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hobokinite
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I was looking for Chlorella Growth factor and found NDF -- sounds like a good combo of everything we need. yey, WOw, not cheap! What do you think about it???
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Mo
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I have found this helpful..
to try and manage this in my situation.
http://www.magneticclay.com/


The clay pulls metals out into the bath. Some still circulate for the day following, and detox tea and rest seems to aleviate that.

Check out the site, there is allot of really good info there..
I see the need to also replenish good minerals after.

I had allot of metals removed, visibly and in how I felt.

also wondering what GiGi thinks..



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Hobo, you will find enough info about NDF to read for a week on www.healthydetox.org. Some great information. Many people have done NDF and still end up seeing another physician! It's great stuff - but I would not suggest to try it on your own for very long. Heavy metal detoxing is usually not done in a few months. It took us probably most of our life to accumulate it.

Dr. K. uses NDF when it tests with ART. Even if it tests, he does not use it constantly, because the metals are located in different areas of the body which requires a different agent to remove it. And beause NDF detoxes mainly via the kidney, and many patients cannot handle that. Anyone that is heavy metal toxic is not a healthy person to start with. So great care is necessary.

He uses all these agents by alternating them to avoid becoming allergic to any and as the body requires them by ART. It can happen that after a month of a detox phase, upon testing, viruses or parasites, show up that need to be addressed. So the emphasis is on that. The onion layer approach. You do as the body reveals what it needs. Otherwise there is only a very sick sick patient that gets sicker as it goes along.

That's my explanation why I never suffered what most people call a herxheimer. Nobody has to suffer like that if it is done right.

Further, if an agent starts to block the autonomic nervous system, all bets are off and nothing works. The patient goes backward. The best medicine can block the ANS.

Heavy metal detox (mercury, gold, arsenic, lead, aluminum, etc.) is not a do-it-yourself job. Everyone takes a different approach and it needs a different agent and treatment if it is in the brain, where most of us have it with neuro symptoms. It takes a different agent when it is in the connective tissue. First you clean up the connective tissue; only then follows the detox from inside the cells, the brain, etc.


To Mo, if the magnetic clay bath would get the mercury and other metals out of the brain, where most of us with neurological symptoms have it, I would open a spa for clay bath. I am sure you release some toxins. What they really are is another question. Testing substances for mercury content is a big problem. That's why so many lab tests are inconclusive, and research is so inadequate. It evaporates in a minute, we can't see it, we can't smell it, and we can't taste it. We can only feel it - it slowly kills us.

I tried to avoid anything with the word teeth in it. I would not have been able to get over Lyme if I had not finally addressed my teeth - mercury and dental infections. Mercury and dental infections came first; then Lyme and co-infections and everything that goes with these. All of them together just about killed me. I can truly say the same for my husband. He definitely would not be alive.
He is doing wonderful.

I wish you and your children the best.

Take care.



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"Further, if an agent starts to block the autonomic nervous system, all bets are off and nothing works. The patient goes backward. The best medicine can block the ANS."

Thanks for the info, Gigi, but please explain this quote. Scary!


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"Further, if an agent starts to block the autonomic nervous system, all bets are off and nothing works. The patient goes backward. The best medicine can block the ANS."

Hobo, anything you put in your mouth, be it the best medicine; anything you wear; the best and most expensive jewelry; everything that is in your energy field - can cause an allergic reaction. If that happens, your Autonomic Nervous System is blocked. The electric connections are interrupted, like a lamp with a loose wire that you have to kick to light up. You are allergic to the substance.

Dr. K. discovered one time, way back when I was still very sick, with ART testing that I was totally blocked. (A person cannot be muscle tested when blocked. The body cannot give a true response. That's why "department store muscle testing" doesn't work.

He had a tough time figuring out what caused me to be so totally blocked. Thank God my husband was with me; he was then still well. I had to take all my clothes off for a bit, just wrapped in a non-bleached cotton organic muslin sheet! and put them back on piece by piece. I blocked up again when I put my bra back on and again when I put my silk blouse on.

He sent me home with the sheet wrapped around me, and asked me to come back later with several sets of clothing that he could test me for to wear for the next few weeks. I did. That holds true for abx and all meds.
Whenever an abx out of the half dozen he tested blocked me -- that was definitely not the one he prescribed.

As I got rid of more and more toxins, these allergies gradually cleared. I do not suffer from a single one today.

So, if you want to heal, make sure you are not allergic or incompatible with anything.
The Pulse Test I posted about recently might help you somewhat if you do not have anybody to muscle test you.

In that regard, be careful with wrist watches. Most sick people are allergic to their watch. Do not wear cell phones or these beepers on your body. You could end up with back problems and much more.

Take care.


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Gigi-

I love your posts, so very educational. You are one of the most helpful here.

I JUST took off my watch. It has a large silver Indian made band and is old. I wonder what kinds of metal could be in it beside silver? I don't wear it in the summer and I feel so much better. I have been blaming my yearly winter down turn on the cold. I have been wearing fthis band for several years before I got sick

I never thought it as a source of toxicity.

Thank you.

Mel


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Gigi-

I love your posts, so very educational. You are one of the most helpful here.

I JUST took off my watch. It has a large silver Indian made band and is old. I wonder what kinds of metal could be in it beside silver? I don't wear it in the summer and I feel so much better. I have been blaming my yearly winter down turn on the cold. I have been wearing fthis band for several years before I got sick

I never thought it as a source of toxicity.

Thank you.

Mel


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Gigi,

Does chlorella interfere with abx, or make it less effective if you take it before meals, and then you take meds with those same meals?

I tried to order CHL growth factor from Dr K, but no one is ever there, and their answering system is screwed up.

TT


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