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Woman with disease so rare in Alabama no local help found

By SAMIRA JAFARI
The Associated Press
8/15/2004, 11:13 a.m. CT


MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) -- When Stephanie Ingram wakes up, she tries to patch together her thoughts, catch her balance and shake off the pain, exhaustion and fatigue that's plagued her for more than three years.

That would be a good day. She mostly has bad weeks.

Ingram suffers from chronic Lyme disease, a bacterial illness transmitted by deer ticks that is so rare in Alabama, and most of the South, that medical help in the state did her little or no good. With some doctors skeptical the disease even exists in Alabama, Ingram was forced to seek treatment at a clinic in suburban New York.

"I honestly felt like I was dying," said the married mother of four from Montgomery. "I had four young children and I felt like I was racing against the clock."

The clinic in Millbrook, N.Y., where Ingram remains, has diagnosed her with a chronic form of the disease, and has started a lengthy antibiotic treatment that she could not get in Alabama.

The 44-year-old said she is a victim of a medical impasse -- a disagreement among physicians over whether advanced stages of the disease even exist and, if they do, how they should be treated.

She said her 13-year-old son is a victim, too; he has been diagnosed with the disease and also is under treatment at the New York clinic.

They have no recollection of when or where they may have contracted the disease, but she believes it probably was inside Alabama since her son hasn't left the state since he was little and she had not for at least a year before she began experiencing health problems.

The Centers for Disease Control says the illness can be fairly tricky to test for and diagnose, mainly because its symptoms take on an array of forms, including arthritis in its early stages to mild seizures, memory loss, facial paralysis and other neurological symptoms in later stages. It's sometimes easier to diagnose if a tell-tale "bull's eye rash" appears; Ingram didn't have it.

Diagnoses are most common where the bulk of cases are reported -- 95 percent of the cases are from the New England, mid-Atlantic and north-central states.

But that doesn't mean it's not spreading to other regions, said Dr. Erin Staples, a CDC epidemiologist.

"It is a persistent and growing concern for the U.S.," she said. "The general trend is Lyme disease cases increase over a steady rate in time."

Doctors who apply a broader definition may diagnose "chronic" or "probable" Lyme disease and initiate months, sometimes years, of potent antibiotic treatments. This method is viewed as risky by many in the medical profession, mainly because it can cause an internal infection in some cases, said Alabama's state epidemiologist, Dr. J.P. Lofgren.

The vast majority of Alabama doctors don't feel comfortable diagnosing Lyme disease, partly because of the similarity of the symptoms to that of other diseases and the inaccuracies of the tests, he said.

Lyme disease is caused by a bacterium -- the technical name is Borrelia burgdorferi -- that is transmitted to humans by infected deer ticks, also known as black-legged ticks, that contracted it from certain breeds of mice.

Since 1995, only 96 cases of Lyme disease have been reported to Alabama's public health department. Lofgren said those cases were either contracted outside the state or falsely received a positive test result for the disease.

He also said it is virtually impossible for Alabamians to contract the disease within state lines because the mice from which Northern deer ticks contract the bacterium do not live in Alabama.

"We do have patients who meet the definition for Lyme disease, but we think they're all not true cases unless they've been exposed in states like Wisconsin or Connecticut," Lofgren said.

Though few, there have been diagnoses in Alabama -- often late and resulting from frustrated patients desperately attempting to find out what ails them.

Les Roberts, a south Alabama broker, co-directs a Lyme disease support group for patients in his region and northwestern Florida. He said his first symptoms of Lyme disease appeared in the form of heart problems in 1990 -- he was diagnosed a decade later.

In the 10 years between, Roberts said he visited a laundry list of medical specialists, from cardiologists to urologists.

"The story I got consistently was 'You don't have Lyme disease, you're just depressed,'" Roberts said. "The doctors consistently denied I had any infection. I was almost dead."

Roberts was diagnosed by a Lyme disease specialist in Mobile after a urine test for Lyme came back positive. The urine test for Lyme disease has not been approved by the FDA, Staples said.

The 65-year-old Roberts said he hears from at least two Lyme diseases sufferers a week, and has been contacted by "dozens" for help since his diagnosis.

Ingram's battle was shorter, though no less aggravating.

She tested positive for the disease on five tests before going to New York, and said she encountered much skepticism from in-state doctors. As a result, it took three years to confirm her diagnosis.

Ingram has since filed a lawsuit against two doctors she saw between 2001 and 2003. She claims they failed to accurately diagnose her with Lyme disease and deprived her of antibiotic treatment in the disease's acute, or non-chronic, stages.

