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Hominahomina
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Phoiph
In general I agree
Not in my case
That is why I said that is how I do it

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Well, you have to consider that people from all over the world are reading this thread and looking for advice...
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Good point Phoiph
That is what I did in my situation as I said
Of course people should do their due diligence on grounding

I would like to hear if others do it and how

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Hello All
Just wondering if any of you have tried double dives in a day for example two 1/2 hour or longer dives spaced out Did you get better results or not?

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HI all~

I just came on to post just the opposite and curious what others think.
I recently cut back to 45 min dives. My last 5 (daily) were 45 minutes. (I'm on dive 418). I decided to try it again as my sleep was getting disrupted and I've found before when I've skipped the occasional day that I sleep through the night.
Well, I'm here for chronic diarrhea and food sensitivities. The last 4 days, my stools have been formed and this morning, hard, almost constiplated. Prior to this but recently, they've been formed but bordering on soft and almost loose (sorry for the TMI).
I went back through my notes and noticed that the last time I tried this (back around dives 311-316), I also recorded formed, almost hard stools.
Then I remembered that I did just 40 min at the clinic for the first 3 months before buying my chamber. And I was SOLD on mHBOT because my stools went from diarrhea to formed after my 3rd ever treatment.

Any thoughts on why my stools might be "more" formed with a 45 minute dive vs. 60 minute?

My sleep has also been better.

The reason I went back up to an hour is that I like the "break" from life-LOL. And I frequently do digital jigsaw puzzles in the chamber and sometimes don't have time to finish a puzzle in 45 min but almost always in an hour-LOL.

My main goal is to be able to expand my diet. I'm not sure if this means I'll be able to do it or not or just that my stools are perfectly formed (LOL)

But again, any thoughts why less seems to be more in my case?

Thanks all. Happy diving!
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I dont know about your case but i found 40mins to be way more productive than 1 hour. Less side effects, and that means more therapeutic effect. Too much oxidative stress sends me in a downward spiral. A little is good, too much is bad. That is way i use a huge variety of supplements to boost antioxidant reserves.
But you know, that is just my case [Wink]

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S13
How often do you do 40 min dives and at what ATA?
What kind of side effects?
What kind of supplements?

Thanks

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S13 that is interesting. I may want to try shorter dives to see what happens. I remember reading that taking too many anti-oxidant supplements while diving can be counter-productive as well - taking away the benefits of mHBOT. I hope someone can chime in here on that. Thank you!
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I do one dive per day at 1.3ATA. When im traveling i might increase the pressure to compensate for elevation. I find i need to add about 0.01ATA for every 100m (~300ft?) of elevation. So at 1000m elevation 1.4ATA works for me. Going to low and i lose the therapeutic effects completely and within days symptoms start to resurface. There seems to be a certain threshold where the lyme bacteria starts to get affected (annoyed, goes in to hiding, cystic form or whatever). But below the threshold it just doesnt care.

So, side effects of too much oxidative stress for me is just a general downward spiral of symptoms. Most immediate ones are increased restless legs, heart rhythm problems, fatigue, general sense of unwellness / sick feeling, nausea, depression, dizziness and brain fog. Just by staying too long in the mhbot with too high pressure i can induce those symptoms. Not a good thing... And no its not herxing, ive learned my lessons the hard way over the years.

As far as antioxidant supplements go, i heavily use NADH, SOD, Gamma tocopherol (vit E) and Vit C (both water and fat soluble).
Ive not found them to be counterproductive with mhbot, instead they make me feel a lot better and allow me to benefit more from the therapy.

But Im just one of those persons with a clear negative antioxidant balance (probably some genetics involved here). So adding antioxidants is of great benefit. That might not apply to everyone obviously.

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S13, so do you take those before or after your dive?

Homina, for Lyme patients, I believe diving twice a day to be counterproductive. On the FB group, usually the ones diving twice a day are traumatic brain injury patients, not people with tick born infections.

Carbokitty, I do not know the science behind your situation. But it certainly sounds like you found a sweet spot for diving. If this was me, I would continue at that time, until things change. There is a paper that speaks of "less is more" in regards to children with CP and diving. I think too many times when it comes to medical things we think that more is better. Obviously, for you, that is not the case right now.

