Topic: will one baby aspirin a day make gastritis worse?
lpkayak
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I stopped my aspirin and ibuprofen a week ago cuz i am dealing with gastritis
Now im.a little worried cuz it was prescrubed for my heart
Is the reason they tell u to take it to thin the blood or something else?
I take ginko...do u think that will thin my blood enough?
Ty. Its really hard to get thru to primary
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- Q: "will one baby aspirin a day make gastritis worse? "
Yes. A friend of mine nearly lost his life due to one baby aspirin a day when his stomach literally broke open, bleeding from the inside . . . he was in a coma and really nearly died. He asked all of us to share this detail so that no one else needlessly go that route, or beyond.
you say that it's hard to get through to your primary doctor but if that's who's got you on the aspirin, he / she is not likely going to have advanced in knowledge and scope all of the sudden.
There are other ways to support the heart without the risk of stomach bleeding that even one baby aspirin can cause. Many other ways.
It's good that you stopped ibuprofen as that, IMO, is very dangerous for the blood vessels, it causes constriction of blood vessels for the entire body (and that also stresses kidney function which, in turn, stress the heart).
What good is it to try to thin blood if also taking an agent that constricts blood vessels? And thinning the blood is not always a good thing, anyway.
Addressing why your blood may be "thick" is what matters most. It often is with lyme. Yet, so many safer ways to address it than with aspirin.
Gingko may or may not be good for you but best to consult with a LL ND to be sure. It may be too stimulating to the CNS if you have adrenal issues. Sure was for me.
Other things to consider asking a LL ND to see if they are right for your body at this point in time:
Magnesium. Hawthorn. Read all you can about how to support the heart in a healthy fashion from the work of Stephen Sinatra, MD . . . . good links here:
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- While gastritis is a major contraindication for aspirin . . .
Another factor to consider as to why aspirin is contraindicated for those with lyme: leaky gut.
Lyme, alone, often causes leaky gut. the inner layer / coating of the stomach can be severely compromised, allowing food (or whatever we put in our stomach) and that's really foreign matter to go from stomach into the blood stream and that is never a good thing.
Aspirin further compromises the integrity of the entire stomach lining. -
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- If your doctor failed to tell you this (as someone who has gastritis), it would sure have me wonder just how good a doctor he / she is even for something so basic - and how safe my life would (not) be in his / her hands.
If your physician has suggested you take aspirin to reduce your risk of heart disease, it is important to remember that even small doses of daily aspirin — including “baby aspirin,” at a dose of 81 milligrams daily — can increase your risk of ulcers and bleeding.
It is important to remember that all Nsaids, including over the counter aspirin, have the potential to damage the tissue of the gastrointestinal tract.
Damage can occur anywhere, from mouth to anus.
Over-the-counter doses of aspirin, or buffered or enteric coated aspirin preparations, do NOT eliminate the risk of developing an Nsaid-related ulcer.
Your risk for bleeding is still two- to four-fold greater than if you were not taking the aspirin product at all.
. . . [full article at link above.] -
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Can't win for losing it seems.
H pylori causes ulcers. Wondering how many people taking aspirin have it.
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I thought you couldn't take ibu and aspirin together?? It's a double whammy.
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lpkayak
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I know butdocsdont get it
Their palm pilot says if you have high lipids you need one baby aspirin a day
I guess the palm pilot doesnt know about the ibu
The doc knows. But he cn only read...not. think
Im glad to know about ginko
What else thins blood
I take fish oil and e for heart also
And what exactly is that baby aspirin supposed to do
In a few sentences if possible
My eyes are real bad with burning and tears
Ty all
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garlique..but with meals.
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- you may not WANT to thin your blood. It's a dangerous assumption that is what's needed. However, something called rouleaux is very common for many with lyme. Detail below about that.
It will do no good to thin the blood if the blood vessels themselves are all "tight" so to speak.
