainly one of them.
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anti-lyme wind dispelling herbs
Jinyinhua (Lonicera)
Lianqiao (Forsythia)
Baizhi (Angelica dahurica)
Zisu (Perilla)
Gaoben (Ligusticum sinense root)
Chaihu (Bupleurum)
Guizhi (Cinnamon twig)
Sanleng (Scirpus)
Ezhu (Zedoaria)
Yujin (Curcuma)
Zelan (Lycopus)
Huajiao (Zanthoxylum)
Dilong (Lumbricus)
Qinghao (Artemisia annua)
Guanzhong (Dryopteris)
Huzhang (Polygonum cuspidatum)
Guijianyu (Euonymus alatus)
Xuchangqing (Cynanchum)
Changshan (Dichroa)
Miwu (Ligusticum wallichii leaf)
Dasuan (Garlic)
anti-lyme blood tonics
Danggui (Angelica sinensis)
Chuanxiong (Ligusticum wallichii root)
anti-lyme yin tonics
Baihe (Lily)
Heshouwu (Polygonum)
Huangjing (Polygonatum root)
(Bei) Shashen (Glehnia)
Wanggua (Snake gourd)
Jicai (Shephards purse)
Kucai (Hares lettuce)
Huangqi (Astragalus)
calming herbs
for adrenal stress,
mental/emotional symptoms
Danshen (Salvia)
Suanzaoren (Zizyphus)
Yejiaoteng (Polygonum stem)
Hehuanpi (Albizzia bark)
Shichangpu (Acorus)
warm yang, draw life energy
back into the battery
Fuzi (Aconitum carmichaeli, lateral root
Chuanwu (Aconitum carmichaeli, mother
Caowu (Aconitum kusnezoffi)
Rougui (Cinnamon bark)
Ganjiang (Ginger, dried)
Paojiang (Ginger, roasted)
Shengjiang (Ginger, fresh)
Wuzhuyu (Evodia)
body pain
Wujiapi (Acanthopanax)
Xuduan (Dipsacus)
Shenjincao (Lycopodium)
Appendix I - Herb Categories
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Appendix II - Classical Pearls Herbal Formulas to be Considered
for Treatment of Lyme Disease & Other Forms of Brain Gu
symptoms & uses recommended formulas
Standard (Black Gu Label) Lightning Pearls, Thunder Pearls, Dragon Pearls
Shaoyang involvement Ease Pearls
Digestive issues, malaise, sluggishness Earth Pearls
Body Pain Bamboo Pearls
Headaches and pronounced brain chemistry issues Gingko Pearls
Food allergies Cinnamon Pearls
Degenerative brain changes Evergreen Pearls
Aconite based remedies Sugar Pearls, Ocean Pearls, Peace Pearls,
Vitality Pearls, Moon Pearls
More details about the medicinal use of aconite can be gleaned from another Quinn/Fruehauf interview,
entitled The Importance of Aconite (see
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The basis for that author's work:

GU Syndrome - 8 page pdf.


This author is brilliant in some matters but is not at all "lyme literate." Not. At. All.

Many of us have met various doctors or other practitioners along the way who think they know all about lyme but they do not. And they don't know they do not. But when they say they do, the patient pays big time in many ways.

I treated with this author every 3 weeks for five solid years and it finally became clear that he did not understand the intricate nature of borrelia. (Minus some time when he took a break and then I treated with a colleague of his, still following the "GU" model.)

Treatment for "GU" helped about 25%. And I am grateful of that. And I learned a lot.

But I also felt deceived by promises made, assumptions regarding expertise as treatment was a failure. Thousands of dollars & years of my life lost. Damage from falls and seizures mounted.

I do think all that this author shares about "GU" is VERY important and vital to treatment. But, it does not go far enough.

If treatment fails, the patient may then be blamed for "not accepting responsibility for how a past life may be involved in continuing illness."

I was accused of that. Though out of my comfort zone, I tried to keep an open mind and did seriously consider the possibility of past lives. I saw the special counselor he suggested.

I dug as deep as I could for several months and still just never could connect with that theory. So, I was blamed as wanting to be ill on some deep level. Though that assessment was neither correct nor fair.

I did everything in my power that I could to get better - everything. This was not my fault.

I was a model patient regarding diet and all else in my power. I did the mind-body work. I did the Qi Gong. I juiced. I had a positive outlook (amid fainting and seizures and all that went with that).

I still resent that declaration that it was my fault. An insufficient knowledge base on the part of the practitioner should not place the blame on the patient for failure.