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S13 Thanks That is useful information .
I think grounding is a form of antioxident as it permits a flow of free electrons (Not electricity) into the body. That may explain why I feel better grounding while diving.

About elevation I am wondering if mHBOT is ineffective at higher elevations in all cases?

KGG
Can you explain why two dives a day is counterproductive? Thanks

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Homina, I have permission to quote Phoiph. This is what was written back in Feb 2016 in response to Toywalk.

"It is really a matter of balance.

Free radicals are a natural part of our metabolism and play a crucial role in health. Too many, and we have "oxidative stress". Too few, and we have less defenses against pathogens, for example.

mHBOT creates free radicals, and also stimulates the body to produce more of its natural antioxidants to compensate.

Taking too many "artificial" antioxidants (i.e., in isolation; not from food) is now being shown to be detrimental for a number of reasons. In theory, taking too many antioxidants while doing mHBOT could thwart the beneficial action of free radicals.

On the flip side, doing TOO much mHBOT (i.e., multiple times per day...just like too much of any good thing) could surpass the body's ability to keep up with antioxidant production, creating oxidative stress.

Here are some good articles on the subject:

Oxidative stress is fundamental to hyperbaric oxygen therapy, by Stephen R. Thom. Journal of Applied Physi9ology 106:988-995, 2009: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2660252/

Interview with Dr. Dan A. Rossignol: Hyperbaric oxygen therapy may improve symptoms in autistic children in Medical Hypothesis: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.drneubrander.com%2FFiles%2FRossignol%2520Medical%2520Veritas.pdf&ei=VM JAVJmqOc_koAS12oLADQ&usg=AFQjCNFhj2W68J1Gxz_TDqfBAJ7oNPIqDw

The Effects of Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy on Oxidative Stress, Inflammation, and Symptoms in Children with Autism: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18005455

Antioxidant Supplements – Not So Good! http://www.greenpasture.org/fermented-cod-liver-oil-butter-oil-vitamin-d-vitamin-a/antioxidant-
supplements—not-so-good/

Note: That last link appears to have been removed from the internet. Here's a couple more:

http://www.abc.net.au/health/features/stories/2013/10/01/3859751.htm

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19433800"

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Thanks KGG
In chatting recently online with Dr Sonners he suggested two dives a day for Lyme bartonella etc.
(He did not specify how long each dive should be in this discussion)


I agree that diving too much (overdoing it) may not be of benefit. Everyone is different and after carefully considering the information provided I can decide through trial and error what works best for me including how long and how frequently I dive in a day

I don't think there is a hard and fast rule

Thanks

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I agree. We are all very individual. It is just that typically by the time a Lyme patient is using mHBOT they are fairly sick. So for them diving twice a day would be way too much. Additionally, I have found that the Lyme docs or health professionals that have the more-is-better attitude are people who are not sick and do not know the reality of a herx reaction and or feeling worse from a treatment instead of better. So no, not a hard and fast rule. A general guideline that I find sound. fwiw
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Great resources kgg. Thanks to you and Phoiph! This reminds me of why I may want to reduce some of the nutritional supplements I have been taking. They could be counterproductive.
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kgg I agree that to much diving while ill at first is unwise. I don't think you or anyone has the authority to say two dives a day is too much. It could be two short dives. Each person after doing research must decide for him or herself

dppei
I just read a post by a person on facebook that claims increasing his anitoxidents improved his recovery. It gets confusing. I can say I use NAC in conjunction with Coffee enemas which increases glutathione and I have benefited from this

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Homina,

I don't believe anyone here is claiming to have "authority" on protocols.

Kgg stated that it was not a hard and fast rule, but a general guideline that happens to work for most of us who have been involved with mHBOT for years.

The info kgg shared is hard won through a lot of people's trial and error, research, and seeking of expert opinions, in the spirit that others will have an easier path and not have to re-invent the wheel or experience the same setbacks.

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Phoiph and all
I also have my trial and error so I share it here
I have been trying double diving and 90 minute dives

I tried two one hour dives in a day and that was too much so I dropped down to 25 to 30 minute dives spaced about 4 hours apart and enjoyed good results
I am not going to give a report yet because it is too soon

I have been doing 90 minute dives for a few months
not every dive but when I can. When I started the 90 minutes it was at that point I noticed the greatest reduction of symptoms.

