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To quote part of an earlier herx article posted by lymester (thanks if you see this lymester, you posted very important herx info):
17. Antihistamines. No. No. No. No. No. And most especially not when on one of the cyclene family of antibiotics.
Your immune system is one of the biggest factors in your recovery, one of the big superpowers in the war against disease.
The antibiotics will kill some percentage of the bacteria each cycle while your immune system kills off the ones that were weakened.
Together, the antibiotics and your body create a team to defeat the bacteria. Antihistimines, like Benadryl, turn off your immune system!
All they do is make sure that you suffer longer!
Further, the cyclene family of antibiotics doesn't actually kill the bacteria, but rather just stops them from growing and relies on your immune system to kill them.
My 10 yr old daughter was put on amox yesterday by her lld. This is her first abx.
She has seasonal allergies(honeysuckle is driving us all mad in charlotte), food, tree, grass allergies.
Do I need to discontinue the antihistamine and just mostly keep her indoors? Sounds like it according to this.
Is there any natural alternative for allergies for kids? I used to take alphalfa tabs years ago (Shaklee brand) and it seemed to help some.
Any other suggestions? Should I get her back on allergy shots, would that harm or help her?
Thanks in advance.
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lymeHerx001
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Antihistimines, like Benadryl, turn off your immune system!
Is true?
This is hoorrible news,, ive been taking a 24 anti-histamine daily for a long time.
I used to use it occasionally and now since ive had MCS and vertigo i take them to dry myself up.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by ivebinlymed2: [B]lymeHerx001, you can look at the full article, if you haven't already at:
trailsgirl's medical topic on the first or maybe second page by now? [QUOTE]
that doesn't seem to explain it...my doctor hasn't thought it's a problem, but then most antihistimines don't work at all on me anyway.
I've been taking atarax and singular and then also doing allergy desensitization both shots and sublingual. Most are much improved after a year of treatment. Also I highly recommend a good hepa filter (make sure it's an appropriate size for the room) and the dyson vacuum (hepa standard) to help keep indoors free of allergins. (And it's a damn fine vacuum if a bit pricy)
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I should check it out with my LLD. My daughter is on such a low dose of Amox already. 400 mg/ 2 x daily
I just want her to get the full benefit.
We tried a chiro in the fall early on before the disease really started to unravel. The chiro suggested she go off allergy shots.
She said that it had been s 4 years or more and that anything past that was of no use.
It seemed that after she was off the shots her lyme symptoms surfaced. I have been looking for a correlation every since then.
I called the allergist to see if going off shots ever caused a systemic reaction with rheumy symptoms. He said no just the norm sneezing and runny nose etc.
That was before we ever suspected lyme. Now I see that must have taken a toll on her immune system.
Not only was it fighting her disease, but by going off the shots it had to fight the allergens on its on too. That would explain it wouldn't it?
Thanks for your replies.
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quote:Originally posted by ivebinlymed2: It seemed that after she was off the shots her lyme symptoms surfaced. I have been looking for a correlation every since then.
That was before we ever suspected lyme. Now I see that must have taken a toll on her immune system.
Not only was it fighting her disease, but by going off the shots it had to fight the allergens on its on too. That would explain it wouldn't it?
Thanks for your replies.
Yeah I think any extra toll on our systems causes flares...for me it was stress mostly (and that still doesn't help)..and of course seasonal allergies-last year before I started treatment for pollens, I was bedridden in agonizing muscle pain for a couple days during the worst of the juniper pollen days. thankfully the treatment is helping and it's been a little lower pollen count this year.
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I have had a machine called an ionizer made by Living Air for most of the time I had lyme. I never take anything for allergies. I run it all year long. The grid gets washed once a month or so. I bought it on line.
I started getting allergies in the late 1990's. I believe now my first exposure to lyme was in 1997, perhaps this is what triggered the allergies.
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Anyone try allergy drops from an allergist? The shots make me nervous, even though my LLMD said it was OK to get them.
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I had tremendous benefit from allergy shots. Enough that I no longer have seasonal allergies.
Allergy shots are not like getting a drug or other medication. It's actually very similar to alternative medicine. You get a shot with a little bit of what you are allergic to, so over time, you build up a tolerance. It's not instant relief, but I haven't had an antihistamine in over a year.
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My allergies have improved with lyme treatment.
I was listening to a radio show on allergies and the ionic breeze was criticized for contaminating the air with ozone.
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The ionic breeze actually has one of the LOWEST outputs of ozone.
Very safe.
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Netwrok Chiropractic got me off a daily dose or two of my asthma inhaler. A Netwrok Chiropractor does not crunch bones. He/she uses a more Osteopathic or Cranial Sacral approach. If you can find a Network Chirtopractor, try it. I am starting Cranial Sacral Therapy tomorrow. Good practitioners are hard to find.
Another thing you could try is Zi-Cam. I don't own stock in the company. It really helps me breathe through the night (the nasal spray). It is homeopathic. Also, simple breathing strips help at night.
A good snort of warm water and saline (Real Salt) up each nostril morning and night will clear out the gunk. A netty pot is probably more civilized than snorting and hacking into the sink if you have housemates.
These are things I use because I don't want to be on Benadryl or Claratin any more. Haven't needed them so far this season.
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Ok, lets try this again. Seems the Post Reply function is not working.
Things to try for allergies:
Network Chiropractic or Cranial Sacral Therapy: Network Chiropractic is non-bone crunching. It is more Osteopathic. It got me off of my asthma inhaler that I had been on for about 30 years.
Zi-Cam: Homeopathic product that can keep the nasal passages clear. I use the nasal spray.
Breathing strips: Can help you breathe through the night.
Saline solution: Snort water and Real Salt up each nostril and blow/spit the water out. Do this morning and evening. A netty pot works well too.
These things have kept me off of Benadryl and Claratin.
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Hey beachcomber. You are right something funky is going on with the posting.
I just posted and it was as if it knocked your two posts into place, because you were not there before I posted and the time was 9:00PM something on your posts right after I posted at 12:01AM.
Does the time corespond to differing time-zones? Or is this all based on Eastern Standard time? Just wondering? Weird
Anyway maybe I am seeing things and just need to go to bed! I will check the posts tomorrow.
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Aniek
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ivebinlymed2,
By the way, the correlation with your daughter getting allergy shots and Lyme may have just been an activation of the immune system.
The thing with chiropractors is making sure you have a good one. It's the same with all doctors and physical therapists. The good ones are wonderful, but there are many who don't really know what to do when it comes to people with a complex illness.
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I've, I was referring to allergy drops that go under the tounge. The supposedly contain allergen antigens to desensitize the imm system. I'm curious if anyone has tried them?
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I think you have to make sure the proper amount of Ozone is put into the air. I set mine a little lower than recommended.
Ozone is of course present in the air anyway. It is what gives the air the fresh scent by the O atoms connecting to the particals in the air and then falling to the ground. I'm NOT good at chemistry so this may have been a tale and not fact at all.
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Limelighter, Oh, no wonder you were freaked out. My daughter is highly allergic to some of her allergens. Many are a 4+ on a scale from 1-4.
That might just put her into shock. I haven't heard of sublingual allergy drops. I will ask her allergist on June 1st when we go back. I will try to let you know what he says.
He is a pretty cool guy.
Tincup, makes you glad you moved, huh?
I don't know which is worse being up north where there is a lot of lyme and more than a few docs who know how to treat it or being down south with fewer cases, but nary (there ya a good ole southern word) a good LLD for miles.
Mel, thanks for your input on air purifiers.
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