I'm sorry but "a few sentences if possible" does not help with the information base we all need. If you can't read, get a trusted friend with a keen and interested mind to get the best Sinatra book and read to you.
Watch some videos, etc.
Still, to just assume your blood needs thinning can be a dangerous assumption. The brain may not like that if it's not what's needed.
I know it's frustrating to not be able to read but it's just impossible to figure this out with just the tiniest pieces of detail. It takes some reading and, if at all possible, a doctor who DOES "get it." Just because the ones you've been to to date do not, don't assume there is not that kind of doctor out there.
It's best to gather a wide range of materials to study, so that you can compare and contrasts ideas, approaches and understand the questions / solutions in depth. And, often we can't do that alone but that still does not mean it's safe to then just settle for the quickest sound byte.
One step at a time. -
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- Key concepts:
INLFAMMATION is a major & frequent matter for the heart & blood vessels.
Aspirin can help decrease inflammation BUT it has high risks. And, for you, it's off the list due to gastritis.
There are much safer options, including but not limited to: turmeric; garlic; hawthorn; magnesium . . . .
[but raw garlic and even garlic capsules can irritate gastritis, best to avoid garlic right now.]
Key concept: IMPAIRED CIRCULATION / CONSTRICTION -- too many jump to conclude that means the blood must be thinned. Do not just jump there. It may or may not need that. The rest of the body may not need that, especially the brain.
You can have the fibrinogen levels checked, etc. to see if you have "sticky blood" as many with lyme do. The best helper there, IMO is Prickly Ash Bark.
Blood vessel health is a very intricate dance that involves many factors, though. I hope you will be able to sort through the Cardiac thread, scroll down to find some key articles, books, etc.
MERCOLA's site is also very good for educational presentations. www.mercola.com
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- Now, there is a time that an aspirin can be life saving. If someone has a heart attack, as soon as possible. That can saves lives.
And magnesium is also something to consider, see articles here about the heart, calcification (another key concept in heart health) & emergency assistance:
Two other terms require further definition. The first is “thickness”, which is made up of total volume of blood cells (hematocrit), the deformability of red blood cells and other blood cells, and plasma viscosity.
(All of these are biophysical—not biochemical—measurements, as is “thickness”) . STICKINESS
The second parameter is “stickiness”, which includes
red cell aggregability into rouleaux (greater at lower blood pressure/diastole),
the presence of fibrinogen,
and the physico-chemical behavior of platelets.
(While some of these measurements are biophysical, others are biochemical.)
For these reasons, the measurement of “systolic” blood viscosity is the measurement of thickness, while the measurement of “diastolic” blood viscosity it measurement of both thickness and stickiness. -
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Ginko causes reflux for me, and I can't take it.
I had to stop taking Excedrin for pain, as it was causing reflux and belching and pain, which are symptoms of gastritis.
Excedrin is half aspirin, so when I took that I was halving my daily dose of tylenol.
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Re the doctor .. We don't have to do everything they say. Just sayin' .. if you can't, you can't.
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- Indeed. Why keep going to a doctor who gives bad advice & puts your very life at risk?
Some information here was in the NYT article above but there are also some things I'd not read before, questions to explore about aspirin and the eyes & pancreatic cancer.
Aspirin - Useless For Heart Health and Stroke Prevention and Causes Major Complications
- By Michael Teplitsky - June 25, 2009
Excerpts:
. . . Early studies with aspirin showed absolutely no benefits when it came to preventing heart attacks.
Then one study which used Bufferin (aspirin and MAGNESIUM) showed that while the number of fatal heart attacks was not reduced, there were 40% fewer non-fatal heart attacks in people taking Bufferin.
This is the reason why doctors recommend aspirin for prevention of heart attacks.
It is almost certain that MAGNESIUM was responsible for Bufferin's benefits, not aspirin.
Magnesium is well known for its positive effect on heart and blood vessels. But it was completely ignored and aspirin came out a winner.
A review published in Lancet on May 30, 2009 analyzed the results of previous studies that used aspirin to prevent heart attacks and strokes. They looked at 6 studies that evaluated 95,000 people for an average of 7 years.