I have to mention I have been diving for quite some time and I had to build up to it also the reduction of symptoms could be because I have been diving for a few years in conjunction with the 90 minute

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HBOT as it relates to Lyme
Dr Jason Sonners

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCaWOsHIB0c

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Homina,

Thank you for the link. I appreciate that Dr. Sonners is promoting hyperbaric for Lyme.

The video brought up a couple of points that I feel are worth commenting on, especially for those new to the thread/mild hyperbaric.

Dr. Sonners stated that the study was designed to determine how Lyme patients responded to HBOT at different pressures, and that it was found that it "took a pressure of 2.36 ATA to kill the infection".

I believe the study that he is referring to (as per the reference posted below his video) is a from a 1990 Pilot Program at Texas A&M University, published by Fife in 1998:

Effects of Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy on Lyme Disease: hbotxofpalmbeach.com/study_pdfs/Lyme-Fife.pdf

This study wasn't actually designed to determine the effects of different pressures on Lyme symptoms, as all subjects were treated at the same pressure of 2.36 ATA. It did use earlier research (Austin) that determined at what pressure spirochetes would be killed in a lab setting (in vitro). This finding was used to estimate a pressure that would be higher than adequate to kill spirochetes in a human being (in vivo). As it turned out, 2.36 ATA was used as it fell into the upper level of this range, and was thought would be tolerable by subjects.

My point is this: unfortunately, the LOWEST level of pressure required to kill spirochetes in vivo was not reported in this study, and to my knowledge, it has still not been studied. Using Austin's data from the Fife study, it would seem likely that a much lower pressure could be lethal to spirochetes than what was reported.

I feel this is important to point out because many people, especially to those new to hyperbaric, may have read the Fife study and feel they must use high pressure in order to "kill the bugs"

Fortunately, we now understand the power of lower pressures used consistently over time, which may directly "kill the bugs", but more importantly, enhances the immune system which is the ultimate weapon.

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Hi, Friends,

Just checking in again---every few months I like to catch up on what people are doing and their results.

I've noticed that I start to get "edgy" in the chamber after about 40 minutes, and just want to get out and do stuff.

So, this discussion of time in the chamber has been very interesting to me!

I think I'll try getting out when I feel like it, instead of forcing myself to stay in the chamber for an hour.

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I sometimes feel ready to leave the chamber sooner than an hour is up also. It will be interesting to see how you do with shorter dives, Cass A. I remember reading that you can get more healing benefit out of 2 short dives than one long one.

I am considering taking a break of a few weeks or decreasing the frequency of my dives to see if it makes me feel any better. I am at 245 dives and looking back on the past few months, I have noticed that I have seemed to reach a plateau and I am more symptomatic than I was a few months ago.

The doc who runs the mhbot clinic who introduced me to mhbot told me he recommends taking a few weeks off after every 40 consecutive dives, as healing often takes place during the break. For those of you who have been diving for a while, what has your experience been with taking breaks?

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I really tried hard to dive daily for 2 years. I may have missed a day here and there, but did not take a break. I too have read the suggestion to take a break after 40 dives. But I wonder if it was suggested in the context of treating tick born infections. Not sure I would have made much progress if I took a few weeks off every 40 dives. But that is just me.
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Out of curiosity
Do any of you do yearly or bi-yearly cleanses
If so what kind of cleanse do you do?


Thanks

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I will try to locate the source, but I have read that it takes at least 40 minutes for full oxygen saturation to take place, which is why an hour has been a recommended standard treatment time.
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For what it's worth
When I first started mHBOT in a clinic
The owner said
Its takes 45 min for full oxygen saturation
I am paraphrasing because I don't remember her exact words

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Curious as to why you might think that separated 25 minute dives might be better then?
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I did not say better I think it depends on the person and what they want to accomplish

Two 25 to 30 min dives separated by 4 or 5 hours
seemed to be gentler on the system easier to get to sleep later in the day
This an unscientific review I would need more time with the practice to give more detail

Two 30 min sessions wasn't overkill for me
Two one hour sessions was in my case
Thanks

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Interesting article on HBOT and aging:

Article: In a First, Scientists Say They've Partially Reversed a Cellular Aging Process in Humans

https://www.sciencealert.com/oxygen-therapy-found-to-turn-back-the-sands-of-time-on-our-body-s-aging-me cells

