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Kaseyyy
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does anyone have good recommendations for fatigue? i take rhodiola, ordered ashgwanda and ginseng, and take a thyroid support supplement (constains tyrosine). i also have dl phenylalanine and d ribose that i don't really take. it doesn't seem to help much with feeling really tired all the time
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This helped me.
http://www.amazon.com/Max-B-ND-Premier-Research-Labs/dp/B0062MCRZG/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1433014934&sr=8-2&keywords=max+b+nd
I tried all that you mentioned with little to no results.

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Have you tried eleuthero?
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Have you tried eleuthero?
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NT Factor Energy
COQ10
also test for and treat any adrenal, POTS and thyroid problems.

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dl phenylalanine is on your list - VERY dangerous

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/113775?#000000

Topic: Amino Acid Information Link

See post: Caution: Aspartate; Glutamine; and Phenylalanine (3 excitatory amino acids that can be wrong for us when added as supplements, beyond a normal dietary level)
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Ginseng is on your list. There are many kinds and some are as different as night and day in their properties and actions.

Depending upon the KIND, it can be very stimulating and cause a lot of trouble. Be sure to read up on the kind you have from good sources who have education in the field of herbs, not just any web site.

Be absolutely certain of the KIND you have.

A LL naturopathic doctor (or similar) would be best to consult. Links here can help guide you regarding supplements, too, but best to have a LL ND if at all possible.


http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/2/13964

How to find an ILADS-educated LL ND (Naturopathic Doctor) . . . (& articles / books)


http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/89790

Topic: NATURAL SLEEP & ADRENAL SUPPORT
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Rhodiola -

While generally excellent, Rhodiola is best taken with other adrenal supports, at the same time - in a certain ratio. Rhodiola, alone, can be overly stimulating -- or if taken too late in the day. Details in the Adrenal Links set.
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I lived on flower pollen when I didn't know what was going on and it always gave me energy.
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I'll check out flower pollen [Smile] I get mostly all my supplements on luckyvitamin.com. The ginseng I ordered said it is "Ginseng & Damania with Eleuthero"

I have read that adoptogens lower cortisol, but wouldn't that be bad for adrenal fatigue? or do they normalize it?

Would a glandular for adrenals be bad to take unless I knew I had abnormal cortisol levels? What I mean is would the adrenals become "lazy" and turn off with supplementing that?

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I also started taking Now brand thyroid support but am unsure if it is helping or making me feel worse. It constains kelp, l tyrosine which I used to take but doesn't seem to help now, and guggul extract.
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"Ginseng & Damania with Eleuthero" (be sure that label reads: damiana to be sure it's authentic)

the label is not specific in the name for the TYPE of Ginseng used, you'll need to delve deeper into their ingredients where they specify the EXACT kind, then read up on it.

Eleuthero is also called "Siberian Ginseng" but it's not a true ginseng, it was just called that by some as it has some of the properties of many of the ginsengs. But it is not stimulating, it's restorative without the rocket fuel effect.

As for DAMIANA, I'm not familiar with its properties that but you can sure study it, too, to be sure it's for balance and not a boost.
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kelp can be very stimulating so be very careful on the amount. Start very slow. Kelp / seaweeds contain their own natural MSG (Glutamate, Glutamic Acid) and that can be too stimulating for some with weak adrenal function.

Start slowly until you see how you feel with it. WITH FOOD, too. Not alone. Alone can cause stomach upset but also cause jitters more readily.

And not too late in the day. This way, there is a better chance of gaining the benefit when the dose is set for your body.

Too late in the day for kelp or any seaweed can cause insomnia.

See the detail here about Glutamic Acid and the special consideration for those with neurolyme:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/113775?#000000

Topic: Amino Acid Information Link

See post: Caution: Aspartate; Glutamine; and Phenylalanine (3 excitatory amino acids that can be wrong for us when added as supplements, beyond a normal dietary level)

Seaweed has its own natural MSG and can be very excitatory
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is Korean or Siberian Ginseng better? If dl phenylalanine isn't safe what about l-tyrosine?

I've read things that say supplementing iodine can not be good if you are not deficient, but does it really matter?

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They are totally different plant families, so it's hard to say which is better in terms of the name. It depends on the person, etc. but also the way the specific ginseng affects one. See One Earth links below.