According to her lawsuit, both doctors put her through a battery of tests and returned positive results for Lyme disease, but denied her proper treatment.

Attorneys for the doctors said their clients deny those allegations.

Meanwhile, Ingram's symptoms worsened and her vision began to deteriorate.

"By now, I was so sick, I could barely sit up in chair," Ingram said. "I could only assume, there was no Lyme in Alabama and I had some other terrible disease."

By summer 2003, another internist in Birmingham gave her short-term antibiotic treatment preferred by most doctors treating Lyme. But by that point, Ingram's condition was so advanced that the six-week plan had little impact. She gave one more Alabama doctor a try, but like the first few, he questioned available treatment options.

Ingram finally decided to seek treatment at the clinic in New York that specializes in treating the disease. The doctors there have told her that there is no cure for chronic Lyme.

She has completed just over half of her three-month treatment, which consists of daily IV drips of strong antibiotics. The side effects of the concentrated treatment have magnified her earlier symptoms, she said, making her fatigue and joint pain almost unbearable.

When she returns home to her family in the fall, she will continue to take oral antibiotics for an indefinite amount of time. She said her son, whose disease is still in its acute stages, has been placed on a short-term antibiotic therapy while he stays in New York with her.

Ingram said her family has been drained emotionally and financially, and for now she's "trying to buy time" with the treatments.

"I will likely be back here (at the clinic)," she said. "And I will have to keep doing it until they find the magic bullet to destroy it completely or until it kills me."


[THIS STORY APPEARED IN SEVERAL ALABAMA NEWSPAPERS, INCLUDING ONES IN BIRMINGHAM AND TUSCALOOSA.]


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The following link will get you to the US Army's risk assessments for Lyme Disease.

These haven't be updated since 1996, and the numbers, today, would be alot higher.

This is the proof...the same proof that I gave to my Vet when he told me that there wasn't any LD in Arkansas.

They actually tested the ticks!!!!

http://members.utech.net/users/10766/lyme.htm

Thanks for the post.

Rosemary


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Yes. Yes. We go through this all the time. I was infected in Huntsville, AL on April 16th, 1999. I know exactly where I was.

The US Army found Lyme in Huntsville 12 years before that.

Normall we hear there are none of "those" ticks in AL. Now it is there are none of "those" mice in AL.

I am just so glad...now I know I dont need to worry about West Nile Virus since I have never been to Egypt. And I dont have to worry about AIDS because I have never been to Africa!

I wrote a letter to the editor, but I havent written directly to the ignorant official because he wont listen. Period.


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I am VERY impressed by the article. Great work!

It was written very well and went into good detail. The writter should be told so...

If we could shut out the idiots comments ... it would be even better.

Ok... I am ready to go off... bubble bubble boil...

Watch as my head explodes!

How INSANE can a person be?

Lyme stops at the Alabama border?

HELLO!!!

Does he think the ticks can read the no trespassing signs?

Has Alabama funded new projects lately and created "wildlife schools" for increasing the reading skills of ticks that carry Lyme in the state?

What do we have here?

Smart ticks that can read enough to know to stay out of Alabama.. OR.. stupid people who think they can!

And this is what gets MY goat...

They even slap the CDC in the face and go against what THEY are saying.

NOT that I am a huge CDC fan.. but hey. If no one is even listening to the minimum guides written by the CDC... then WHAT THE HECK ARE WE PAYING ALL THESE PEOPLE FOR??

Alabama's little BUG specialists THINK they know more than EVERYBODY in the world about chronic infectious diseases!!!

Ahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!

Tell me...

Is ANYONE really STUPID enough to think the cases Alabama managed to diagnose ... in a state where the IDIOT doctors are not even looking for it... are ALL FALSE POSITIVES or were picked up by folks when they were OUT OF STATE!!!

Sounds like howdy duty there in ally bama is working for the tourism board.. or sells real estate on the side perhaps?

I can't imagine ONE human is THAT stupid... so IS there another motive for him saying that?

Just like Florida! OH NO! Micky Mouse can't have Lyme disease! We would go broke if we lost all the dollars the tourists brought in...

Or ... another question... who is paying this dude the big bucks to keep this under cover?

HOLY CROSS ALABAMA... I can't even imagine working for someone that stupid.

I would be embarrased to be living in a state that hires idiots like that... and then let's them say those idiot comments in PUBLIC!

Well down in ally bama mamm.. we usually keep them stupid folks in the closet.. but dis one managed to crawl out of his cage the other week.. so sorry.