Here is the link to the actual study:

https://www.aging-us.com/article/202188/text

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@dbpei

245 dives in and you are feeling worse, that’s a good sign. I was not doing so well either. As I look aback at my journal I was having bouts of nausea, a 6 day headache, body stiffness, fatigue, and night sweats. I had many ups and down days and really wasn’t until after the first year I knew I was on my way to doing much better.
Stick with it, some people take longer to peel back the layers and don’t rule out alternative therapies to help with some of these issues. Examples I used were acupuncture, homeopathy, and hormone therapy.

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Agreed.

At 8 months, I was also still in rough/fragile condition.

I did experience a very slow (and sometimes difficult to discern) two steps forward, one step back pattern if I analyzed the big picture.

I am grateful every day that I kept at it.

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Peimomma and Phoiph, thanks for your insights and sharing your experiences. It can be perplexing, wondering if we are doing the right thing. I am in it for the long haul - especially after knowing how much hanging in there has helped you both! Thanks for your support.
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This is probably a long shot but...has anyone tried to put an OxyHealth mattress in a Newtowne chamber? If so, does it fit well?
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I have a newtowne and use the mattress that came with it (I find it to be pretty comfy). But FYI, I recently bought a bedrest pillow on Amazon that I like better than using 3 pillows to prop me up.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B013TETVT4/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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Thanks dbpei. I had an OxyHealth prior to owning a Newtowne and I found the OxyHealth mattress much more comfortable. I should probably just suck it up and use the one it came with but I spend a fair amount of time in there and love my creature comforts. ;^)

I use a bed wedge to raise my head but that pillow looks really comfy!

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Digby, I had a Vitaeris and now a Newtowne 34". I would think the mattress would fit. Although I am picturing the OxyHealth one a little less wide. For me, comfort wise it would not be worth the $$ to buy one to put in the other. fwiw.
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kgg, thanks. Do you notice a difference in the mattresses? I find the Newtowne tends to shift around more and isn't as comfortable but I'm questioning my memory on that.
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So I'm on here, not completely sure I have Lyme. Definitely had mold exposure and benefitted greatly from mHBOT. My ongoing symptoms are digestive (tendency toward loose stools and food intolerances). (sleep issues occur when my gut is a problem).

I'm pretty much following the protocol (I'm back to doing full 60 min dives with O2) and looking at 2 years. My question is, would one consider 365 dives x 2 or 2 full calendar years, even if you've missed days here and there? And I realize there's no "graduation" that occurs at a magical 2 year mark ~

I'm at 1 year 7 months and 446 dives. So clearly, I'm a bit behind the 365 x 2 mark.

My sleep is mostly good. My stools are stable (formed!) ~ but that's without adding any new foods. In the past, I kept trying to expand my diet (with really small amounts of "safe" foods ~ like another vegetable, or blueberries or soaked and roasted walnuts ~ no grains or dairy or anything scary like sugar! LOL. But I've come to really value feeling good and being able to count on feeling good most days so I've been waiting to add another food in. Just wondering if I'm looking at April as a potential end point (2 calendar years) or when I get to 730 dives as an endpoint.

Happy Diving!

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Carbokitty,

I don't think you can look at either 2 calendar years, or 365 x 2 dives as an endpoint.

It will all depend on how you are doing, and I trust you will know when it is time to cut back on your dives.

For me, I was doing much better at 1.5 years, but wasn't completely solid, so continued daily dives for 2.5 years. In that final year, I gained so much back mentally and physically that I didn't really know I was missing, as I had not known "wellness" for so long. I'm so glad I didn't quit at that point and miss out on all of those gains.

At the 2.5 mark, I just "knew" it was time to cut back; my body felt it wasn't necessary (a feeling of "too much of a good thing"). A few dives back to back per week felt just right at that point.

Now, I have to remind myself to dive...but I definitely still feel the benefits, so try to get at least 2 in per week.

You sound like you still have a ways to go, but you are someone who is very in tune with your body's wisdom, so I am confident you will know when the time is right.

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Good luck to you carbokitty. I am in a similar boat, but only at 260 dives. I often second guess myself, wondering if I should take a break.