Other than in terms of the name: Eleuthero "Siberian Ginseng" is much - much safer for a start. And it can be absolutely wonderful.

I think it is best combined with Ashwagandha, really.

Korean Ginseng is more stimulating than American Ginseng. Therefore, Korean Ginseng can be too strong.

As for the Damiana, I just looked that up and while it can be stimulating in some ways that really are very concerning to me and possible way over stimulating for someone with lyme, yet it can be calming in other ways, they say.

So, just start with one a day, either at breakfast or lunch and see how you do. Stick with one a day for couple days and increase to two, breakfast and lunch. From there, if you feel okay, slowly increase to the optimum dose.

I wish you could consult a LL ND, though, as they would be able to help so much.
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Korean ginseng, also known as Asian or Panax ginseng

http://www.herbslist.net/korean-ginseng.html

Korean Ginseng . . . It is considered to be an “adaptogen”. . . .

[Much detail in the article . . .]

Editor’s Comments

I only take Korean ginseng in the winter time. It really raises my body temperature when I take it. It’s more fast acting then American ginseng and you’ll feel the effects much more quickly. It’s great to take before a hard day of shoveling snow or any outdoor winter activity.

Korean ginseng will definitely give you a boost in energy and also increase your strength and stamina, making it wonderful for people who work hard in the outdoors in winter.

It’s probably not a good idea to take it if you have high blood pressure though. You may want to try American or Siberian ginseng instead. Always ask your doctor first just to be on the safe side. (end article quote)

For summer:

Note: PEPPERMINT is cooling. Very good to have on hand for summer. It has a chapter in the book below, too. It might be an addition. ENTERIC COATED Peppermint tablets are very nice or even just good organic peppermint tea, chilled maybe a little but not too cold or with ice. ICE can cause the body to heat up.

From THE ONE EARTH HERBAL SOURCEBOOK:

http://oneearthherbs.squarespace.com/important-herbs/ginseng-root-panax-ginseng.html

GINSENG ROOT (Panax ginseng)


http://oneearthherbs.squarespace.com/important-herbs/american-ginseng-root-panax-quinquefolium.html

AMERICAN GINSENG ROOT (Panax quinquefolium )

. . . cooling in action.
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Q: iodine?

Read the articles about that in TOWNSEND LETTER - thoughts of both Brownstein (& ?Abramson?) & also of Gaby. Excellent articles, in depth. Basically, there is a difference of thought between some NDs. Yet, I find a good argument for physiological supplementation dose if needed.

I've done well with one IODORAL tablet a day. I would not consider a different brand for many reasons, though, I think they may also make drops. But it's a very controlled amount to keep to.

But if you eat / take KELP daily in a dose amount, also taking iodine supplement could be way too much for you and cause other problems.

Be sure to spend the time on that series of articles on this topic in the Townsend Letter.

Brownstein also has a book all about Iodine.
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Q: L-Tyrosine?

If you are taking an Rx synthetic thyroid medication, you may want to look into what the last article below discusses about that. This is just a brief look, not very deep but a start. You may not need this in a supplement if you have a good variety of protein.


Wikipedia - for a start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrosine

. . . L- Tyrosine, which can also be synthesized in the body from phenylalanine

[Keebler's insert here: remember that while taking a phenylalanine supplement can be a big risk for those with neurological conditions due to the supplement's excite / neuro / overstimulation, we do require some - and many foods have it in a good amount. The same for many amino acids such as L-Tyrosine, too.]

[baking up:]

L- Tyrosine, which can also be synthesized in the body from phenylalanine, is found in many high-protein food products such as chicken, turkey, fish, milk, yogurt, cottage cheese, cheese, peanuts, almonds, pumpkin seeds, sesame seeds, soy products, lima beans, avocados, and bananas.[4] . . .


http://www.livestrong.com/article/191575-interactions-with-hypothyroid-supplements/

Interactions With Hypothyroid Supplements

- By Cydney Walker - Aug 16, 2013

Excerpts:

. . . Iodine

Bladderwrack, kelp or other preparations high in iodine can be contaminated with heavy metals because of pollution of the Earth's seas and oceans.

