Some call this a herx, others a flare, others just misery. Hey, call it Bob for all I care, just thought I would stock up on things THAT WORKED for you for your symptom flares while on Abx. Man, I hope SOMETHING worked for SOMEBODY...

I dunno what to tell you. I tried pretty much everything, from coffee enemas to detox to epsom salts baths. Often the thing that would alleviate a herx one time wouldn't particularly help the next time; I never figured it out.

One thing that really did make me feel better, albeit for short periods of time, was the paraffin foot bath. I have no explanation, but I'd feel better all over after I soaked my feetsies. I got a very basic paraffin bath on sale for about $20, and I use a mixture of peppermint oil, canning parafin and mineral oil rather than the very expensive spa parafin.

Esgic really worked well for me for pain control. Sleeping helped a lot -- when I finally caved and started taking temazepam, I realized how much sleep deprivation had exacerbated my misery and depression.

Detox tea (gallons) helped, I think; also psyllium and bentonite clay for gut detox; also liver flushes--I started doing them regularly when I was taking Mepron, and I noticed a big improvement the next day.

Just recently I took a 2-day oral abx break after 10 days of tinidazole misery. Now that I've started back on it, I'm having a much easier time. So now I'm a proponent of backing off the abx if things get too awful.

Very gentle massage helped during the first few months of mepron treatment, when my legs really hurt. Nothing helped with that headache, though.

I think the steam sauna helps, but when I'm feeling herxy I don't stay in it very long -- just long enough to work up a little sweat and start feeling weak(10 min or less). The first couple of weeks I used it I felt worse; then I started feeling a lot better. When I feel good, I can stay in it 20 minutes or more. My husband, who is achier than I am, says it really helps his muscle and joint pain.

Since the time I did a really serious yeast treatment, I haven't had a truly terrible herx (although I've had some pretty unpleasant ones. Just not the "I'd-shoot-myself-if-I-could-see-straight-enough" kind). I'm no longer on the strict yeast control diet, although I still take tons of probiotic and don't eat a lot of sugar etc.

Perhaps my little nephews can rustle me up said frog... something near Chernobyl perhaps?

Anyway, for me, its all about weakness. What I call "core weakness" in which it feels as if I've got not a single functioning mitochondria. Happens with every antibiotic they put me on. Each day gets a little worse until I'm so near death that the docs pull the drugs. Nice, eh?

So, I'll try just about anything. But not the fat thingee! I've lost about 30 pounds through all this and I barely weigh 100lbs now with wet clothes? (Don't you all weigh yourselves with wet clothes?) Couldn't find a fat cell on me if you tried....

So far, the regular doc, the LLMD (by phone) guy, and the internal med/alternative MD (just met yesterday) have all recommended steroids (low dose, alt day schedule) to deal with this. I'm not opposed to that at all, but I just want to stuff my bag full of tricks in the hope of alleviating the impending weakness/lack of mitochondria....

Perhaps when the board is working properly again, more folks will chime in...

JMHO, but I think the steroids are a temporary fix and probably not helpful in your healing journey.

Also, my heart raced and my BP was extremely high while on steroids. Don't know if that was coincidental.

A gallon and a half a day. Distilled water gives the toxins a way out of the body. It helped me tremendously.