Is that where the Alabama tax payers money goes?

I wish all of us could put on deer, mouse, and tick costumes and line the borders of the state with pickett signs that say...

"ANYONE WITH LYME STAY OUT OF OUR STATE OR YOU WILL BE IN BIG TROUBLE"

By Order of Alabama State IDIOT bug specialists, Dr. J.P. Lofgren

OK...

It's LETTER time!

If someone.. LOU? can post a newspaper link for that area... I am going for it!

By the way...

Thank you for posting this article. You are so very kind.

The above is only my opinion.

And as TOBY says...

"How do you like me NOW?"



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You know what is even more weird??

The state epidemiologist is not even connected to the CDC. He is part of the US Dept. of Labor! Not even the agricultural dept. (which I have a report showing all the counties in AL where the Lymie ticks are!!)


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Very good article thanks for posting...

Amazing... the ignorance that is masquerading as expert opinion!

Speaking of Florida, Tincup, a couple of years ago when Max was having a port put in under the care of Dr. J, the peds. surgeon here in FL wanted us to talk to a new doc - pediatric infectious disease specialist - who had recently been hired and was from NY. The surgeon thought that for sure he would be knowledgable about Lyme.

At his insistence, my husband called the doc and told him about Max and chronic Lyme. The doctor actually said that he didn't have much experience with Lyme, because they don't have much in New York....the ticks don't seem to cross over from Connecticut very often.

Amazing and sad.

~Nancy


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lou, thanks for the article.

Kara & others in Alabama, you aren't the only state with government officials making "strange comments."

The Epidemiologist & Director - Bureau of Disease Control in South Carolina wrote a letter to The State Newspaper in response to MY letter ( www.sc-lyme.org Click SC News).
The following is a direct quote:

"Though Lyme disease results from the bite of infected deer ticks, the Southeastern deer tick prefers to feed on lizards (which do not carry the Lyme disease bacterium), rather than deer."

When hunters have been told this, they use descriptive words that I can not post here - not fittin' for a lady to talk like that!!

Now the big questions in my mind are -
1)How many ticks did they interview in this study that they can conclude "deer ticks PREFER lizards" in South Carolina?

2)How many warm blooded animals did they check for ticks that they could conclude that "deer ticks PREFER lizards" in SC?

I've had hunters tell me that some deer have hundreds, maybe thousands, of ticks.
If that many ticks are on deer, then the lizards must be really loaded down with them since this study says "ticks PREFER lizards."

So, so sad because so many people in SC are like Stephanie Ingram.

A respected medical authority (who I won't name) stated recently that Lyme disease is reaching epidemic proportions in the Carolinas.

The situation is frustrating, depressing, maddening, infuriating!!!

The "powers that be" are preventing so many people from getting a diagnosis and proper treatment.

When will it end?

I hope I live to see the day that the medical community will be able to recognize, diagnose, & treat Tick-Borne Diseases adequately.


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1. Kinsey AA, Durden LA, Oliver JH Jr.
Tick infestations of birds in coastal Georgia and Alabama. J Parasitol. 2000 Apr;86(2):251-4.
PMID: 10780541 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

2: Wright JC, Chambers M, Mullen GR, Swango LJ, D'Andrea GH, Boyce AJ. Seroprevalence of Borrelia burgdorferi in dogs in Alabama, USA. Prev Vet Med. 1997 Jul;31(1-2):127-31.
PMID: 9234431 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

3: Luckhart S, Mullen GR, Durden LA, Wright JC. Borrelia sp. in ticks recovered from white-tailed deer in Alabama.
J Wildl Dis. 1992 Jul;28(3):449-52.
PMID: 1512879 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

4: Magnarelli LA, Oliver JH Jr, Hutcheson HJ, Boone JL, Anderson JF. Antibodies to Borrelia burgdorferi in rodents in the eastern and southern United States.
J Clin Microbiol. 1992 Jun;30(6):1449-52.
PMID: 1624561 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

5: Durden LA, Luckhart S, Mullen GR, Smith S. Tick infestations of white-tailed deer in Alabama. J Wildl Dis. 1991 Oct;27(4):606-14. PMID: 1758026 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

6: Luckhart S, Mullen GR, Wright JC.
Etiologic agent of Lyme disease, Borrelia burgdorferi, detected in ticks (Acari: Ixodidae) collected at a focus in Alabama.
J Med Entomol. 1991 Sep;28(5):652-7.
PMID: 1941933 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