Because of the high probability of heavy metal contamination, you need to exercise caution when taking these supplements . . . .

. . . L-Tyrosine

L-tyrosine is a precursor for thyroxine--thyroid hormones, adrenal hormones, epi and norepinephrine--adrenaline hormones. Thyroxine levels can rise too quickly when L-tyrosine is used with synthetic thyroid hormones.

According to the University of Maryland Medical Center, L-tyrosine is a precursor to thyroid hormones and may artificially raise levels along with synthetic medications used to treat hypothyroidism. . . .
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Q: D-Ribose?

That can be fabulous for some and just rocket fuel to others (for me, rocket fuel).

Just to be clear, not a fan of the rocket fuel effect for any supplement and while tempting for an energy "boost" please resist anything that promises a "boost" -- support is the ideal.

With D-Ribose (after being certain of the purity / source) the trick is to start with a very TINY amount, no later than probably 1 p.m. See how you do. Probably best in the middle of at least a small snack.

There have been some discussion threads here you can search to see others' experiences with it.
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Kaseyyyy,

looking back at your posting history, it appears that you do not have a LLMD or LL ND and that you are not treating lyme.

You did have positive testing and certainly classic symptoms. Your post from Sept. 2014:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/129944?#000000

In light of what you listed there, your test results post here could not be any clearer.

Even as recently as a month ago, though you were questioning if you "really" have lyme. Just yesterday, you were asking about getting another lyme test (and tests for various other infections).

you do not need another lyme test. Sorry it's in your life but you do not need to spend money on any more lyme tests.


The concern is that it appears that lyme is not being addressed.

For a while, it looked like you were on a short course of two antibiotics but not at all in line with the Burrascano Guidelines.

So, if lyme is not full addressed, all the supplements in the world will not help. Lyme must be addressed head-on, somehow.

You question other possible coinfections but seem on your own for all of this. Even if you might have coinfections, lyme still must be addressed, fully, head-on.

Is there anyway you can find a LLMD? If not, can you fully commit to one of the top herbal protocols? Because you can take these kinds of supplement 'til the cows come home and it won't address the underlying cause.

Hopefully, you do have a LLMD and I missed it. Hope so. If not, some other way but one that is fully adequate.
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goto kola helped me the most with that tired feeling

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Noni juice helps sometimes.

About B12 -- people take it for energy but it can actually make you drowsy, so you can try taking it at night

Ritalin. for real.

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all of these are such great recommendations!! thank you.

i am going to make a lyme appointment, and maybe go back to a neurologist (find someone who really knows headache?) the high price docs who dont take insurance are iffy to me though, what if the way you feel is NOT caused by lyme and is caused by say, heavy metals, parasites, (i know are common with lyme) things like h pylori, undiagnosed gluten problem, etc. there are so many possibilities why you can feel a certain way.

i ordered zeolite and a parasite cleanse. excited to try that.

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also, does anyone believe that emf can cause problems? do "pendants" and crystals work in protection or is that all just fake?
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10,000 ius a day of vitamin d and Jarrow Formulas coq10. The coq10 takes about a week to kick in...
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This parasite cleanse is called parazyte. I recommend you all try it, it has very good reviews.
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Yes, pendants and crystals are fake. Save your money.
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cottonbrain, are you saying ritalin gives you energy?
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If your body is using all of your energy to fight off infection, it may not be wise to try to over ride the signals your body is giving you.

For example, when you have the flu, you don't drink 5 coffees an 10 energy drinks and push push push on through or there could be a terrible result. Your heart would give out. You rest and let your body heal.

Same here but you have to treat the bacterial infection too.

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I completely agree with Keebler and A.G. You must treat lyme. It sounds like you are in denial over your positive lyme test and hoping it's something else. With lyme there are always co infections to deal with.

A neuro may be a waste of time considering you have lyme and company. A lyme doc will recognize the headaches (lyme and company related) and how to treat.

Finding and treating other co infections helps, but you REALLY need someone who knows how to do this. Right now you are just guessing. At the very least you might want to pick up a copy of "Healing Lyme" by Stephen Buhner.

Yes, emfs make lyme and company grow and weaken the immune system. There are pendants that work for emfs, not lyme though, at least none that I know of.

You need an LLMD first and foremost.

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