People taking aspirin did not have any benefits.
They had just as many heart attacks, strokes, and vascular deaths as people who did not take aspirin. But they had significantly more bleeding complications, especially gastrointestinal. . . .
. . . This is true whether they take regular or baby aspirin.
And don't think that "buffered" aspirin is any better when it comes to gastro-intestinal bleeding.
A study in Lancet found that the risk of bleeding was 2.6 times higher in people taking 325 mg or less of regular aspirin compared to people not taking any aspirin.
The risk in people taking "buffered" aspirin was 3.1 higher. In people who took more than 325 mg of regular aspirin a day the risk was 5.8 times higher, while in those taking buffered aspirin it was 7.0 time higher.
In other words, people taking buffered aspirin actually had higher risk!
. . . people who used aspirin for 10 or more years had over 40% higher risk of developing cataract . . .
. . . Aspirin use has been linked to macular degeneration, . . .
. . . A study of over 88,000 female nurses found that those who took 2 aspirins daily for 20 years had a 58% increase in pancreatic cancer vs. those not taking aspirin.
Pancreatic cancer is now #5 cause of cancer deaths and the number of cases have gone up a lot in recent years. Is aspirin to blame? . . .
. . . Aspirin can trigger asthma attacks in people who are sensitive to it. Studies show that regular use of aspirin can damage your kidneys and your liver. -
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Thank god ginko doesnt give me reflux
Im just not sure what the rational is to have everyone with high lipids take aspirin
If i knew that it would be easier to make decision not to take it
Thanks
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lpkayak
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Aspirin lowers clotting so helps prevent heart attack
Its ok to take ibuprofen 30 min after aspirin if you take aspirin once a day
You shoyld not take aspirin less than 8 hrs after you took ibu
This is from.web md
Also you should not take aspirin if you have an ulcer
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lpkayak
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I have had excellent docs in my life, but i find as time goes by it is harder and harder to find them
I need a doc to write a few necessary prescriptions so i cant go without one
This particular doc was very lyme friendly 2 1/2 years ago when ifound him
After our local hospital was taken over by mass gen and the affordable care act started he changed drastically in what he believes as bout lyme
I have been looking for another doc but they all seem to be the same
And right now i am dealing with acute gastritis and not taking ibu or aspirin while i get worked up to see what is really goung on
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- I sure would not believe web.md on this, not at all. According to the Lancet studies & some other excellent sources, web.md is wrong on this matter.
I hope you can go back up and read some of the articles about the misconceptions with aspirin and the heart - not at all what we've been told -- or as advertised.
There are also many other ways to help improve our blood vessel & heart health. So many other ways.
Related matter: No magic time period on this. Ibuprofen causes constriction of the blood vessels. Not a good idea for anyone who desires proper circulation.
By Suzy Cohen, Registered Pharmacist - Feb. 28, 2012
Excerpts:
For every heart attack that aspirin therapy prevents, the London study says, it causes two “bleeding events.”
This study is not the first to show potential dangers with long-term use of aspirin. We’ve known for decades that aspirin can harm the delicate lining of the digestive tract.
And if you read my Drug Mugger book, you’d know aspirin is a drug mugger of vitamin C which you need to keep your arteries elastic, and potassium which is needed for healthy blood pressure.
. . . What exactly do the researchers mean by “bleeding events”? By definition, these events could include hemorrhagic stroke, bleeding from ulcers, and bleeding from the lower gastrointestinal tract.
These are pretty serious conditions; impending signs of a “bleeding event” may include abdominal pain or heartburn. . . .
"FDA has concluded that the data do not support the use of aspirin as a preventive medication by people who have not had a heart attack, stroke or cardiovascular problems, a use that is called 'primary prevention.'
In such people, the benefit has not been established but risks — such as dangerous bleeding into the brain or stomach — are still present."