At that time, there was no ILADS-educated LLMD or ND in my city. That has since changed and we have a few LL NDs. For anyone seeking herbal treatment, I suggest finding an ILADS-educated LL ND who can work with - and also beyond the "Gu" theory.

The nature of spirochetes should not be ignored. While important, the "GU" approaches and herbal formulas simply do not go far enough for tick-borne infections. Not at all. Please do not rely just on this. I wasted five years of my life on this.

"GU" issues & formulas are just the beginning. Just the beginning. Not enough by a long shot.

There is nothing that is specific to treatment of Borrelia spirochetes in the formulas other than Sarsaparilla (Smilax) and garlic. That, alone, in the amounts provided, is not enough.

I'm not sure what changes have been made in the years since I stopped treatment with him, and it's nearly impossible to read the article above due to spacing. Still, I've kept an eye on his work over time and heard from those in this area who have seen him.

As with any practitioner, some do well; some don't. It may depend upon the complexity of each case, of course.

Still, the unique nature of lyme, in all its cycles and forms can neither be ignored nor simplified.

As complex as "GU" treatment is, and as valid as it is for some consideration as a base, it is not at all all-encompassing for treating advanced cases of lyme, combined with other stealth infections.

It's the kindergarten approach. Without it, other efforts may fail but it will not necessarily get you to graduation.

I am very uncomfortable saying all this. I never like saying anything bad about anyone. Still, we deserve doctor who know what they are doing.

My words and accounts are honest and fair. My intent is to help others find the best treatment options possible by the most knowledgeable professionals available to them.

Money spent on one mistake can mean that's the end of the money, a waste of time when time is of the essence. Damage from lyme can be life altering, indeed. There is no time or money to waste.

I deeply regret having spent most of the last available funds down this avenue. But there was no other option at that time for me.

And, yet, I do take some valuable lessons regarding "GU" - but the "GU" concept is just the beginning. Borrelia requires much more complex detail.

[Writing is very hard for me. I try to be complete; being concise is just not something I can easily do. Editing eludes me.

Sorry for repetitions in my attempt to be complete or stress the importance of this matter. It an issue very close to my heart. I don't want others to end up as I have.]

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It's best to consult with an ILADS-educated LL (lyme literate) doctor who has completed four years of post-graduate medical education in the field of herbal and nutritional medicine -

- and someone who is current with ILADS' research & presentations, past and present.

How to find an ILADS-educated LL:

N.D. (Naturopathic Doctor);

L.Ac. (Acupuncturist);

D.Ay. (Doctor of Ayurvedic Medicine);

D.O.M. (Doctor of Oriental Medicine);

Integrative / Holistic M.D., etc. (Be aware that those in this category can have various levels of formal herbal &/or nutritional education, perhaps even just a short course. Do ask first.)

Links to many articles and books by holistic-minded LL doctors of various degrees who all have this basic approach in common:

Understanding of the importance of addressing the infection(s) fully head-on with specific measures from all corners of medicine;

knowing which supplements have direct impact, which are only support and which are both.

You can compare and contrast many approaches.


BODY WORK links with safety tailored to lyme patients,


BIONIC 880 (& PE-1) links, and

RIFE links.


What ILADS is

& WHY you need an ILADS-educated, Lyme Literate Doctor (whether LLMD or LL ND, or both)

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Keebler - I appreciate your courage in speaking out even though you were not comfortable doing so.

It helps so much to hear about the experience of others so we can consider them in making decisions about our own treatment.

Based on my own experience with many different modalities (not this one in particular), I tend to think that your assessment is likely correct. This treatment has some merit but is not the answer by itself.

Even some die hard ND's who understand lyme disease and who do not usually subscribe to the allopathic model of medicine agree that antibiotics and other prescriptions are usually needed. I personnally think that every tool in the toolbox may be needed. Again, based on my own experience.

It seems that many doctors blame the patient when they can't figure out how to help. It has happened to me on numerous occassions over the many years that I've been sick. It is very wrong and extremely hurtful and I'm sorry you were subjected to this behavior.


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WOW Keebler,

Very upsetting to read that this practioner blamed you for not getting well because of a "past life" instead of HIM either taking another approach or just admitting his treatment wasn't working for you.

Sorry you had this experience and I have no doubt that you were the perfect patient. Just to add, I think you were more than fair in your assesment of this practioner.

It's not bad enough that Lyme patients are so sick, and then to be blamed for not getting well is infuriating! Unfortunately, not uncommon in our society to "blame the victim" So sorry you had to go through this.


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Sorry Keeb, Made correction to say you "were" the perfect patient, not "weren't" I guess I still have some cognitive issues to clean up.

