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twinnick
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Sorry, post by me... [Big Grin]

I have been doing some reading here and there about RIFE machines, and am now somewhat interested in giveing it a try.

I have been treating Lyme and COs for about 14 months. I am about 90% better and gave primarily neuro symptoms left. Sometime I feel like I can't get over the hump to 100%...

Would a RIFE machine be worth giving a try in my case? I don't herx much if at all...never really have.

I've read not all RIFE machines target Coinffections, but some do...I have been looking at the EMEM5A rife machine. Is that a good one? Are there others recommended for targeting "everything"?

Can I RIFE and take ABX at the same time? How often do I do it...? Where can I do it...ie. will it harm kids if they are in the same room as me while I do it?

Hmmmm...I think that is it. How do I know it is working if I dont herx? Have there been any negative reported when using it? [Safety] It is legit, not a crock to get my money...I have read plenty of success stories using it, but my wife gets looks at me like I am crazy when I tell her how it works, lol.

Now that is it... [Big Grin] Thanks all and have a wonderful weekend!

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One more thing [Razz]

Do rife machines attack, cyst and l-forms and bio films?

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Maybe you should look at this:


http://cancerclinic.co.nz/styled-5/index.html

It is very reasonably priced and seems to be far ahead of anything out there. The developer is truly an innovator and not after your $$.

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Eh....not sure on that.
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okay. I ordered mine and am quite excited about it.
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Anyone?
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A lot of your questions can be answered here:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=117755;p=0

Topic: RIFE Machine - Reference LINKS
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I'll take a shot at some of your questions but it's best to look at all the resources above so you get a fuller picture.

Q: Can I RIFE and take ABX at the same time?

No. And yes. Rosner's book better explains. Not at the same time as you do rife but some go through cycles where they may do abx for a while and then stop, doing rife.

No abx and no antimicrobial herbs that may affect lyme before treatment, though, for a while. Rosner explains why.

Liver Support supplements (some of which may be herbs) are still vital, IMO, especially something like Stinging Nettle that can help lower the Cytokine response, thereby lessening the herxheimer reaction.


Q: How often do I do it...?

For lyme, no more than every 12 days. More often can cause kidney damage / failure. This would be for quite a while until you progress to a point where this schedule might be able to be altered.

For other infections, you can do much more often, some daily.

For inflammation, daily.


Q: Where can I do it...ie.

Not close to a computer.

You need to be still, basically, no moving about.

I think lying down is good, visualizing or resting during. Some watch TV but if that is done, it's best not to be watching stuff that shocks the brain or adrenal system (most mainstream TV and commercials). Travel, comedy would be good.


Q: will it harm kids if they are in the same room as me while I do it?

HOW FAR FROM OTHERS? is a good question. Others will have the better replies. The ages of the children may guide how far way they should be when it's on. And certainly, with kids, you'd want to secure the machine at all times (well, with anyone else in the house, really, especially if clumsy).

I would not have anyone in the same room with you unless you find out it's okay at a certain age and they may have same infections. Then, though, two people may need different timing / frequencies.

A person with a pacemaker should not be too close, of course but I'm not sure how far away that's been determined to be best. I know you did not ask this question but some may not even know to ask it.

I know of a man who has his dog in his lap during treatments. The dog also has lyme. It works out well for the both of them.
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You start your post with "sorry . . . post by me."

There is no reason to be sorry. Well, other than the fact that you have to be doing this sort of homework in the first place, eh?

Questions are good. Research is good.
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Thanks for the resource! Lots of good info!

However, I'm a bit confused because there are individuals in some of those threads who do both ABX and rife...?

How do you know if you are doing too much for your kidneys? The whole kidney failure is new to me....kind of scaring me away from it.

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And, yes, indeed, this is a very solid method.

But MDs are not allowed to use rife or even talk about it - unless you bring it up first. Then, they can only share, perhaps, what some patients may have told them of their experiences. They cannot guide you.

LL NDs can guide rife treatment protocols, if they knowledge in this area. Not all do.

Just because it is deemed "experimental" by the FDA does not mean it cannot be a wonderfully helpful method. Remember the pharmaceutical companies put pressure on the FDA and the pharmaceutical industry has been out to destroy this for most of a century. You might want to learn about the maker of this, Royal Rife.

Most making rife machines are not out for your money. Some don't make a penny, just the cost of making it.

But not all are the "true" rife. Still, some "offshoots" may be just fine, or not, of course, just not the "true" rife so you just need to know what's what.

My advice is not to explain it to anyone until you get Rosner's book and see some of his videos on YouTube.

Share those with your wife . . . and also if is someone near you who has one, try to contact them. Your area lyme support groups may know of those who have used rife.

But also be aware that for those who do use rife, likely each has their own OTHER stuff protocol which may or may not be a good one. Each has a unique set of considerations / TBD, too.

So it can be hard to "judge" effectiveness for someone struggling even if they are doing everything perfectly.

It can take years of dedicated attention to cross some hurdles. That you feel 90% better after 14 months is good. I'm not sure if that is because you may STILL BE ON treatment or not, though.

You say you've never really herxed. Good. Still, liver support and herx prevention techniques are still vital.
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Definitely get a copy of Bryan's book. www.lymebook.com It will help you decide what to do and how to do it.

I have the EMEM-5A. I think it is very good for the price. I bought it after I got well. I wanted it to keep me well! I would say it worked, though I have not used it much in the past 2 yrs. I need to get busy on that!

You can use it for yeast, flu, strep, all kinds of things!