. . . Studies Show Aspirin Is a Dismal Failure at Preventing Heart Attacks
The following table lists, chronologically, a sampling of studies showing that taking aspirin may do more harm than good. . . .
CHART at LINK above - and full article with much more detail. -
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- Ibuprofen constricts blood flow. This can pose problems.
National Kidney & Urulogic Diseases Information Clearinghouse (NKUDIC)
Analgesic Nephropathy (Painkillers and the Kidneys)
Excerpts:
. . . Analgesic use has been associated with two different forms of kidney damage: acute renal failure and a type of chronic kidney disease called analgesic nephropathy. . . .
. . . Some patient case reports have attributed incidents of sudden-onset acute kidney failure to the use of over-the-counter painkillers, including aspirin, ibuprofen, and naproxen sodium. . . .
. . . A second form of kidney damage, called analgesic nephropathy, can result from taking painkillers every day for several years. . . . .
. . . Ibuprofen may also increase the risk of chronic kidney damage, . . .
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Excerpt: "But at the same time, the drug constricts blood flow."
The popular pain reliever ibuprofen can cause kidney failure in people with mild kidney disease, according to a new study.
A three-year study on the drug was reported today in the journal Annals of Internal Medicine. . . .
. . . gave participants above-normal doses of 800 milligrams of ibuprofen three times a day - the equivalent of 12 ibuprofen tablets - for up to 11 days.
After eight days, three women developed kidney failure, which reversed when ibuprofen was discontinued. The remaining nine women, who received ibuprofen for 11 days, showed changes in kidney function but did not develop kidney failure.
After recovering, the three women were given 400 milligrams of ibuprofen three times a day, equivalent to normal doses of the drug.
Two of the three again developed kidney failure but recovered when the ibuprofen was stopped.
Ibuprofen relieves pain by interfering with the body's production of prostaglandin, a substance involved in inflammation. But at the same time, the drug constricts blood flow.
Normally, the change poses little risk if used for a short period.
But for those whose blood flow to the kidneys is already reduced by kidney, heart or liver damage, flu, or aging, ibuprofen could lead to acute kidney failure. . . .
- Full article at link above. -
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- Re: aspirin triggering REYE syndrome in children, and in also in some adults, be sure to consider that. REYE can be fatal. Good to know what we need to know ahead of time for those we love.
There is an association between taking aspirin for viral illnesses and the development of Reye syndrome.[10] . . . .
. . . The serious symptoms of Reye syndrome appear to result from damage to cellular mitochondria,[12] at least in the liver, and there are a number of ways that aspirin could cause or exacerbate mitochondrial damage. . . . -
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- Another consideration is that aspirin / acetylsalicylic acid is ototoxic and can lead to tinnitus - that may not be reversible - and other hearing issues / hearing loss.
Consult the work of Neil G. Bauman in his 3rd edition of "Ototoxic Drugs" and his websites. -
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Hey sugar plum,
Are you using a coated baby aspirin, like Bayer? Here is one (300 tablets) for $17. (Cheaper at Walmart and on Amazon.)
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- Even if the aspirin is coated, there can still be other things to consider. It's still going to be ototoxic, for example . . . etc.
To reduce inflammation, to help our arteries, etc., there are many other choices. -
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- Coated aspirin mentioned here - and it's NOT helpful:
If your physician has suggested you take aspirin to reduce your risk of heart disease, it is important to remember that even small doses of daily aspirin — including “baby aspirin,” at a dose of 81 milligrams daily — can increase your risk of ulcers and bleeding.
It is important to remember that all Nsaids, including over the counter aspirin, have the potential to damage the tissue of the gastrointestinal tract.
Damage can occur anywhere, from mouth to anus.
Over-the-counter doses of aspirin, or buffered
** or enteric coated aspirin preparations,**
do NOT eliminate the risk of developing an Nsaid-related ulcer.
Your risk for bleeding is still two- to four-fold greater than if you were not taking the aspirin product at all.
. . . [full article at link above.] -
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