My symptoms are very different from yours - mostly cranial neuropathy, tinnitus, with episodes of pain and fatigue. Some GI issues come up every now and then, but they seem to be less problematic for me than the head stuff.

Thank you for your thoughtful response, Phoiph. Your posts have been so helpful to me. You keep us hopeful!

I have posted this before, but I wonder if by taking nutritional supplements, I am messing with the benefits of mhbot. I think I could use a class on oxidative stress!

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Thanks Phoiph. That's kinda what I thought. I was pretty sure there wasn't an exact recipe.
I'm definitely better ~ but again, I'm also not traveling and not exposing myself to mold like I was before.
And I can't get FMTs like I was ~ so I'm actually thrilled at this point that my stools are as stable as they are. So fingers crossed!

Some days I feel very constrained by the need to dive every day. But then that frustration passes and I go back to accepting that this is my life right now. (It could be much worse, for sure!). So I'm good. And I'll stop wondering about the textbook recipe. It doesn't exist.

Thanks for your message too, dbpei! Good luck too!

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dbpei...

You are only 8.5 months in! As you know, this is a marathon, not a sprint. I was still in rough shape at 8.5 months.

As long as you are improving overall (sometimes you must look back at your notes to see this)...even with some back-pedaling, you are on the right track.

Keep the faith...and we will keep it for you!

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Carbokitty~

I think feeling "constrained" by the need to dive daily is a good sign...when you are doing better this tends to happen, as your focus changes, and you want to just get on with your life!

But yes, acceptance of "what is" for now, and reminding yourself that you are still progressing toward wellness will keep you going.

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dbpei...If you think about how mHBOT works, one of its main actions is to upregulate the endogenous antioxidants in the body at the cellular level and that includes within the mitochondria.

If you take too many exogenous antioxidants it is possible to interfere with that action. You will still get benefit because most of the antioxidant supplements don't reach that level, they often become oxidized in the plasma.

This is just my opinion but I think it is important not to take antioxidants when you start HBOT, thereby allowing the body to produce its own. If you feel it is absolutely necessary, it would be best to take them as far away from your dives as possible. Hope this helps.

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I was taking no supplements throughout my 2.5 years of daily mHBOT, mostly because I couldn't tolerate them at the time.

Looking back at what I know now, I believe this may have been an advantage, for both creating endogenous antioxidants and helping my gut to heal.

Possibly of greater importance is the role of free radicals in disarming pathogens.

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Thanks for this info Digby and Phoiph. The doc who introduced me to mhbot advises me to take several nutritional supplements while doing daily dives. Do you think he might have things wrong?

I have tried to research this and find it very confusing. If you know of any good reading on this topic, I will do my best to review with the hope of having a better understanding of how this all works...

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dbpei...It's only the antioxidants (probably high dose only) that are a potential problem. Other supplements should be fine unless you are dealing with GI issues like Phoiph did.
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Dont blindly assume what works for someone, must work for you as well...
Some people need supplements, some people dont. Phoiph is one of the lucky ones who doesnt apparently. I take lots of supplements, including antioxidants. I would have been way worse off if i hadnt used them (and believe me i tried...)

Certain inborn errors of metabolism require supplements. Using diet only in these cases often wont work. But obviously these problems are highly individual. So you need to find what works for you, and not what anyone else tries to tell you. They dont live in your body, their circumstances will always be different.

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S13~

I'm quite sure I was severely deficient in nutrients (tolerating only the same 5-6 foods for 8 years), and I'm sure I needed supplements, but they were too complex for my gut and nervous system to handle. So...not so lucky.

I am not against supplements, I just find that many people take them without really knowing what they're deficient in or what is compatible with their system. Also, depending on how ill someone is, their ability to metabolize these isolated substances is limited.

I have been fortunate enough to come across an alternative medical doctor that looks at genetics/snps, neurotransmitters, nutritional status, gut health, methylation issues, oxidation/antioxidant status, etc., and uses specifically targeted supplementation based on the person's profile. He has been helpful to many people. I can share his info via PM if anyone is interested. He does online appointments.

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Can hbot help regrow joint cartilage? Thanks.
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Lymenotlite,

HBOT is known to increase collagen production, reduce inflammation, and release stem cells, which is conducive to cartilage repair.

