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poppy
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I think some MS is lyme, but not all. Same with the other diseases that are mimicked by lyme. If you think about the limited number of ways the body can respond to various "insults," then it becomes more understandable that several paths might lead to the same group of symptoms that are given a disease name.
The problem with making blanket statements about this situation is that if some MS is not caused by lyme, then treatment for lyme won't help, and then the baby is thrown out with the bathwater. Then it is denied that any MS could be lyme.
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Read the info above. Dr McDonald found Lyme spirochetes in all MS patients' brains.
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ditto....now if some of them will listen...
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- When Bb spirochetes are seen in the brains of all test samples, though, that is eye-opening.
I have no doubt that other stealth infections can do major damage and that the medical college "experts" would rather say they see space aliens than give any infection credit for damage or - gasp - actually treat any stealth infection as aggressively as required for as long as necessary.
It could be, for instance, that while Cpn is also connected to MS, it might travel with lyme. As the Cpn protocol is very similar that that for chronic neuroborreliosis, lyme could go undetected.
For some who could not get proper lyme diagnostics or find a LLMD/LLND to address lyme and other tick-borne infections, if they can find a Cpn doctor and follow the Wheldon/Stratton protocol, they may be treated not just Cpn but also lyme.
poppy
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The word "all" gives me problems.
Haven't read the whole thing yet, but one thing that jumped out at me was the idea that spirochetes = lyme. There are other spirochetes, including dental ones.
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- He does specify: Borrelia burdorferi.
See Figure 1: various stages / forms of Borrelia burdorferi
Excerpts:
. . . "Borrelia infection is therefore a unifying concept to explain diverse neurodegenerative diseases, based not entirely on a corkscrew shaped profile in diseased tissue, but based on small, medium and large caliber rounded cystic profiles derived from pathogenic spirochetes which are hiding in plain sight.'' . . .
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. . . [In addition to MacDonald's work] . . . read the fascinating and terrible personal story and Lyme - vs - MS lecture by microbiologist and Borrelia expert Tom Grier. . . .
(audio link) -
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I believe he said the same thing about Alzeimer's too.
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Keebler
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- Indeed. His findings are exceptional and relevant to so many neurolgical diagnoses. And he is not the only researcher investigating these connections.
Alzheimer's disease - a neurospirochetosis. Analysis of the evidence following Koch's and Hill's criteria.
Miklossy J.
International Alzheimer Research Center, Prevention Alzheimer Foundation, Martigny-Combe, Switzerland -
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I think in UOS, Dr McDonald found Bb spirochetes in 8 out of 10 brains of patients with Alzheimer's.
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Thanks for sharing!!
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when macdonald and grier say it is so...it probably is. the author published findings on als last month and plans to write on ms and alz next.
they are saying they have found Bb in many patients who dies of the 3 conditions.
the reason the authors say als is end stage Bb is this:
"We think that the reason for the rapid deterioration in ALS patients with significant lower motor neuron damage when treated with conventional antibiotic treatment (without the use of an imidazole such as Flagyl) is very likely not a Jarish-Herxheimer reaction or the result of increased local inflammation due to increased antibody production. Because Metronidazole impairs the bacterial flagellum (its brand name is "Flagyl" for that reason), preventing them from moving. This strongly suggests that the physical movement of the spirochetes is responsible for the deterioration, as the extra damage sustained to the remaining lower motor neurons proves fatal. Spirochetes are known to migrate or encyst themselves into protein envelopes when they sense cell wall damage to themselves. Both involves movements. Since Borrelia spirochetes are relatively large Since Borrelia spirochetes are relatively large bacteria, a great deal of damage to neuronal tissue is the inevitable result."
im not sure if they will say the same reason for ms...but they are saying the wrong kind of abx will damage more neurons faster...but if you use flagyl they are not damaged and the Bb is in fact killed and the patient cured.
i dont know if "lower motor neuron damage" would refer to both ms and alzheimers as well as als
every once in awhile tom comes on here...wouldnt it be great if he chimed in
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