Anyway, please don't fret for a minute about your post. You are always fair in your posts to others. [Smile] and of course go above and beyond the call of duty.



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Jessie... please break up your post so others can read it.

Opinions, not medical advice!

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John Sebastian has a great line in "Do You Believe in Magic." "Like trying to tell a stranger about rock and roll," I often feel Lyme is like that. You can explain it but most people have little reference to it to understand it.

Many doctors also do not understand it (especially those in love with their lab testing) and look for other reasons why you are not getting well. Yet we are desperate enough to give it another try because we have invested so much in our attempts at recovery.

I really appreciated Dr K's talk that I heard on youtube a couple of months ago where he said "I learn so much from my patients." That is not quite but close to the opposite of blaming the patient because he or she is not getting better.

Thank you for sharing Keebler!

All the Best, MattH

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While regarding antibiotics or other anti-infective Rx, the same principle is important to remember considering herbal supplements - RIFE - or whatever methods employed.

And that is why it's so important to have an ILADS-educated naturopathic doctor / herbalist, etc. to guide any alternative treatments.

Bacteriostatic vs. Bacteriocidal (or similar thought to viruses, parasites, other infections besides bacteria).

Is the medicine strong enough to get you past the finish line or just keeping you managing better? A question we all have to keep in mind through the entire process.

Thanks to BigStan who just posted this in another thread:

Bacteriostatic vs. Bacteriocidal levels of certain antibiotics. Each different Rx would have to be considered regarding this issue, too. This paragraph is just about the Tetracyclines.

Go to page 13, the last paragraph.

Bacteriostatic vs. Bacteriocidal consideration

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Lymetoo, Sorry about the horrid post. It was a bad copy/paste job from a PDF. I should've just posted the link.

Keebler, GAWD, what an awful experience! So glad you shared it! I will not be seeking treatment with who you had, but with a local acupuncturist who I have yet to be impressed with. I'm actually not interested in the acupuncture AT ALL. It's just that he is the only source I have for the "classical pearls". I don't think you can get them online.

You said the pearls weren't anything special but when I read the list of herbs used in them, they were not anything that I have taken.

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BTW, I pity the fool that would dare to blame ME for having Lyme because of past life issues.

THey'd better hide their needles or risk winding up like Cary's mom in the Stephen King classic!

Sorry you went through that!

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here is a link to where you can download the PDF of the above article regarding gu syndrome and heiner fruhauf.

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ARRGGHH! Just found this "cautionary tale' regarding Heiner Fruehauf's classical pearls. Looks like I may not be doing this after all!

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Jessie I can see why yo might want to try something different or a new appraoch . We all keep exploring , looking for a key that fits our prison door . I am doing my own experiment now trying to improve liver function to see if that will empower my immune system to be more effective ( esp glutathione ) . I wouls like to hear Jesse what your result is with the pearls .

Have you known anyone who had success with this
mode of treatment ? If the author or expert can point to people with lives changrd by his treatment , I will consider . If he is simply touting his knowledge of various Chinese herbs , then he is simply trying to make a name for himself cha-ching ($) . SHOW ME THE PATIENTS (who are well ) !!


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please too much info and single spaced--argh

do not look back when the only course is forward

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About that blog. I question that blog author's education in this field.

I can't read it all right now and won't be able to for a few days but this I know:

the ingredients that are currently used are safe, and in line with modern advances. What may be listed in an ancient book as a basis of a formula often has been refined for safety.

While I have cautions regarding the treatment - my cautions only question the effectiveness for lyme an other TBD and other stealth infections as a SOLE method -

I have absolutely zero reservations about the safety of the herbs that come from this source. Fruehauf is one of the most well respected herbalists in the world.

When used as directed for each person, I am certain of the purity of his sources and his knowledge as far as it goes for GU.

I just know that he was not adequately lyme literate a while back and I see nothing in what I've read that indicated he's become ILADS-educated. I see nothing in the list that is a heavy hitter again spirochetes or other TBD.

Now, he may have learned a little more about lyme since my treated failed with him -- and I have heard of some locally who have seen good improvements with the GU methods. Now whether that is directly relating to lyme or other TBD, not sure - also not sure what other treatment they've incorporated.

To be clear and fair, in no way do I question the safety but, rather, the effectiveness for lyme. Don't toss it all out, as there are some excellent aspects. Just be sure to work with an ILADS-educated LL herbalist.

IMO, the GU approach would be excellent and is very important for many reasons - just not that alone.

I have a project that I must focus on so will come back in a couple days to read the blog more fully but my impression is that the author may not be fully educated in the field of herbal medicine and the changes that are in place.

You can read more about some of these concerns, and even just search "safety" here:

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