There is literature out there if you Google the subject. Here is one article:

https://www.hyperbaricchambers.net/2017/03/28/hyperbaric-oxygen-therapy-helps-osteoarthritis-and-degenerative-jointcartilage-disease-hyperbaric-experts/

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Thanks Phoiph, I'm asking for a friend so searching is not as straightforward as it would be for myself.
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I'm sure everyone here has seen the news on this study but Bill Faloon from Life Extension does an interesting video on HBOT here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGtR8ZQNW-M

It is about high pressure not mild but I prefer mild chamber pressures over the long term to the high pressure chambers, perhaps with the exception of healing skin ulcers or killing some serious infections.

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Thanks, Digby...that was an interesting synopsis of the Tel Aviv HBOT/Aging study.

I would wager that long-term mHBOT is providing similar telomere-lengthening/immune benefits.

Hopefully mHBOT will be included in the follow up studies at some point.

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Wishing everyone Happy Holidays!
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I have interstitial cystitis so have been looking into possible treatments. A quote from a review of an IC book on Amazon:

"This isn't the first book to go over this stuff. And yet it doesn't mention ozone instillations. As a urologist, you have the power to bring new treatments to new patients. I highly recommend you look into this. I have been 100% IC free (no flares EVER no matter what) for 3+ years, and I credit ozone instillations I had at Choices in Health in Boulder in 2013. Please stop offering the same useless stuff to patients and telling them their best hope is "managing" their IC. That is NOT success. Recovery is.”

Does anyone know how ozone can be used for IC? It may require a catheter. Could we do this with a hyperbaric chamber instead?

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Lymenotlite...While both HBO and Ozone are oxidative therapies, they have different applications and effects. Mild HBO may help by reducing inflammation and removing infectious agents indirectly, i.e. through the immune system, but as a global intervention, it would probably take a long time to see results.

Ozone therapy for IC works directly on the inner membrane of the bladder and can sometimes result in improvement or cure after only one treatment. A urinary catheter is inserted into the bladder and ozone gas from a medical ozone generator is slowly introduced. At the right dose and concentration the ozone will kill infections and reduce inflammation on contact.

Please let us know what you choose and how it turns out.

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Doctors in Greenwich Conn using hyperbaric oxygen to treat covid
https://abc7ny.com/greenwich-hospital-hyperbaric-oxygen-therapy-covid-coronavirus/8229573/

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Turns out my problem was not IC but uterine cancer. I would not be surprised at a lyme connection, especially since I had lymebrain misinforming me throughout.

Does anyone know whether mhbot can be used for cancer? I called a rep at Oxyhealth, said I had cancer, and asked which type. When I told her, she said it could. Hard to find reliable details on this stuff but does anyone know whether a chamber might help?

Any other suggestions appreciated, including clinics, herbs, stem cell, whatever. Essiac tea?

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My brother had kidney cancer and we used mhbot as one of his treatments. He was cleared after 6 months and 12 months of the cancer. He had no chemo or radiation treatment, just natural therapies.
I know many clinics use them with other cancer treatments.

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lymenotlite,

Here are several links on HBOT and cancer:

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/06/30/dagostino-cancer-research.aspx

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0065522

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3510426/

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Peimomma, I’m glad your brother succeeded with his natural treatments. Is there any clinic or practitioner that you know of that might succeed with uterine cancer. Travel may be an issue, especially with current restrictions in place. Masks are a problem for me. I’ve heard there are people associated with Gerson methods can coach you remotely.

And thanks Phoiph. Your links will be read and watched soon. Mercola has always been an innovator to me.

I do have a rife machine. There is a place in the Midwest that sells you preprogrammed rife machines and ships them to you.

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I don’t know of any clinics, my brother treated at home using the same protocol I used to treat Lyme which was one hour a day. There is a Gerson clinic in Sedona AZ but I don’t know anyone that has actually treated with them. All the cancer patients I know currently that I work with have gone the conversational route with little success.
My neighbor passed away last July, 2 coworkers are currently undergoing treatment with chemo, radiation and surgery.
I have a friend that had stomach and spleen cancer 3 years ago and changed her diet, supplements, apricot seeds, CE’s and put the spleen cancer in remission and the stomach cancer started to recede prior to radiation. She has no additional cancer since being cleared.
I’ve learned with cancer, like Lyme it’s what each person is comfortable with as far as treatments. We have cancer all over in my family and my brother chose the natural route with having surgery to remove the bad kidney.
If I get the cancer diagnosis, I will definitely treat naturally with mhbot as an adjunct therapy, I will never be without my chamber.