Bryan suggests NOT doing abx and rife at the same time, but his book was written several years ago. The thinking on that may have changed by now. I haven't kept up.

His reasoning was that when you take abx, the Bb go into hiding and the rife can't kill them. If you are not on abx, the Bb have nowhere to hide.

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Q: Do rife machines attack, cyst and l-forms and bio films?

That's a trick question. I have to figure out more about that but others have more fully explored it so see what they say in the rife discussion thread about that - &/or post your new questions there.

Basically, as rife can "reach through" to where spirochetes are, even if they are "encased" in a cyst, my understanding is that rife can get to them. Same going through biofilm. Maybe, maybe not?

But this is also why various frequencies are used, not just one number, to cover more bases not just with various strains or mutations but also various forms.

Still, it may not be all that simple and part of the "other stuff" protocol can certainly include attention to biofilm and the cyst form with things like GSE, etc.

but at very specific times, not the day before a lyme session or such if it would irritate or signal spirochetes in any way. They need to be all "la, la, la . . ." so that rife comes as a surprise hit. Clearly my ability to explain is going downhill.

Start with Rosner's book.
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Yeah I need to get Rosners book...

But what is the deal with EMF cause cancer...? Is that true? It's all king of freaking me out.

I'm 90% better and STILL on treatment, I'm hesitant of going off ABXs but plan on staying on them till at least May when I see my LLMD again and can talk about RIFE with him...

I'd be worried about the buggers multiplying quicker than you can kill the. In between rifes, if you are only using the rife about 2 times a month...

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EMF is not the same as Rife.

I guess you need to do more reading on the Lyme/Rife thread to find out about killing the boogers! Ask them about it. They are the "experts."

Keebler.. I liked your explanation! [Smile]

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Sounds like Rosner, himself, only had Lyme and not co's when he treated....and his book doesnt spend but a page on treating babs/bart.

According to this gal it is hard to treat co's with Rife:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40kzRSSPIxE

Is this true...? Or can bart/babs be successfully treated with Rife alone?

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My husband started rifing babs before he started treating Lyme & babs.

He felt better immediately. He has continued to rife consistently throughout treatment.

He also uses rife for muscle relaxation, headache, nausea etc.

We as a family have used rife for colds, sore throats, ear aches, tooth aches... Friends also come over to rife their ailments.

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Is there a frequency chart listing what Hz to use with each ailment?

Thanks.

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Yes. Main set:

http://www.electroherbalism.com/Bioelectronics/FrequenciesandAnecdotes/CAFL.htm

The Consolidated Annotated Frequency List (CAFL)


you can print and put into a notebook -- but it's quite long. you may want to just copy and paste relevant ones.


Beyond that, in the Rife Discussion thread are links many find helpful for various lyme / TBD things. Try to skim through page by page and have a "note page" to copy and paste so you can print those off for your own notebook.

Rosner's book also has some of the CAFL listings more specific to us.


http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/88778/46

RIFE THREAD, see page 46 -- Juli posted: many

she also posts more here:

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/88778/54 - page 54 of Rife t.
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I don't know who posted this or much about them (and I usually like to know that) but I saved this to my research file. Note not all rife machines "do" sweeps automatically but even on those that don't a range can be covered by manual dialing.


MOST EFFECTIVE LYME FREQUENCIES - a gathering

http://mylymediseasetreatment.com/rife-machine-frequencies/

Source - BLOG: My Lyme Disease Treatment - by Danielle
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Wow that's wonderful Keebler. Thanks for posting.

So one can attack and knockout coinfections with a rife?

What are the 5 most common rife machines that people us for lyme and cos? I'd like to stay under $1k.

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twinnick,

you might read through the postings over in the rife discussion thread for others' experiences. Yes, I've read that some have found success with various coinfections.

Also note the support methods on board. It's not just rife.

Your question about what kind of machine can best be addressed over there, too, and others have asked so the answers are already there . . . it just may take some skimming.

But if you ask again, you will likely get several replies.

SWEEPS cannot be done by all machines. If possible, it would be nice to have a machine that can do automatic sweeps. But you can certainly work with one that does not.

Rosner's book also details the different kinds of machines but you'd start by asking what's in your price range and seriously study only those as a matter of energy & time conservation.
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Sweeps sound fun! [Smile]

Where do you even purchase a EMEM5A rife machine from? I did a quick google search and found very little info on where I can purchase one from.

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Twin.. I think even if you believed that Rife could not attack the Co's .. that you could beat those with meds and the lyme with Rife.

Whatever works!

Bryan's book outlines his top 4 machines in his book. I think the EMEM-5A may be the only one under $1,000.

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Good point LymeToo makes about incorporating various methods for various infections / conditions.


Do not go to just any Google site and buy one. Some may be fine, of course, but you'd want multiple seasoned lyme "explorers'" suggestions.

Ask at rife discussion thread. There is a very good person who makes EMEM5 but I'm not sure that is still the case so you'd have someone PM you that name.

You might ask if DT is still making the EMEM5. Excellent person, does not charge over the cost of materials and shipping.

I came back to add that you should include in your budget an excellent surge protector. Although you'd still want to always - always - unplug when not in use.

Even the best surge protector can't withstand a lightning hit or strong power surge. But one could save it during minor surges.

You'd also just not want to be using it during a thunderstorm if there is any chance of lightning. Just as you do well to always unplug computers and all electronics during storms or power surge likelihood during brown outs in summer heat.
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Thank you, Keebler, for the frequency lists and links. This was exactly the info I was looking for!
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