7: McBryde RR.
Lyme disease in Alabama.
Ala Med. 1990 May;59(11):24-7. No abstract available.
PMID: 2375275 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

8: Woernle CH.
Surveillance for Lyme disease in Alabama.
Ala Med. 1989 Apr;58(10):19-20.
PMID: 2729028 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

9: Mullen GR, Piesman J. Serologically substantiated case of Lyme disease and potential tick vectors in Alabama.
Ala J Med Sci. 1987 Jul;24(3):306-7. No abstract available.
PMID: 3661896 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

HERE ARE LINKS TO WRITE LETTERS, if anyone wants to try to deal with invincible ignorance like this:

[email protected]
http://www.al.com/birminghamnews/

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Hey Lou check this out:

proof of lyme in your area

Sent


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TINCUP, KARA, CBB & EVERYONE WHO RESPONED TO THIS ARTICLE,

I had a very intense day and as I read these responses I LAUGHED SO HARD I ALMOST FELL OUT OF MY SEAT!

THANKS for taking a VERY SAD SITUATION FOR THE FOLKS IN AL AND ALL OVER THE COUNTRY WHO ARE EXPERIENCING THIS MADNESS AND GIVING US A GOOD LAUGH!

You all deserve a journalistic award for your satire!

To re-cap:

..." Normally we hear there are none of "those" ticks in AL. Now it is there are none of "those" mice in AL.

I am just so glad...now I know I dont need to worry about West Nile Virus since I have never been to Egypt. And I dont have to worry about AIDS because I have never been to Africa!" - Kara

" Just like Florida! OH NO! Micky Mouse can't have Lyme disease! We would go broke if we lost all the dollars the tourists brought in...

Or ... another question... who is paying this dude the big bucks to keep this under cover?...

...I wish all of us could put on deer, mouse, and tick costumes and line the borders of the state with pickett signs that say...

"ANYONE WITH LYME STAY OUT OF OUR STATE OR YOU WILL BE IN BIG TROUBLE"..." - Tincup

""Though Lyme disease results from the bite of infected deer ticks, the Southeastern deer tick prefers to feed on lizards (which do not carry the Lyme disease bacterium), rather than deer."

When hunters have been told this, they use descriptive words that I can not post here - not fittin' for a lady to talk like that!!

Now the big questions in my mind are -
1)How many ticks did they interview in this study that they can conclude "deer ticks PREFER lizards" in South Carolina?

2)How many warm blooded animals did they check for ticks that they could conclude that "deer ticks PREFER lizards" in SC?

I've had hunters tell me that some deer have hundreds, maybe thousands, of ticks.
If that many ticks are on deer, then the lizards must be really loaded down with them since this study says "ticks PREFER lizards."
- cbb

Can you IMAGINE being a tick and trying to bite a lizard???

Honestly, this was ALL TOO funny!

We NEED HUMOR at a time like this because the whole world has gone mad!

Lou, thanks for posting this!

This is just proof that we are dealing with deliberate refusal to treat Lyme disease in this country. At THAT level (USDL) it has nothing to do with ignorance! It has to do with pay-offs and not wanting to bankrupt insurance companies!

At the end of the day it is all about MONEY!! PERIOD!!!

I KNOW... I am way too intense, but I DID APPRECIATE THE LAUGH!!!

Peace,

Magdalena


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Magdalena,
So glad you enjoyed the laugh.
As they say - sometimes we have to laugh to keep from crying.

Well, it's a "crying shame" that all the evidence about Lyme is being ignored. Patients are suffering unnecessarily. It's pathetic!!!

It's been said, "the dogs are getting better treatment for Lyme than the people."

The list of links lou found about Alabama tell the story.
There are dozens that tell the same thing for South Carolina. Some studies are by the same people that did the work in Alabama.

When we talked with the Director of Disease Control in SC (quoted deer ticks on lizards study), we quoted studies that found Lyme bacteria in various parts of the state.
He did admit "We have Lyme disease in the environment, but we don't have proof it's in the people."

A well respected medical authority was quoted recently:
"Lyme disease is becoming an epidemic in the Carolinas."

Yes, the "almighty dollar" is to blame, but I also think that "big old EGO PROBLEMS" are also to blame.

So, so sad.


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I tend to agree that it is probaly more ego than anything else. If they admit it's lyme then they would have to admit they had been (huh!) wrong for so long, then they would have an illness that they don't know how to deal with on top of it, a double whammy to rock solid egos, it is SOOOO much easier to blame the patients and say there is nothing wrong with them etc,,, well we know what they tell us.


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