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I used the Buhner herbal protocols for babesia, lyme, and M. pneumonia, all very helpful to successful. I made my own tinctures and after I decided that lyme and company were mostly gone, I stopped with the tinctures, breathing a sigh of relief that I didn't have to keep up with tincture work. Maybe that was premature.

I have a few cases of tinctures in the basement that didn't get used so time to experiment some more. Not exactly a radical idea that cancer might be caused by microbes or microbial imbalance.

I'm starting with echinacea and ashwaganda tinctures, made as per Buhner recommendations. If this succeeds, I think I will incorporate mhbot.


Thanks.

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I know it must be scary for you lymenotlite. My mom discovered that she had uterine CA when she was in her early 60's. I remember learning that uterine CA is a slow growing cancer with a very good prognosis if caught early.

My mother had a hysterectomy followed by radiation therapy and went on to live another 30+ years, despite having a poor diet and getting no exercise. I think the radiation did cause some incontinence and other problems for her. I believe that if she had access to hbot, she would not have suffered all the side effects of the radiation.

I would think that mhbot combined with a high protein or keto diet and herbal tinctures could make a difference. I have read about cancer patients having an easier time dealing with the chemo and other CA treatments if they used hyperbaric oxygen. Best of luck to you!

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Unfortunately I did not catch it early, thinking the bleeding was a lyme hormonal issue.

I have a question about the chamber. I'm thinking I could put it upstairs during cold weather and basement for hot summers.

Would a chamber damage hardwood floors? Is there something you could put under it to protect the wood?

Also, I have a friend with serious mobility issues that is taking an interest in using my (possible) chamber. She is not very flexible and getting into a chamber would likely require a helper. Any suggestions? I assume that's doable.

Your support is very appreciated. I visited Sedona years ago. A beautiful place.

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There are many sizes and styles to suit your needs. Perhaps you could get some guidance by joining this group on FaceBook. "mHBOT mild Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy"

https://www.facebook.com/groups/515147305319202

This group includes a few vendors who work with members to find used or new chambers, but they are not allowed to pressure anyone or share information.

You could put a small area rug under the chamber so the frame does not damage the hardwoods. I bought a small piece of vinyl flooring at Home Depot to put under mine, but it is laying on carpet, not wood floors.

Good luck to you!

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lymenotlite~

I don't sell chambers or concentrators, but I have developed a relationship with manufacturers/vendors over the years and can pass on discounts.

I also can share a connection to a private party who ships chambers/concentrators on a rental or rent-to-own basis, and charges much lower monthly rates than the manufacturers.

There are ways to adapt the chamber set up for people with mobility issues.

You can PM me if/when you are ready for more information.

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I'll be contacting you, Phoiph and looks like I'll be joining the FB group.

I have an appointment with the cancer specialist in an hour. Prayers appreciated.

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We'll be thinking of you.
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Yes, thinking of you, lymenotlite.

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I was hoping that I would not have any organs removed and that is the case but the uterine cancer has metastasized and it is inoperable.

I've looked into alternatives but things are moving fast. Feel free to PM me if anyone has any ideas.

You've been a great group.

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If it were me, I would want the cancer out asap and I would use the mhbot to help me heal. Sending big hugs. [group hug]
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So sorry to hear this, lymenotlite.

Dr. Dominic D'Agostino's work with keto/hyperbaric to starve/disable cancer cells is promising. Here is one of his talks:

Starving cancer: Dominic D'Agostino at TEDxTampaBay

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fM9o72ykww

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FYI to all:

This article discusses the risks of the Covid RNA vaccine to people with chronic Lyme (and other neuro-inflammatory conditions):

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/01/31/covid-19-vaccine-gene-therapy.aspx?ui=bbe5915fe75d998fd4d12ec07a2608f4ac51b11f547ace6cc7a32a6963ff4b88&cid_source=dnl &cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1ReadMore&cid=20210131&mid=DM790791&rid=1072374347

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